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i’ve been a catholic my whole life and i’ve always been fascinated and touched by our teachings. for about eight months i have been with my boyfriend, who is a seventh day adventist. for the first 6 months, we’ve avoided discussing our religious beliefs. as we have grown more closer and serious, our religious beliefs is something we have started to bring up in our discussions. whenever i listen to him, it is so hard for me to continue on with the discussion. all i hear about is how they hate what we belief and the history of the catholic church. he doesnt seem to have any respect for our faith. he always claims that there are so many things that our church will not teach us. he always claims that the world is going to end, i know that being a catholic, i was taught not to treat others that way. whenever i listen to him about this topic, all i hear is hatred. other than religion, we get along great and i feel closer to him. remember that he strongly believes what he believes. its when we start talking about it, i begin to second guess myself. why exactly do they believe this way? why do they learn about the catholic church is such a negative light? and what should i expect in the long run?
 
The Journey Home - EWTN Prime Programming
Dr. Beverly Whelton, former Seventh-Day Adventist, now Catholic, speaks about her conversion to the Catholic Church. May 23, The Journey Home, with Marcus Grodi.
download.rbn.com/ewtn/g2ewtn/download/odaudio/jh_05232005.rm

“WILL THE ‘REAL JESUS’ PLEASE STAND?”
Ellen White- Jesus is Michael the Archangel

Seventh-Day Adventist to Roman Catholic
sda2rc.com/
en.allexperts.com/q/Seventh-Day-Adventists-2318/Ellen-White-5.htm
knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Millerite

1845 The Seventhday Adventist movement, guided by Ellen White, develops her doctrine of the ‘mark of the Beast’ as Sunday-worship under a papal Antichrist, in explanation of Christ’s ‘delayed’ Return with a theory of a change in Christ’s Heavenly ministry in 1844 AD. The United States of America is damned as the ‘False Prophet’ of the book of Revelation

1915
The numbers of the “beast” and the men who flub them
Our Sunday Visitor explaining that the 1915 remark regarding the alleged inscription on the pope’s mitre was an unintentional and unfortunate error that should not be used as “evidence” to support the Vicarius Filii Dei argument. A copy of this letter is being sent to the Seventh-Day Adventist headquarters, demanding that they stop using this episode as some sort of "proof
envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.5/goingthedistance.html

In his latest Endtimes Issues newsletter (#134,) Samuele Bacchiocchi, Adventist scholar, criticises the popular Adventist tradition (as he calls it) that claims that the pope’s tiara has the words “Vicarius Filii Dei” written on it, and that these words add up to 666.

Bacchiocchi says:

Another example of the blinding effect of tradition is the popular interpretation of the number of the beast “666” [Rev 13:18], as VICARIUS FILII DEI, a title allegedly used by the Pope on his Tiara-a claim that has been proven to be wrong. In a recent Sabbath School Quarterly devoted to the Book of Revelation, Dr. Angel Rodriguez, Director of BRI, acknowledged that the traditional interpretation, though popular, lacks textual and historical support. Instead, he proposed the figurative interpretation of “666” as the symbol of incompletion, imperfection and rebellion. Concerned Adventists expressed their bitter disappointment with the new figurative interpretation of 666. They viewed it as a rejection of the traditional interpretation developed by our pioneers.
 
If one travels east to the United States from Israel, paying attention to the sun setting at the end of one’s sixth day, this person would find themselves keeping the Sabbath on what we call Friday in the United States.

scriptures do not address the international dateline.
Scripture addresses the setting of the sun at the end of the sixth day, and for one who travels east instead of west to the United States will find themselves observing the Sabbath on Friday, approximately 14 hours earlier than it begins in Israel, as contrasted to keeping the Sabbath approximately 10 hours after it begins in Israel, should one travel west from Israel

So why are there no Sabbath keepers keeping Friday as the Sabbath? The only reason is that it is a matter of consensus. Do people have the right to change or alter what God commands through consensus? No.

This is what the post-exilic Rabbis did with much of the law, and Jesus upbraided them for it, telling them that they had made the word of God of no effect through their traditions.

The tradition among Sabbath keepers in the United States is to keep the Sabbath based on traveling west from Israel.

Is there confusion here? Absolutely.
Is God the author of confusion? Absolutely not.

The resolution to the cognitive dissonance is simple;

God never commanded anyone other than Israel to observe the Sabbath, and Israel was a nation occupying the land of Israel; a specific people located in a specific location.

scriptures do not address the international dateline. To insist on adjusting the calculation of one’s Sabbath based upon the international dateline is not Biblical.
truthorfables.com/Sabbath_is_Friday.htm

When the Julian calendar was replaced by the Gregorian calendar in 1582 CE, ten days were deleted in order to bring the calendar in synchronism with the seasons. Thus, 1582-OCT-4 (a Thursday) was followed by 1582-OCT-15 (a Friday), indicating the Sabbath was originally Friday, rather than Saturday.
jews-for-allah.org/Jews-and-Muslims-Agree/jewishsabbath-islamsabbath.htm
 
Regarding the differences between Catholic and Adventist beliefs, here are a couple of helpful websites:

diesdomini.com
exadventist.com

The first site is run by a former Adventist who converted to the Catholic faith, and it’s excellent. The second site was founded by evangelical Protestants, so it doesn’t line up with Catholicism on every point, but it still contains a lot of good material.

For a summary of doctrinal differences between the Catholic Church and Adventism:

exadventist.com/Home/Intro/tabid/64/Default.aspx

Hope this helps. God bless,

Don
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Welcome to the forum, flippychic!

I am no expert on SDAs so I’ll only offer my prayers for you in this potential trial today at mass.

mp
 
flippychic said:
i’ve been a catholic my whole life and i’ve always been fascinated and touched by our teachings. for about eight months i have been with my boyfriend, who is a seventh day adventist. for the first 6 months, we’ve avoided discussing our religious beliefs. as we have grown more closer and serious, our religious beliefs is something we have started to bring up in our discussions. whenever i listen to him, it is so hard for me to continue on with the discussion. all i hear about is how they hate what we belief and the history of the catholic church. he doesnt seem to have any respect for our faith. he always claims that there are so many things that our church will not teach us. he always claims that the world is going to end, i know that being a catholic, i was taught not to treat others that way. whenever i listen to him about this topic, all i hear is hatred. other than religion, we get along great and i feel closer to him. remember that he strongly believes what he believes. its when we start talking about it, i begin to second guess myself. why exactly do they believe this way? why do they learn about the catholic church is such a negative light? and what should i expect in the long run?
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The seventh day adventist lack for respect towards the Catholic Church is engraved in their doctrines. One thing you might come across alot with a seventh day adventist is the arguement about the Catholic Church changing the sabbath to sunday.

they might use arguements like Constantine the great, Council of Laodicea, Council of Trent to reallly prove their point but history happens to disagree with them.

I would respond to this is by saying; " If you believe that Peter was the First Pope for the Catholic Church( which there is plenty of evidence that he is ) then the Catholic Church indeed changed the sabbath but if you do not believe Peter was the first pope for the Catholic Church then no the Catholic Church did not change the sabbath" - I learned that this has helped the seventhday adventist understand the Catholic’s side a little bit more.

they will often misrepresent quotes from Catholics to prove their point as well. one thing you should keep in mind is that the their teachings about the sabbath is kinda unpopular amongst even Protestants, or so it seems.

Seventh Day Adventistism is just another one of those 18/1900s religions, during the time when anti-catholic propoganda was still active. the Seventh Day Adventist was founded by false predictions that was later reinterpreted as “Investigative Judgment” which they now call it “Christ’s Ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary” in their fundamental beliefs . their interpretation of scripture are influenced by the teachings of a Prophet named Ellen G White who knew very little history about the Catholic Church which now many adventist are effected by. Ellen G White has been proven to be a false prophet although the Adventist Church continues to see her as inspired as the prophets in the bible.

BTW: welcome to Forums, anymore questions, your welcome to ask
 
Welcome to the Forum. My personal opinion, unless religion is unimportant to you, find a new boyfriend, SDA and Catholicism are incompatible.
 
The following link might help:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=108169&highlight=adventism+resources

I stumbled across CAF after breaking up with my SDA boyfriend. As our relationship got more serious, we decided it was best to part ways. He was not willing to marry in the Catholic Church or to raise children Catholic, and I was not willing to abandon my faith. One of the reasons I was attracted to him initially was because of his strong faith. If your faith is important to you, continuing to date him will be very difficult. My SDA boyfriend broke my heart, and I probably broke his, but I learned that my faith is much more important than any man. Now, I only date practicing Catholics.

Ask your boyfriend if he is willing to marry in the Church and raise kids Catholic. Ask him if he is willing to even marry a Catholic. My boyfriend wasnt. In the beginning, he said he was fine with me being Catholic, but his family and friends put a huge amount of pressure on him. I dont blame him for being true to his faith though.

You deserve a man who will love 100 percent of you, even the Catholic parts. But Adventism is based on being anti-Catholic. SDA strays from the Bible and has some “additions” that are not found in the Bible.

In addition to the above link, I suggest the two sources listed under my signature. Pray about this ask ask God for you to be able to follow HIs will. Before you discuss your faith, make sure you know how to explain yours well. The above resources will help alot. I learned so much about my faith thanks to my former Adventist boyfriend! Who knows, maybe you will help bring your boyfriend “home” to the Catholic Church!

Sincerely,

Maria1212
 
Hi “flippychick”

I would certainly agree with Maria12 12 inthat if your faith is important to you; then you should not get serious with this Adventist fellow.

I don’t see much wisdom in the anti-adventist sites given to you in this topic; and I am not so sure you will need them in order to make your decision about the man you are dating. Catholics tend to see us as “anti-Catholic;” we tend to see Catholics as “anti-Adventist;” it is likely that the person you are dating has not been able to articulate how he has experienced Jesus, in the Adventist Church. You should try asking him.

No matter what religion we are talking about, it is really hard to be “unequally yoked;” and couples who are not of the same denomination, almost always have great difficulty, IF they stay together at all. You are in “the valley of decision;” and only the Holy Spirit will be able to lead you through it.
 
Maria1212 said:
The following link might help:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=108169&highlight=adventism+resources

I stumbled across CAF after breaking up with my SDA boyfriend. As our relationship got more serious, we decided it was best to part ways. He was not willing to marry in the Catholic Church or to raise children Catholic, and I was not willing to abandon my faith. One of the reasons I was attracted to him initially was because of his strong faith. If your faith is important to you, continuing to date him will be very difficult. My SDA boyfriend broke my heart, and I probably broke his, but I learned that my faith is much more important than any man. Now, I only date practicing Catholics.

Ask your boyfriend if he is willing to marry in the Church and raise kids Catholic. Ask him if he is willing to even marry a Catholic. My boyfriend wasnt. In the beginning, he said he was fine with me being Catholic, but his family and friends put a huge amount of pressure on him. I dont blame him for being true to his faith though.

You deserve a man who will love 100 percent of you, even the Catholic parts. But Adventism is based on being anti-Catholic. SDA strays from the Bible and has some “additions” that are not found in the Bible.

In addition to the above link, I suggest the two sources listed under my signature. Pray about this ask ask God for you to be able to follow HIs will. Before you discuss your faith, make sure you know how to explain yours well. The above resources will help alot. I learned so much about my faith thanks to my former Adventist boyfriend! Who knows, maybe you will help bring your boyfriend “home” to the Catholic Church!

Sincerely,

Maria1212
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Hi OP,

I want to clarify something in my above post. When I wrote that Adventism is"anti-Catholic" I meant that in regard to its teachings, doctrine, and interpretation of Scripture. I don`t mean individual Adventists are "anti-Catholic " when it comes to individual Catholics. My choice of wording was poor. But as Catholics, we believe we make up the Catholic Church. Individual Catholics are the Church. Sometimes Adventists will argue it is the Catholic Church as in an institution, they do not agree with. But we Catholics are the Church. I hope that makes sense.

When it comes to mixed marriages, it is probably easier to have a mixed marriage of non-Catholic Christians from other denominations, compared to Adventist.

I would use this as an opporunity to sit down and really examine your faith and your relationship with God, and think about what you want in a marriage partner. You do not want your faith to be an obstacle in your marriage. Marriage is hard enough as it is.

Pray about the situation and think about discussing it with your priest. But I would do yourself a favor, and end this relationship before it gets too serious. Be honest with your boyfriend for your reasons. My former-SDA boyfriend respected me for holding firm to my beliefs. I respected him for making the same decision. Even though our faith was what led us to part ways, we loved each other even more for knowing neither of us sacrificed our beliefs. I hope that makes sense.

Sincerely,

Maria1212
 
it is obvious that you both are like oil and water,cannot mix,however you be the oil and keep rising to the top . be strong.
 
So are you going to raise your children catholic? will he tolerate that?
 
It is possible to bulid a relationship with a Religion that is soo conflicting (SDA) towards your religion. A Seventh Day Adventist and a Catholic in a relationship is not uncommon, there have been many cases where the relationship such as this one thas worked. I sometimes wonder if SDA’s dating catholics is becomming a trend amongst them.

The best advice I can give you is; learn about his religions and all of it’s aspects. And study your own, so that you have a better understanding of your beliefs, so that your explanations about them may be easier to discuss.
 
flippychic said:
i’ve been a catholic my whole life and i’ve always been fascinated and touched by our teachings. for about eight months i have been with my boyfriend, who is a seventh day adventist. for the first 6 months, we’ve avoided discussing our religious beliefs. as we have grown more closer and serious, our religious beliefs is something we have started to bring up in our discussions. whenever i listen to him, it is so hard for me to continue on with the discussion. all i hear about is how they hate what we belief and the history of the catholic church. he doesnt seem to have any respect for our faith. he always claims that there are so many things that our church will not teach us. he always claims that the world is going to end, i know that being a catholic, i was taught not to treat others that way. whenever i listen to him about this topic, all i hear is hatred. other than religion, we get along great and i feel closer to him. remember that he strongly believes what he believes. its when we start talking about it, i begin to second guess myself. why exactly do they believe this way? why do they learn about the catholic church is such a negative light? and what should i expect in the long run?
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