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Greetings to you ‘happily catholic’!
😉
See Angels and Demons…a good recruiting film for the Roman Catholic Church…proud of a blog I started!!..many of your friends did discuss the film…😛

Glad you are happily catholic!! I am happily Adventist Christian…and have talked about Adventism at length on this forum and happy to do again, though I would refer you to Questions for Adventists blog, to save me some trouble rewriting all I wrote there…but aside from that…‘sigh’…ASK AWAY…

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.:cool:
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Greetings to you ‘happily catholic’!
😉
See Angels and Demons…a good recruiting film for the Roman Catholic Church…proud of a blog I started!!..many of your friends did discuss the film…😛

Glad you are happily catholic!! I am happily Adventist Christian…and have talked about Adventism at length on this forum and happy to do again, though I would refer you to Questions for Adventists blog, to save me some trouble rewriting all I wrote there…but aside from that…‘sigh’…ASK AWAY…

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.:cool:
We will excile you to the Island of Patmos! Man I want to become an SDA so bad because I can worship on Saturdays. But in my heart of hearts Yeshua is God.

The Saturday thing is really calling me. I’ll probably go Messianic.
 
I wish I was a cradle catholic. That would mean I’d devoted more of my life to Christ’s Church. :o

I love the quote. 🙂

Thank you.

HC
I respect you happilycatholic for your lifetime devotion to our Lord Jesus…I have also done the same…I was a cradle Adventist Christian…🙂

What shall we discuss…anything…no not anything you made that plain…so I give you first ‘blood’…whenever you are ready…:rolleyes:

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.👍
 
We will excile you to the Island of Patmos! Man I want to become an SDA so bad because I can worship on Saturdays. But in my heart of hearts Yeshua is God.

The Saturday thing is really calling me. I’ll probably go Messianic.
There are only two Covenants. It’s simply a matter of choosing one or the other.

Blessings,

HC
 
We will excile you to the Island of Patmos! Man I want to become an SDA so bad because I can worship on Saturdays. But in my heart of hearts Yeshua is God.

The Saturday thing is really calling me. I’ll probably go Messianic.
Wow lovely to meet you Yeshua. I was on Patmos last year, lovely atmospheric place, even holy you may say…you Jewish brother…so nice to meet you…Yeshua is in my heart too I think, there is One God our God is One…yeah I can agree with that…🙂

But do you now worship on Saturday, sunset Friday to sunset Saturday…Sabbath??:confused:

Nice to talk to you Yeshua.👍

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.😉
 
There are only two Covenants. It’s simply a matter of choosing one or the other.

Blessings,

HC
I’m choosing the Covenant of Yeshua but I have a real big issue worshiping on “the most venerable day of the sun”

I’m a weirdo it bothers me 🙂
 
I’m choosing the Covenant of Yeshua but I have a real big issue worshiping on “the most venerable day of the sun”

I’m a weirdo it bothers me 🙂
Don’t let it bother you too much brother:thumbsup:…sun worship was big with the pagans yeah…in the days of the Israelites yeah:shrug:…same now…just paganism and Catholicism combined;)…just ignore them even tho they claim to be ‘the on true church’.:confused:…they were at one time till they apostasised:eek:…so join the true Christians and worship on the seventh day according to the Commandment brother Yeshua…:dancing:

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.
 
Hey brother2: Are you ignoring the challenge:
I’ve been to SDA websites and viewed your propaganda before…Tell you what, I posted ern42 a link to a secular encyclopedia with a very short article on the council of Rome held in 382 AD. The council decided on what writings were considered scriptures, inspiried by God, and should be included in the cannon (that’s the Bible to you folks).But, he doesn’t seem interested in expanding his horizons. If you talk him into reading that short article then I’ll hold my nose and view your nonsense. Deal? If you guys want us to read your stuff, you should be ready to read ours too…It’s only fair don’t you think?
 
Hey brother2: Are you ignoring the challenge:
I’ve been to SDA websites and viewed your propaganda before…Tell you what, I posted ern42 a link to a secular encyclopedia with a very short article on the council of Rome held in 382 AD. The council decided on what writings were considered scriptures, inspiried by God, and should be included in the cannon (that’s the Bible to you folks).But, he doesn’t seem interested in expanding his horizons. If you talk him into reading that short article then I’ll hold my nose and view your nonsense. Deal? If you guys want us to read your stuff, you should be ready to read ours too…It’s only fair don’t you think?
Hi greggy53…think we have met before…I’m actually watching one of your Marion Videos just this minute brother…very interesting…I will surely read anything you put up…can you give me the link??..

Course, the records the encyclopedia took its info from would have been a Catholic scource…yeah…no one else was around in 382ad to record…apart from yourselves so it will be according to the ‘one true church’ eh???:rolleyes:

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.👍
 
Pardon brother (name removed by moderator)??:confused:

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.
 
Thank you, for addmiting what I’ve been says all along…“The council decided on what writings were considered scriptures”. And the council wasn’t inspired by God. If it would have been, it wouldn’t off tried to change God’s law (Sabbath). I expand my horizons towards the Lord, not towards nonsense spoken by fools. So don’t worry about holding your nose.:eek:

In Revelation 12:17, are the two-point description Jesus gave of His end-time remnant church?

It would keep all the Ten Commandments, including the seventh-day Sabbath of the fourth commandment (John 14:15; Revelation 22:14). It also would have the “testimony of Jesus”, which the Bible tells us is the spirit of prophecy (Revelation 19:10).
 
Thank you, for addmiting what I’ve been says all along…“The council decided on what writings were considered scriptures”. And the council wasn’t inspired by God. If it would have been, it wouldn’t off tried to change God’s law (Sabbath). I expand my horizons towards the Lord, not towards nonsense spoken by fools. So don’t worry about holding your nose.:eek:

In Revelation 12:17, are the two-point description Jesus gave of His end-time remnant church?

It would keep all the Ten Commandments, including the seventh-day Sabbath of the fourth commandment (John 14:15; Revelation 22:14). It also would have the “testimony of Jesus”, which the Bible tells us is the spirit of prophecy (Revelation 19:10).
You sound like Spock…sounds so logical brother…ever heard of the cartoon with the man with the devil on one shoulder and our Lord on the other??? Surely the cannon was inspired by our Lord…tho they thought more about it later and ‘added’ to God’s Word which our Lord warns against…yeah???😦

As for later changing the Sabbath…that’s where the demon came into his own…power was the reason for that yeah…we, ‘the one true church’ have the power to change God’s Sabbath, therefore, we will…evidence of our power…which had gone to their heads by then…🤷

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.😉
 
God will judge you and anyone else that doesn’t do his will. I don’t judge anybody. That’s what the Bible teaches.
Let me get this right. God worte 10 commandments with HIS finger. The fourth one, he says…“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” Exodus 20:8-11… “And the Lord delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God.” Deuteronomy 9:10.
But you state that God had a change of heart! He now says, don’t remember the Sabbath day, instead keep Sunday holy. Yeah O.K.👍
Buddy, ask the Lord to help you understand that GOD doesn’t change. If your statement would be true, then the Lord makes mistakes. First he tells us Sabbath then Sunday, and in the future he might change the day again, because he didn’t get it right on the previous two occations. Come on… Wake up. The truth is in the Bible all you need to do, is desire to understand it. God can help you understand if you allow him too.

Ask yourself, Why didn’t he include the Sabbath in the book of Moises, if it was for the Jews, like all the other Jews laws? Why did he include it in the 10 COMMANDMENTS WRITTEN BY HIS FINGER.😉
 
God will judge you and anyone else that doesn’t do his will. I don’t judge anybody. That’s what the Bible teaches.
Let me get this right. God worte 10 commandments with HIS finger. The fourth one, he says…“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” Exodus 20:8-11… “And the Lord delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God.” Deuteronomy 9:10.
But you state that God had a change of heart! He now says, don’t remember the Sabbath day, instead keep Sunday holy. Yeah O.K.👍
Buddy, ask the Lord to help you understand that GOD doesn’t change. If your statement would be true, then the Lord makes mistakes. First he tells us Sabbath then Sunday, and in the future he might change the day again, because he didn’t get it right on the previous two occations. Come on… Wake up. The truth is in the Bible all you need to do, is desire to understand it. God can help you understand if you allow him too.

Ask yourself, Why didn’t he include the Sabbath in the book of Moises, if it was for the Jews, like all the other Jews laws? Why did he include it in the 10 COMMANDMENTS WRITTEN BY HIS FINGER.😉
:amen::blessyou:

AMEN BROTHER AMEN BROTHER!!! Praise the Lord for honest Bible believing Christians!!!:clapping:

Shalom. May God bless all here. Michael.👍
 
Richard: Here is plenty of Scriptural proof for you that the Word of the Lord is not limited to the written word.
I certainly have not suggested that every word of the Lord is written down in the bible. I don’t have a problem admitting that. It’s you next statement that I have a huge problem with.
And that because of that, we cannot be saved by the written word or necessarily brought into communion with Christ only through the written word as you have suggested.
What you are saying here is that because every word that Jesus spoke is not written down. The words that are written down are not sufficient to introduce us to Christ. This doesn’t even make a little sense. and if it is correct it makes Jesus a liar.

Jn.5:37And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
41I receive not honour from men.
42But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
43I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
44How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
In v. 38 Jesus accuses his listener of not having the word abiding in them because they believe not in Him the word made flesh. In v. 39 Jesus tells them to seach the scriptures for in them they think they have eternal life and the scriptures that tell them they can obtain eternal life are the ones that talk of Him. Let, me ask you HC what more is there, what more do we need than the introduction to eternal life. Notice what Jesus says in vs.45-47 Jesus is not going to accuse them, But Moses is. The one they trust accuses them of being sinners, through the law. It is Moses the one they trust that did what. Wrote of Jesus. And in v. 47 But if you believe not Moses what? Writings. You won’t believe Him. The WORD made flesh.

I don’t think that I need to go through all these. I’ll just pick a few to make a few points.
Mark 13:31 -
Mark 16:15 -
Mark 3:14; 16:15 -Luke 10:16 -
Luke 24:47 -
Acts 2:3-4 -
I have no problem with the idea that the apostles preached the gospel. Of coarse they preached. It’s when you say that what they were preaching was somehow different or more complete better than the written word that I have a problem with.
Acts 15:27 - Judas and Silas, successors to the apostles, were sent to bring God’s infallible Word by “word of mouth.”
Actually Judas and Silas were contemporaries of the apostles. Silas even preached with Paul for a time. Acts 15 talks about the first General Conferance meeting of the Seventh Day Adventist Church and in it some of the Apostles And other stalwarts of the church come together to discuss the question of whether or not people had to become Jews (be circumcized, keep the Levitical law) before they could become Christians.
10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Acts15:11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
12Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
13And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
14Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
15And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
16After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
17That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
18Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
19Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Notice v. 11. What they are preaching is salvation through the gift (grace) of God in His Son Jesus Christ. NOTHING ELSE.
 
Rom. 10:8 - the Word is near you, on your lips and in your heart, which is the word of faith which is preached (not just written).
It’s interesting that you would use this text and take it completely out of context. Let’s put it back in and see what we get.
Romans 10
  1. 1Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
  2. 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
    3For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
    (Paul is saying here that the Jews have a zealousness for God , but it is misplaced. They think that they can do it themselves.)
    4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
    (Christ and His righteousness is the only way.)
    5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
    (Again here Moses describes the righteousness of the law. And where does Moses discribe this righteousness? In scripture (the written word of coarse). Which means that if our righteousness is going to be by the law we have to keep the law. In other words be perfect. This we cannot do of ourselves. Romans 3:23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;)
    6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
    7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
    8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
    (This v. Is a reference back to v. 6. To the righteousness that is by faith. What is nigh thee? Well it’s the word, the word of faith that they preach.)
    9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    (What they are preaching is the gospel message contained in the bible)
    10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    **11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. **12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
    (It says here the scripture saith. In other words they are preaching the gospel that is contained in SCRIPTURE.)
    13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    14How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
    15And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
    16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? (What gospel do you think it is talking about here in Isaiah? Is it not the gospel of Jesus Christ and is not this gospel written down?)
    **17So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. **
    (“hearing by the word of God” The word both written and preached there is no difference.)
    18But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
    19But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
    20But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
    21But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
 
Hi, Richard,

Hold on a minute … you were doing fine … until your last sentence…and I to take this statement literally…:rolleyes:
Again you trry to tell me what I believe. I trust Jesus and His word.
So, tell me, Richard, if this is the case, then why is there such dispute over these three scripural items:

1.) Jesus required Baptism to fully recognized as His followers. (Matt 28, and Mark 16Jesus clearly told the apostles to baptize their disciples) But, many Protestants dispute this claiming it is un-necessary, an option or some other mere ritual.

2.) Jesus has given us His very Flesh and Blood to eat (John 6 sets the basis, Matt 26, Mark 14, and Luke 28. The go to 1Cor 10, 1Cor 11, Acts 2, and Rev 5 for further confirmation on what Chat has done for those who believe. But Protestants dispute this by claiming this is all a misunderstanding. If this were the case - then Jesus was in error when He said He was food in eight separate occasions, then the Apostles got it wrong for continuing on what He said - then the Early Church Fathers got it wrong since they were taught by the Apostles and all of those closest in time and and place to Christ have been laboring under this ‘misurndestanding’. We are to believe we had to wait until the 16th Century to get this right? I think not.

3.) Jesus has given men the delegated Power of God to forgive sin (John 20). Bur Protestants dispute this by claiming this is not necessary - they claim to go directly to God, when Christ Himself pointed out the Way He wanted was not this.

Truly, when it comes to being literal, there seems to be a real Protestant problem with taking the plain text and making a plan application. To claim this is not your interpretation shows up still another problem - personal interpretation has lead to nothing but personal error. You know, Christ said a lot of things - and the Pharisees heard his Words and misinterpreted them. What is plain is that there is a long and established history of misunderstanding the Words of Christ. What is really needed is a inerrant Guide to understand the inerrant Words of God. Fortunately, we have such a Guide - and that would be the Catholic Church.

God bless
 
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