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What was the date and or year of the founding of the Seventh Day Adventists ???

Do SDA’s honestly think Christendom has been in error for over a thousand years waiting on them to set christians straight regarding worshiping on Sunday ??? 😉 I know they have other things they despise about the Catholic church as well as other christians but I have kept this thread down to one area of contention…

Thanks for you help…
 
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What was the date and or year of the founding of the Seventh Day Adventists ???

Do SDA’s honestly think Christendom has been in error for over a thousand years waiting on them to set christians straight regarding worshiping on Sunday ??? 😉 I know they have other things they despise about the Catholic church as well as other christians but I have kept this thread down to one area of contention…

Thanks for you help…
Catholic.com:
The Seventh-Day Adventist church traces its roots to American preacher William Miller (1782–1849), a Baptist who predicted the Second Coming would occur between March 21, 1843, and March 21, 1844. Because he and his followers proclaimed Christ’s imminent advent, they were known as “Adventists.”
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Also this might help: How old is your church?
 
SDA believe that they are the “remnant” church. They belief that there have been those who have kept the Sabbath all along. This is documented in the book by Ellen White called “The Great Controversy”. In the book she claims that the Waldenes kept the Sabbath for 1000 years. However, the book is incorrect historically and the Waldenes never were Sabbath keepers. (They wore sandles and the term was misinterpreted to mean “Sabbath” . )

SDAs believe that Ellen White was a prophet and they believe the books she plagarized are messages from God on how to interpret the bible.
 
I think they and the Jehovah’s Witnesses used to be part of Miller’s movement then they split off into two different factions after the “Great Dissapointment”. The SDA’a and the JW’s.

Ken
 
They have a famousl tradition of medicine. I lived for years in Takoma Park, Maryland, which at that time had their world headquarters, and they had an accredited and highly regardeed hospital. But if you had an intimate problem, it didn’t take long to realize that they are as bizarre as the Jehovah’s Witnesses in their own way. On the surface, they all are MDs and RNs and practice allopathic medicine (the normal kind) but underneath they just wish that every sick person they don’t morally approve of would go away because it’s his own fault because he’s sinful. I might trust them to lance a boil, but if had an STD, I’d sooner go to a witch doctor. And their idea of dealing with mornig sickness resembles what happens to Rosemary in Rosemary’s Baby. A very clever cult, not a denomination.
 
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What was the date and or year of the founding of the Seventh Day Adventists ???

Do SDA’s honestly think Christendom has been in error for over a thousand years waiting on them to set christians straight regarding worshiping on Sunday ??? 😉 I know they have other things they despise about the Catholic church as well as other christians but I have kept this thread down to one area of contention…

Thanks for you help…
It started with William Millar around 1844 but, didn’t really kick up untill Mrs. Ellen G. White came about with whom they regard as a Phropehtess, having numerous visions. It is claimed by some to be false and that the books she wrote were mere products of plagerism. I have not looked it up sufficently to say anything with confidence on the matter. I would assume that they are false if they countradict what the (Catholic) church teaches.

They beleive in the remenint church. That the real church had gone underground, being persecuted by the Catholic Church. One paster I know quoted the Albagensians as one. But, there was always an underground church. (Since they weren’t Adventist by any streach of the imagination and they don’t beleive that anyone holds the “keys” I don’t see why it would matter.)

I know a little more (as I used to hang out with them quite a bit and have an uncle who is one) so, I know that you said that you would hold off on any other statements, so I will hold of with you. Till next thread, peace.
 
Do SDA’s honestly think Christendom has been in error for over a thousand years waiting on them to set christians straight regarding worshiping on Sunday ???
ASK AND YOU SHALL RECIEVE…

72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:Y6zKHNg_0ukJ:theonetruegod.blogspot.com/2005/02/catholic-church-admits-to-sabbath.html+catholic+church+admits+to+changing+the+sabbath&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Catholic Quotes Affirming that particular Bible FACT and TRUTH:
"No such law in the Bible “Nowhere in the bible do we find that Jesus or the apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath day, that is, the seventh day of the week, Saturday. Today, most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the [Roman] church outside the bible.”
Catholic Virginian, Oct. 3, 1947.
“You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctified.”
James Cardinal Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (1917 ed.), pp.72,73.
“If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.”
Albert Smith, chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the cardinal in a letter of Feb. 10, 1920.
"Question: “Have you not any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?” Answer: “Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her - she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority”
Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed. p. 174.
“Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holydays? Answer: By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.”
Henry Tuberville, An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine (1833 approbation), p.58 (Same statement in Manual of Christian Doctrine, ed. by Daniel Ferris [1916 ed.], p.67).
“The Catholic Church,… by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.”
The Catholic Mirror, official organ of Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893.
Is Saturday the 7th day according to the Bible and the 10 Commandments? I answer yes.
Is Sunday the first day of the week and did the Church change the 7th day, Saturday, for Sunday, the 1st day? I answer yes.
Did Christ change the day? I answer no! Faithfully yours, J. Cardinal Gibbons" Gibbons’ autograph letter.
 
<<Do SDA’s honestly think Christendom has been in error for over a thousand years waiting on them to set christians straight regarding worshiping on Sunday ???>>

Actually, one of the strains that fed into the movment that became SDA was Seventh Day Baptists.

However, such people are blissfully unware of three things:
  1. The Sabbath commandment was NEVER obligatory on Gentiles.
  2. The Sabbath commandment, as originally given, was not about worship, but resting from work–an enforced rest that appplied to servants (shock)), slaves, and even farm animals.
  3. Services were held several times DAILY in the Temple and later in the Synagogues (which did not come into existence until after the Exile). To this day, Orthodox, Conservative and many Reform synagogues have TWICE DAILY services.
Of course, the enforced leisure of the Sabbath permitted longer services than on the rest of the week.

During the first three centuries, Gentile Christians had no scruples against treating Sunday (and Saturday) like any ordinary work day AFTER they had attended the Eucharist, which was held in the wee hours of Sunday.

So you see, it wasn’t that nasty ole pope feller–and they never say WHICH pope–who “changed Saturday to Sunday.”

One other thing: In SDA literature, when they say “Spirit of Prophecy”, they do not mean the Holy Spirit. They mean the ravings of their false prophetess Ellen G. White (whose name adds up to 666, btw).
 
It’s interesting how these “quotes” from supposed Catholic sources cannot be verified! Not a one comes from the Catechism or even the Vatican, for that matter…

Did the Catholic church change the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday? Yes, because the early Christian church was Catholic (even tho the name “Catholic” didn’t appear until Ignatius of Antioch used it in a letter to describe the “universal” Christian church in the 100s). It happened during the time of the apostles which is evident when reading about the Lord’s Day as being the 1st day of the week in both Acts and Revelation.

Do Adventists celebrate the Lord’s Day? :rolleyes:
 
It’s interesting how these “quotes” from supposed Catholic sources cannot be verified! Not a one comes from the Catechism or even the Vatican, for that matter…

Did the Catholic church change the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday? Yes, because the early Christian church was Catholic (even tho the name “Catholic” didn’t appear until Ignatius of Antioch used it in a letter to describe the “universal” Christian church in the 100s).
It happened during the time of the apostles which is evident when reading about the Lord’s Day as being the 1st day of the week in both Acts and Revelation.

Do Adventists celebrate the Lord’s Day? :rolleyes:Ever look at the Greek text of the New Testament? Here’s what Acts 9:31 says. “ἡ μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ᾽ ὁλης της ιουδαιας και γαλιλαιας και σαμαρειας ειχεν ειρηνην οικοδομουμενη και πορευομενη τω φοβω του κυριου, και τη παρακλησει του ἁγιου πνευματος επληθυνοντο.” The underlined words are ekklesia katholos…Catholic Church. The verse translates as “the church throughout all” in most English versions. 😉
 
Ever look at the Greek text of the New Testament? Here’s what Acts 9:31 says. “ἡ μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ᾽ ὁλης της ιουδαιας και γαλιλαιας και σαμαρειας ειχεν ειρηνην οικοδομουμενη και πορευομενη τω φοβω του κυριου, και τη παρακλησει του ἁγιου πνευματος επληθυνοντο.” The underlined words are ekklesia katholos…Catholic Church. The verse translates as “the church throughout all” in most English versions. 😉
Very cool!
 
I also would add the saying of the second Pope (Isaac the Syrian?) when the was thrown into the lions in the Colisseum. He also used de words Catholic Church as Jesus Church. Being Catholic is to know history.
 
They have a famousl tradition of medicine. I lived for years in Takoma Park, Maryland, which at that time had their world headquarters, and they had an accredited and highly regardeed hospital. But if you had an intimate problem, it didn’t take long to realize that they are as bizarre as the Jehovah’s Witnesses in their own way. On the surface, they all are MDs and RNs and practice allopathic medicine (the normal kind) but underneath they just wish that every sick person they don’t morally approve of would go away because it’s his own fault because he’s sinful. I might trust them to lance a boil, but if had an STD, I’d sooner go to a witch doctor. And their idea of dealing with mornig sickness resembles what happens to Rosemary in Rosemary’s Baby. A very clever cult, not a denomination.
I’ve been around a lot of SDA’s in the medical profession (near one of their centers). My spouse is in the medical profession, has practiced with them for many years, and taught at one of their universities (and is Catholic). I do not think they are quite as bad as you say. They are somewhat impersonal and quirky, for sure, but I do think that they do the best job they can in terms of medicine. In general, they do lack some compassion; though there are notable exceptions.
 
Ever look at the Greek text of the New Testament? Here’s what Acts 9:31 says. “ἡ μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ᾽ ὁλης της ιουδαιας και γαλιλαιας και σαμαρειας ειχεν ειρηνην οικοδομουμενη και πορευομενη τω φοβω του κυριου, και τη παρακλησει του ἁγιου πνευματος επληθυνοντο.” The underlined words are ekklesia katholos…Catholic Church. The verse translates as “the church throughout all” in most English versions. 😉
Yup! looks Greek to me!

Sad part? Those could be “wingding” fonts for all I know:blush:
 
Delraek,

re: “It happened during the time of the apostles which is evident when reading about the Lord’s Day as being the 1st day of the week in both Acts and Revelation.”

I’m not aware of any scripture that refers to the 1st day of the week as the “Lord’s Day”. What do you have in mind?
 
Delraek,

re: “It happened during the time of the apostles which is evident when reading about the Lord’s Day as being the 1st day of the week in both Acts and Revelation.”

I’m not aware of any scripture that refers to the 1st day of the week as the “Lord’s Day”. What do you have in mind?
How will these do? These all come from Scripture Catholic:

Isaiah 1:13 - God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath.

Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus’ resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.

Acts 20:7 - this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the “first day of the week.” Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.

1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches “on the first day of the week,” which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday.

Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says “let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath.”

2 Thess. 2:15 - we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

Heb. 4:8-9 - regarding the day of rest, if Joshua had given rest, God would not later speak of “another day,” which is Sunday, the new Sabbath. Sunday is the first day of the week and the first day of the new creation brought about by our Lord’s resurrection, which was on Sunday.

Heb. 7:12 - when there is a change in the priesthood, there is a change in the law as well. Because we have a new Priest and a new sacrifice, we also have a new day of worship, which is Sunday.

Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord’s day, the new day of rest in Christ.
Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.

How 'bout some people who lived it? These are early on but there are more if you’d like…

If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s Day, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death–whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master." *Ignatius, To the Magnesians, 9:1 (A.D. 110). *

“The seventh day, therefore, is proclaimed a rest–abstraction from ills–preparing for the Primal Day,[The Lord’s Day] our true rest; which, in truth, is the first creation of light, in which all things are viewed and possessed. From this day the first wisdom and knowledge illuminate us. For the light of truth–a light true, casting no shadow, is the Spirit of God indivisibly divided to all, who are sanctified by faith, holding the place of a luminary, in order to the knowledge of real existences. By following Him, therefore, through our whole life, we become impossible; and this is to rest.” Clement of Alexandria, Stromata, 6:16 (A.D. 202).
 
DianJo,

re: “How will these do?”

With all due respect, none of those verses refer to the first day of the week as the “Lord’s Day”.
 
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