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Seventh Day Adventists say Catholics changed the Sabbath to Sunday and they go crazy on this… I found a website that says they are a cult. I have a best friend who is a Seventh Day Adventist so I really want to understand them but she goes crazy when ever we talk about it so it is hard to understand why she is sooo upset about things regarding Catholicism. I do know her husband was raised Catholic in Poland and supposedly became a 7th Day Adventist minister but he does not preach. She goes nuts about Mary acting like anybody did as much as she did. She is a good mother and expects her children to honor her but gives no respect to Mary. Her husband said if I knew all he knew I would realize the Catholic church is not correct in anything. He told me he would go to any priest if I went to any of his church in my area. For me if I had my choice for him to learn about Catholicism I would say Jeff Cavins I think his CDs and DVDs and workshops of Journey Thru the Bible and all the other studies explain it very well. Anyway I would like some feed back from people b/c it really bothers me the way they go crazy about things and when I have had their kids stay they say don’t go to the Catholic bible study classes like they are going to be poisoned…
 
Seventh Day Adventists say Catholics changed the Sabbath to Sunday and they go crazy on this… I found a website that says they are a cult. I have a best friend who is a Seventh Day Adventist so I really want to understand them but she goes crazy when ever we talk about it so it is hard to understand why she is sooo upset about things regarding Catholicism. I do know her husband was raised Catholic in Poland and supposedly became a 7th Day Adventist minister but he does not preach. She goes nuts about Mary acting like anybody did as much as she did. She is a good mother and expects her children to honor her but gives no respect to Mary. Her husband said if I knew all he knew I would realize the Catholic church is not correct in anything. He told me he would go to any priest if I went to any of his church in my area. For me if I had my choice for him to learn about Catholicism I would say Jeff Cavins I think his CDs and DVDs and workshops of Journey Thru the Bible and all the other studies explain it very well. Anyway I would like some feed back from people b/c it really bothers me the way they go crazy about things and when I have had their kids stay they say don’t go to the Catholic bible study classes like they are going to be poisoned…
The SDA Church has been very anti-Catholic since it’s beginning in the 1800s. Ellen White, a “prophet” of the Adventist Church back in the 1800s, was extremely anti-Catholic. They are very intolerant of beliefs that differ from their own to include their belief on issues such as immortality (or rather the lack of immortality). They do not believe that the soul is immortal. “Investigative Judgment” is another area unique to the SDA. They believe that Jesus starting investigating and researching the Book of Life in 1844 and will continue to research it until His 2nd coming at which time the fate of all souls will already be determined. Interesting concept… a God that must research and investigate to find answers, but one which is silly and why did this research only begin in 1844?

OH… and when they come over for dinner (if they do), don’t serve a pork roast. They don’t eat pork. 👍
 
Seventh Day Adventists say Catholics changed the Sabbath to Sunday and they go crazy on this… I found a website that says they are a cult. I have a best friend who is a Seventh Day Adventist so I really want to understand them but she goes crazy when ever we talk about it so it is hard to understand why she is sooo upset about things regarding Catholicism. I do know her husband was raised Catholic in Poland and supposedly became a 7th Day Adventist minister but he does not preach. She goes nuts about Mary acting like anybody did as much as she did. She is a good mother and expects her children to honor her but gives no respect to Mary. Her husband said if I knew all he knew I would realize the Catholic church is not correct in anything. He told me he would go to any priest if I went to any of his church in my area. For me if I had my choice for him to learn about Catholicism I would say Jeff Cavins I think his CDs and DVDs and workshops of Journey Thru the Bible and all the other studies explain it very well. Anyway I would like some feed back from people b/c it really bothers me the way they go crazy about things and when I have had their kids stay they say don’t go to the Catholic bible study classes like they are going to be poisoned…
First of all I must say that I find it interesting that they let their kids stay with you considering how they feel about your faith.
This, in and of itself can be a huge opportunity for “evangelization by action” on your part. Obviously, since the Catholic church is so evil, you as a catholic must be “evil” and “poisened”. But as these children are exposed to you, and your active Christian Love, such as never putting down their parents or “going crazy” about their beliefs etc. This can be huge when they start comparing what is said about catholicism and catholics and what they witness through you.

As for the other issues, I’m not sure exactly what you mean by “going crazy” but in general if it means that they are “adamant” and won’t listen to any other arguments there is not much you can do.
Obviously the husband feels he knows much more than you so you have a possible opportunity here. If you feel confident enough you might allow him to “School you” in why he believes the Catholic Church is “not right on anything”. Of course he must allow you to defend your faith if he is to convince you of the validity of his. In other words you must make it clear to him that, in presenting his views, it is not a “lecture” to be accepted without examination. Rather, he may present his views and you may present your views, ask questions, offer rebuttals etc.

Such discussion can lead you to a better understanding of your catholic faith and perhaps break down a few of his misconceptions about what the Church teaches. (and the fact that he was rised catholic does not preclude misconceptions)

My understanding of the SDA is simply that it is a very OT covenant faith. They wish to adhere to the “Law”, and not just the ten commandments. Sort of like the Judaizers at Antioch in Acts 15 who insisted that the Gentiles be circumsized.

Peace
James
 
Seventh Day Adventists say Catholics changed the Sabbath to Sunday and they go crazy on this…
This issue doesn’t seem to have been settled even among the many Christian denominations to this day. Some say Saturday is the Sabbath and Sunday is the Lord’s Day. Others say Sunday is the Sabbath. The primary reason for this confusion seems to be the practice of the early Church having their “main” (for lack of a better word) service on Sunday. From what I have read, a couple of reasons for this are; 1) the early Jewish Christians would still observe the Sabbath and go to the Synagogue on Saturday then meet on Sunday for Christian worship, or 2) the early Christians met on Sunday because that was the day of Christ’s resurrection.

As I was writing this it dawned on me to consult my CCC. (Probably should have gone there first. I apologize. I haven’t made it all the way across the Tiber yet.)

345 The sabbath – the end of the work of the six days. The sacred text says that “on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done,” that the “heavens and earth were finished,” and that God “rested” on this day and sanctified and blessed it…

349 The eighth day. But for us a new day has dawned: the day of Christ’s Resurrection. The seventh day completes the first creation. The eighth day begins the new creation…

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath…

So, I think we can see from this the Catholic Church did not change the Sabbath to Sunday. 👍
 
Romans 14 proves that the early church met on both saturday and sunday. The phrase “first day of the week” refers to sunday in the gospels and acts. How can a pope or whatever change the day worship to a day that was already being used as a day of worship by christians in the early church?
 
I’ve been talking with my friend about this. He’s a Catholic but he’s been studying the SDA, going to church on Saturdays, and going to their Bible study. He doesn’t know much about his faith and I continue to “school him” in his misconceptions of the Church. A few days ago he brought up the topic of infant baptisms and how can that happen when babies can’t believe. I informed him on a few Bible passages that explain that in fact there were infant baptisms performed. He listened and he knows he was mistaken.
 
I’ve been talking with my friend about this. He’s a Catholic but he’s been studying the SDA, going to church on Saturdays, and going to their Bible study. He doesn’t know much about his faith and I continue to “school him” in his misconceptions of the Church. A few days ago he brought up the topic of infant baptisms and how can that happen when babies can’t believe. I informed him on a few Bible passages that explain that in fact there were infant baptisms performed. He listened and he knows he was mistaken.
hi brina. will be praying for your efforts. it would be the same if any fundamentalist group were trying to convert him. im glad he is willing to listen to you. as a convert from protestantism, i can tell you. there is nothing to gain by leaving the Catholic Church, but much to lose. he can worship on saturday in the Catholic Church too, if that is the issue. they have Mass in most parishes every day of the week. at least where i am from. Peace to you and yours 🙂
 
Romans 14 proves that the early church met on both saturday and sunday. The phrase “first day of the week” refers to sunday in the gospels and acts. How can a pope or whatever change the day worship to a day that was already being used as a day of worship by christians in the early church?
The Church did not “change the sabbath.” The sabbath is still Saturday. The issue is whether or not christians are obligated to keep the jewish sabbath. The answer to this question is in Acts, where the First council at Jerusalem decided that christians were not obligated to keep the jewish sabbath. However, Catholics are obligated to attend mass on the Lord’s Day (the First Day of the Week) - the day that commemorates His resurrection. It’s not really true to say that the Church “switched” the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Rather, the early Church first acknowledged that Christians did not have to keep the Jewish sabbath, but it continued to honor the Lord’s Day.

Peace,
Robert
 
The Church did not “change the sabbath.” The sabbath is still Saturday. The issue is whether or not christians are obligated to keep the jewish sabbath. The answer to this question is in Acts, where the First council at Jerusalem decided that christians were not obligated to keep the jewish sabbath. However, Catholics are obligated to attend mass on the Lord’s Day (the First Day of the Week) - the day that commemorates His resurrection. It’s not really true to say that the Church “switched” the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Rather, the early Church first acknowledged that Christians did not have to keep the Jewish sabbath, but it continued to honor the Lord’s Day.

Peace,
Robert
But doesn’t the Catholic version of the 10 Commandments change the command, “Keep holy the sabbath day” to “Keep holy the Lord’s Day”??? Isn’t that, in essence, switching the days?

Not trying to be difficult. The Sabbath/Lord’s Day issue is one that I have pondered for some time.
 
But doesn’t the Catholic version of the 10 Commandments change the command, “Keep holy the sabbath day” to “Keep holy the Lord’s Day”??? Isn’t that, in essence, switching the days?

Not trying to be difficult. The Sabbath/Lord’s Day issue is one that I have pondered for some time.
On an entirely different note, and considering the evolution of calendars, leap years, leap days, Gregorian, Julian…who cares? the Sabbath that Moses celebrated could quite easily be our Tuesday.

I believe that the point is…one day out of seven.
 
But doesn’t the Catholic version of the 10 Commandments change the command, “Keep holy the sabbath day” to “Keep holy the Lord’s Day”??? Isn’t that, in essence, switching the days?

Not trying to be difficult. The Sabbath/Lord’s Day issue is one that I have pondered for some time.
thats one of the perks of being Catholic. i can attend mass on any day of the week. sunday is the bigee tho. but our parish has a full service saturday evening, and sunday morning. so i dont understand the big issue seventh day adventist have with the Catholic Church. they can join us on saturday evenings to worship the Lord. or any day they desire. i for one am very happy to see alot of people show up. one time we had 200 show up on a wedsday morning. it was really something. it was clearly a leading of the Holy Spirit, calling his people to pray. also, we sometimes have a rabbi that worships with us on sundays. and ive known Catholics who will sometimes attend Jewish synagouge services on sabbath. Peace 🙂
 
Seventh Day Adventists say Catholics changed the Sabbath to Sunday and they go crazy on this… I found a website that says they are a cult. I have a best friend who is a Seventh Day Adventist so I really want to understand them but she goes crazy when ever we talk about it so it is hard to understand why she is sooo upset about things regarding Catholicism. I do know her husband was raised Catholic in Poland and supposedly became a 7th Day Adventist minister but he does not preach. She goes nuts about Mary acting like anybody did as much as she did. She is a good mother and expects her children to honor her but gives no respect to Mary. Her husband said if I knew all he knew I would realize the Catholic church is not correct in anything. He told me he would go to any priest if I went to any of his church in my area. For me if I had my choice for him to learn about Catholicism I would say Jeff Cavins I think his CDs and DVDs and workshops of Journey Thru the Bible and all the other studies explain it very well. Anyway I would like some feed back from people b/c it really bothers me the way they go crazy about things and when I have had their kids stay they say don’t go to the Catholic bible study classes like they are going to be poisoned…
I’m not an SDA. But we should always fall back on what was instituted at the very beginning and unless it has been qualified & purposefully replaced we should resume what was first instructed.

The Sabbath was first instituted for the Jews. And they have been practising the sabbath since even before the exodus!

And which day is that? SATURDAY.

The 1st day of the week is Sunday, and that’s very clear really. The question is since Jesus said “Salvation is from the Jews” and Christianity is to follow in sequence of the jewish faith, there is no question then that if anyone wants to observe the Sabbath, then he/she must observe it on the same day as the Jews. To do otherwise is to deny this link.

The bible says that even Jesus went to the synagogue on the sabbath. And Jesus was a jew observing the sabbath as like the jews today. Which means that Jesus Himself observed the Sabbath Saturday. NOT on a sunday.

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=henrietta327;6631719]Seventh Day Adventists say Catholics changed the Sabbath to Sunday and they go crazy on this… I found a website that says they are a cult. I have a best friend who is a Seventh Day Adventist so I really want to understand them but she goes crazy when ever we talk about it so it is hard to understand why she is sooo upset about things regarding Catholicism.
I would suggest that you buy the book called “It’s Okay not to be a Seventh-Day Adventist”. It is written by Teresa and Arthur Beem who were in the Adventist Church for over 30 years. If is a complete history of that religion from the inside. The authors became Catholic.
 
Seventh Day Adventists say Catholics changed the Sabbath to Sunday and they go crazy on this… I found a website that says they are a cult. I have a best friend who is a Seventh Day Adventist so I really want to understand them but she goes crazy when ever we talk about it so it is hard to understand why she is sooo upset about things regarding Catholicism. I do know her husband was raised Catholic in Poland and supposedly became a 7th Day Adventist minister but he does not preach. She goes nuts about Mary acting like anybody did as much as she did. She is a good mother and expects her children to honor her but gives no respect to Mary. Her husband said if I knew all he knew I would realize the Catholic church is not correct in anything. He told me he would go to any priest if I went to any of his church in my area. For me if I had my choice for him to learn about Catholicism I would say Jeff Cavins I think his CDs and DVDs and workshops of Journey Thru the Bible and all the other studies explain it very well. Anyway I would like some feed back from people b/c it really bothers me the way they go crazy about things and when I have had their kids stay they say don’t go to the Catholic bible study classes like they are going to be poisoned…
Here is what I say to SDA atni-Catholic lines: YYAAAAAAWWWNNNNNN

And what part of the phrase “fulfilled the OT” do SDA not comprehend? If that is the case,then why wondering why Jesus did not resurrect on Saturday,instead of Sunday?

Ask your SDA friend if they practice circumcision too? Do they follow the OT dietary laws too?

BTW: In case your friend did not know,Saturday was also the day of worship for the pagan god Saturn…where we get SATURDAY…😉
 
I’m not an SDA. But we should always fall back on what was instituted at the very beginning and unless it has been qualified & purposefully replaced we should resume what was first instructed.

The Sabbath was first instituted for the Jews. And they have been practising the sabbath since even before the exodus!

And which day is that? SATURDAY.

The 1st day of the week is Sunday, and that’s very clear really. The question is since Jesus said “Salvation is from the Jews” and Christianity is to follow in sequence of the jewish faith, there is no question then that if anyone wants to observe the Sabbath, then he/she must observe it on the same day as the Jews. To do otherwise is to deny this link.

The bible says that even Jesus went to the synagogue on the sabbath. And Jesus was a jew observing the sabbath as like the jews today. Which means that Jesus Himself observed the Sabbath Saturday. NOT on a sunday.

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Okay,but is Saturday the seventh day of the week in Jewish (Mosaic Old Covenant) religious law. The day of rest for Christianity has been replaced
by Sunday, the Lords day, because Jesus Christ was resurrected on Sunday.

The Old Covenant, and with it the Sabbath, was obsoleted by the New Covenant. It was replaced by the Law of Christ and the Lord’s Day:

2Cor 3:4-18, “…but their minds were darkened; for to this day, when the Old Testament is read to them, the selfsame veil remains, not being lifted to disclose the Christ in whom IT IS MADE VOID.”

2Cor 5:17, “If then any man is in Christ, he is a new creature: the former
things HAVE PASSED AWAY; BEHOLD, THEY ARE MADE NEW!”

Eph 2:15, “The law of the commandments expressed in decrees HE HAS
MADE VOID, that of the two He might create in Himself one new man
and make peace.”

Col 2:13-19, “And you, when you were dead by reason of your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh (failing to follow the Old Covenant), He brought to life along with Him, forgiving you all of your sins (bypassing the O.C.), cancelling the decree agains us (the O.C.), which was hostile to us. Indeed, He has taken it completely away, NAILING IT TO THE CROSS (the O.C. was nailed to the cross, effectively ending it, and with it the Sabbath). …Let no one call you to account for what you eat or drink or in regard to a festival or a new moon, or a SABBATH.” That says, just what it says, DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR A SABBATH.

Hebrews 8:6-13, “But now he has obtained a SUPERIOR MINISTRY, IN PROPORTION AS HE IS MEDIATOR, OF A SUPERIOR COVENANT, enacted on the basis of superior promises. For had the FIRST BEEN FAULTLESS, PLACE WOULD NOT OF COURSE BE SOUGHT FOR A SECOND. (so the O.C. was faulted, through our fault not GOD’s, and there was a need for a N.C.)…(vs13) Now in saying ‘A NEW COVENANT,’ HE HAS MADE OBSOLETE THE FORMER ONE; AND THAT WHICH IS OBSOLETE AND HAS GROWN OLD IS NEAR ITS END.”

Hebrews 7:11-12, “…what further need was there that another priest should rise, according to the order of Melchisedech, and said not to be according to the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, IT IS NECCESSARY THAT A CHANGE OF LAW BE MADE ALSO.”

I do not see how Scripture could be any plainer than that. The Old Covenant, and with it the Sabbath, circumcision, bloody sacrifices and a multitude of other Jewish laws was ended and replaced by the New Covenant of Jesus Christ. The Sabbath is ended, finis, kaput… But there is a lot more. Read Hebrews 9 and 10, about the New Covenant.

Hebrews 10:9-10, ‘“Behold, I come to do thy will, O GOD,” HE ANNULS THE FIRST COVENANT IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THE SECOND.’
The Sabbath along with the Old Covenant is dead, the last nail driven into the coffin, and it is buried.

Galations 3:10-29, “For those who rely on the works of the Law are under a curse…BUT THAT BY THE LAW NO MAN IS JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD IS EVIDENT, BECAUSE HE WHO IS JUST LIVES BY FAITH…CHRIST REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW…BUT BEFORE THE FAITH CAME WE WERE KEPT IMPRISONED UNDER THE LAW, SHUT UP FOR THE FAITH THAT WAS TO BE REVEALED. THEREFORE THE LAW HAS BEEN OUR TUTOR UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. BUT NOW THAT FAITH HAS COME, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A TUTOR…”
The Old Covenant (the Law, and with it the Sabbath), has been a good tutor, but is no longer needed.

Sabbatarians insist St. Paul preached to the Jews on the Sabbath, and therefore, the Sabbath is still the day of worship:They are right about his preaching to the Jews on the Sabbath as shown in Acts 13:14, Acts 13:44, and Acts 18:4. What they fail to realize is, since that was the day when the Jews were gathered in the Synagogue, as it was their Sabbath, he could preach to the maximum number gathered in one place, all at one time. That was the only reason for his preaching to the Jews on the Sabbath.
He preached to the Jews first on the Sabbath, while they were gathered in one place and then after he preached to the Gentiles as shown in Acts 13:46.

Also, they fail to see that St. Paul was not under the Law of the Old Covenant
but under the Law of Christ, “And I have become to the Jews a Jew that I might gain the Jews; to those under the Law, as one under the Law, that I might gain those under the Law; to those without the Law, though I am not without the Law of GOD, but am under the Law of Christ.” 1Cor 9:20-21

To break this down, in easier terms:
St. Paul said he was not under the Law of the Jews (the Old Covenant).
However, he said he was not without the Law.
He said his Law was a different Law.
He said his Law is the Law of Christ (the New Covenant).
 
But doesn’t the Catholic version of the 10 Commandments change the command, “Keep holy the sabbath day” to “Keep holy the Lord’s Day”??? Isn’t that, in essence, switching the days?

Not trying to be difficult. The Sabbath/Lord’s Day issue is one that I have pondered for some time.
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2168 The third commandment of the Decalogue recalls the holiness of the sabbath: “The seventh day is a sabbath day of solemn rest, holy to the Lord.”

So, it appears the “Catholic version” did not change the commandment.

To try and clear up any confusion, I will repeat what I posted earlier, also from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

345 The sabbath – the end of the work of the six days. The sacred text says that “on the seventh day God finished his work which he had done,” that the “heavens and earth were finished,” and that God “rested” on this day and sanctified and blessed it…

349 The eighth day. But for us a new day has dawned: the day of Christ’s Resurrection. The seventh day completes the first creation. The eighth day begins the new creation…

2175 Sunday is expressly distinguished from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath…

Hope this helps! 👍

note to Adam and Eve Darn it, folks! Ya’ll only had 1 commandment to keep and you couldn’t do that?! Thanks a lot! Now we’ve got 10! :banghead:
 
Okay,but is Saturday the seventh day of the week in Jewish (Mosaic Old Covenant) religious law. The day of rest for Christianity has been replaced
by Sunday, the Lords day, because Jesus Christ was resurrected on Sunday.

The Old Covenant, and with it the Sabbath, was obsoleted by the New Covenant. It was replaced by the Law of Christ and the Lord’s Day:

2Cor 3:4-18, “…but their minds were darkened; for to this day, when the Old Testament is read to them, the selfsame veil remains, not being lifted to disclose the Christ in whom IT IS MADE VOID.”

2Cor 5:17, “If then any man is in Christ, he is a new creature: the former
things HAVE PASSED AWAY; BEHOLD, THEY ARE MADE NEW!”

Eph 2:15, “The law of the commandments expressed in decrees HE HAS
MADE VOID, that of the two He might create in Himself one new man
and make peace.”

Col 2:13-19, “And you, when you were dead by reason of your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh (failing to follow the Old Covenant), He brought to life along with Him, forgiving you all of your sins (bypassing the O.C.), cancelling the decree agains us (the O.C.), which was hostile to us. Indeed, He has taken it completely away, NAILING IT TO THE CROSS (the O.C. was nailed to the cross, effectively ending it, and with it the Sabbath). …Let no one call you to account for what you eat or drink or in regard to a festival or a new moon, or a SABBATH.” That says, just what it says, DO NOT ACCOUNT FOR A SABBATH.

Hebrews 8:6-13, “But now he has obtained a SUPERIOR MINISTRY, IN PROPORTION AS HE IS MEDIATOR, OF A SUPERIOR COVENANT, enacted on the basis of superior promises. For had the FIRST BEEN FAULTLESS, PLACE WOULD NOT OF COURSE BE SOUGHT FOR A SECOND. (so the O.C. was faulted, through our fault not GOD’s, and there was a need for a N.C.)…(vs13) Now in saying ‘A NEW COVENANT,’ HE HAS MADE OBSOLETE THE FORMER ONE; AND THAT WHICH IS OBSOLETE AND HAS GROWN OLD IS NEAR ITS END.”

Hebrews 7:11-12, “…what further need was there that another priest should rise, according to the order of Melchisedech, and said not to be according to the order of Aaron? For when the priesthood is changed, IT IS NECCESSARY THAT A CHANGE OF LAW BE MADE ALSO.”

I do not see how Scripture could be any plainer than that. The Old Covenant, and with it the Sabbath, circumcision, bloody sacrifices and a multitude of other Jewish laws was ended and replaced by the New Covenant of Jesus Christ. The Sabbath is ended, finis, kaput… But there is a lot more. Read Hebrews 9 and 10, about the New Covenant.

Hebrews 10:9-10, ‘“Behold, I come to do thy will, O GOD,” HE ANNULS THE FIRST COVENANT IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH THE SECOND.’
The Sabbath along with the Old Covenant is dead, the last nail driven into the coffin, and it is buried.

Galations 3:10-29, “For those who rely on the works of the Law are under a curse…BUT THAT BY THE LAW NO MAN IS JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD IS EVIDENT, BECAUSE HE WHO IS JUST LIVES BY FAITH…CHRIST REDEEMED US FROM THE CURSE OF THE LAW…BUT BEFORE THE FAITH CAME WE WERE KEPT IMPRISONED UNDER THE LAW, SHUT UP FOR THE FAITH THAT WAS TO BE REVEALED. THEREFORE THE LAW HAS BEEN OUR TUTOR UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. BUT NOW THAT FAITH HAS COME, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A TUTOR…”
The Old Covenant (the Law, and with it the Sabbath), has been a good tutor, but is no longer needed.

Sabbatarians insist St. Paul preached to the Jews on the Sabbath, and therefore, the Sabbath is still the day of worship:They are right about his preaching to the Jews on the Sabbath as shown in Acts 13:14, Acts 13:44, and Acts 18:4. What they fail to realize is, since that was the day when the Jews were gathered in the Synagogue, as it was their Sabbath, he could preach to the maximum number gathered in one place, all at one time. That was the only reason for his preaching to the Jews on the Sabbath.
He preached to the Jews first on the Sabbath, while they were gathered in one place and then after he preached to the Gentiles as shown in Acts 13:46.

Also, they fail to see that St. Paul was not under the Law of the Old Covenant
but under the Law of Christ, “And I have become to the Jews a Jew that I might gain the Jews; to those under the Law, as one under the Law, that I might gain those under the Law; to those without the Law, though I am not without the Law of GOD, but am under the Law of Christ.” 1Cor 9:20-21

To break this down, in easier terms:
St. Paul said he was not under the Law of the Jews (the Old Covenant).
However, he said he was not without the Law.
He said his Law was a different Law.
He said his Law is the Law of Christ (the New Covenant).
Nicea, its easy to justify something that we want using the remotest scripture. At no time in those quotes are instructions to nullify Sabbath NOR to change it to another day. And at no time are christians instructed to observe otherwise, whether or not Jesus resurrected on Sunday or Monday or Wednesday has never been a point used by God to decide a change for the Sabbath Saturday.

St Paul said we are to UPHOLD the Law. What do you understand by that? Why would we need to uphold something that has been made VOID (like you claim it is)

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romans 14:5-6, colossians 2:16 paul addresses these concerns, and also food prohibitons set forth in the judaic law, etc.
 
Nicea, its easy to justify something that we want using the remotest scripture. At no time in those quotes are instructions to nullify Sabbath NOR to change it to another day. And at no time are christians instructed to observe otherwise, whether or not Jesus resurrected on Sunday or Monday or Wednesday has never been a point used by God to decide a change for the Sabbath Saturday.

St Paul said we are to UPHOLD the Law. What do you understand by that? Why would we need to uphold something that has been made VOID (like you claim it is)

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How about this. In only two places in the Gospels does the term “Church” appear. both times used by Christ Himself and both times in connection with the authority to “bind and loose…whatever”.
The Church, from very early times has “bound” us to gathering for worship on Sunday.
This change (if it be so) has not undemined the intent of the “sabbath” or “Lord’s day” but rather has given God an even better and more rightful place in our weekly calander.
Now, instead of our worship being last in our week, putting all else before God, our worship is the first thing in our seek, putting God before all else in our week.

Peace
James
 
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