Seventh Day Adventists

[Rexpi]

From what I have read about the SDA , and reading between the lines, I think that the
Millerites were repudiated.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

Whats the point in keep showing you guys Bible when you put men before that… if you reckon we are like bricks, I’m happy for that coz I dont follow men traditions, but the only source of my faith is the bible.

As for Ellen White I would tell you that you better read what she says before saying whatever someone told you about her… the only thing reading her book makes is to get more and more interested in the bible.

I dont want to fight about God’s word, I just tried to show what is written in it.

 

[greggy53]

Whats the point in keep showing you guys Bible when you put men before that… if you reckon we are like bricks, I’m happy for that coz I dont follow men traditions, but the only source of my faith is the bible.

As for Ellen White I would tell you that you better read what she says before saying whatever someone told you about her… the only thing reading her book makes is to get more and more interested in the bible.

I dont want to fight about God’s word, I just tried to show what is written in it.

That is the point. We know what the Bible says, and we know what interpretations of it we believe, and why we believe it. You believe in your own interpretation of it. So I would ask the SDA’s out there not to accuse Catholics of not knowing the Bible. It’s not true. You can say that we interpret it differently, but please don’t bear false witness against us by saying we follow the “traditions of men”. We can throw the same accusations back at you. It all depends on your interpretation of scripture

About Ms White: She did make several “prophesies” that did not happen. It is a historical record anyone read. Her head was injured and she spent time in a coma. When she came out of the coma she started to have her delusions. This is a historical, verifiable record. You accuse us of following the traditions of men. You are following the traditions of a sick delusional woman.

 

[Javl]

Whats the point in keep showing you guys Bible when you put men before that… if you reckon we are like bricks, I’m happy for that coz I dont follow men traditions, but the only source of my faith is the bible.

As for Ellen White I would tell you that you better read what she says before saying whatever someone told you about her… the only thing reading her book makes is to get more and more interested in the bible.

I dont want to fight about God’s word, I just tried to show what is written in it.

The only traditions we follow are that of Jesus Christ and His Apostles. Everything the Catholic Church does or says is in, and backed up by, scripture. You accuse Catholics for following the traditions of men, yet you do the same. Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones.

I have read Ellen White’s writings and it is nothing more than what has been repeated over and over since the Reformation, except for her so-called prophecies, which proved false, and the idea of soul-sleep which is supported nowhere in scripture. If I were you, I would re-examine the teachings of the SDA.

God Bless

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[bodigzig]

Hi, Bodigzig,

You are not the only one who is confused… Let’s see if we can at least get the players straight…

God bless

I’m sorry, I meant to have the part about joining SDA in quotes from the other person, I was simply responding. I don’t attend regularly, but I’m Catholic through and through!

I have absolutely no interest in joining any cult started by some woman (or man) that claims to be the new source of the Word of God (such as this woman who serves the devil) has done. Anyone that usurps the Bible (you will notice I use upper-case ‘B’ when referring to the Catholic Bible, and lower-case ‘b’ when referring to rewrites and edited ones like the king james version) is a servant of satan and will be refused a seat at God’s table!

I’m sorry, but we are spinning our wheels and serving no purpose in our discussion with (was he calling himself Paul?) a SDA convert that has the words of Jesus and says “I think he was speaking metaphorically.” If you have provided contextualized verse from the Bible and someone responds with “Make Believe!” then you have done all that the Lord has asked of you to do, and furthur discussion is conversing with the snake on the vine.

The followers turned from Jesus and returned to their former lives when told they must eat his flesh and drink his blood, and Jesus DID NOT ATTEMPT TO GET THEM TO RETURN; you must follow Jesus and end the discussion with “God Bless, Paul.” He has a new god, that woman that claims providence over the Bible.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Bodigzig,

Welcome to the list… It is great to see new folks - especially when they jump right in and get involved.

I’m sorry, I meant to have the part about joining SDA in quotes from the other person, I was simply responding. I don’t attend regularly, but I’m Catholic through and through!

I have absolutely no interest in joining any cult started by some woman (or man) that claims to be the new source of the Word of God (such as this woman who serves the devil) has done. Anyone that usurps the Bible (you will notice I use upper-case ‘B’ when referring to the Catholic Bible, and lower-case ‘b’ when referring to rewrites and edited ones like the king james version) is a servant of satan and will be refused a seat at God’s table!

I’m sorry, but we are spinning our wheels and serving no purpose in our discussion with (was he calling himself Paul?) a SDA convert that has the words of Jesus and says “I think he was speaking metaphorically.” If you have provided contextualized verse from the Bible and someone responds with “Make Believe!” then you have done all that the Lord has asked of you to do, and furthur discussion is conversing with the snake on the vine.

The followers turned from Jesus and returned to their former lives when told they must eat his flesh and drink his blood, and Jesus DID NOT ATTEMPT TO GET THEM TO RETURN; you must follow Jesus and end the discussion with “God Bless, Paul.” He has a new god, that woman that claims providence over the Bible.

Yes, that ‘metaphorical’ comment by the SDA poster caught me by surprise, too… what a truly strange thing to say. So, if you don’t believe but want to claim that you believe your bible - just wave the ‘metaphorical flag’ and it resolves the problem…? What a really interesting approach… I don’t think it will hold up too well when those ‘metaphorical flag wavers’ stand befor ethe White Throne of judgment.

Welcome to the list.

God bless

 

[happilycatholic]

The only traditions we follow are that of Jesus Christ and His Apostles. Everything the Catholic Church does or says is in, and backed up by, scripture. You accuse Catholics for following the traditions of men, yet you do the same. Those that live in glass houses should not throw stones.

I have read Ellen White’s writings and it is nothing more than what has been repeated over and over since the Reformation, except for her so-called prophecies, which proved false, and the idea of soul-sleep which is supported nowhere in scripture. If I were you, I would re-examine the teachings of the SDA.

God Bless

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

Amen. There is nothing wrong with following the Traditions of the right men. Afterall, Christ and His Apostles were human beings, men. The problem comes in when you follow Traditions that are a.) not backed up by Scripture and b.) from those not in authority to pass on said Traditions.

So yes, we follow Traditions, as Javl states here. And NOT those that are made up by false prophets by interpreting Scripture to their benefit to gain a following of their own.

Blessings,

HC

 

[Javl]

As a point of interest, I notice that there has been no comment or reply to any of our posts. Maybe they hit home, I pray that they did. But then, again, they may be totaly ignored and the thread has ended as far as the SDA are concerned.

It is truly very hard to face the truth when you have been proven wrong.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[walker_p]

Javl;5713412:

I would like to ask: If SDA Church follows the law, then why does it not follow the FULL
LAW as given in Leviticus and Numbers? Or is the SDA Church also a “Cafeteria” Church?

I’m a Seventh Day Adventist and your question is a good question but thanks God He gave us enough light in His word to know the answer… Maybe this will help you to understand why we believe this…

You know that God gave His law, the one He wrote in the stones (10 commandments) and also you will notice He gave Moses specific instructions for His people in regards to the sacrifices and ceremonies in His Sanctuary (where the sacrifices where made for the forgiveness of their sins) and so these called Ceremonial laws and festivities (Which were pretty much a shadow of the real things… a type and anti type… like the lamb in the sacrifice and Jesus the perfect lamb) Anyways, when Jesus died you see that the veil in the temple (Sanctuary) was torn apart from top to bottom (Mat 27:51), why? Because all the ceremonial laws of the sanctuary were “nailed” to the cross but not the Ten commandments. When Jesus died He was that spotless lamb that was sacrificed in the sanctuary but the difference was that this time it was a perfect sacrificed, Jesus blood shed in the cross for the remission of our sins so we dont have to kill lambs anymore since a perfect blood, sinless blood was shed and thanks to Jesus and His amazing plan of salvation we now have the opportunity to be save through Him, just by accepting His sacrifice. Thats why we dont keep following the ceremonial laws, but of course the 10 commandments still nowadays. An interesting thing maybe you dont know but reading the sanctuary you will see that in the holy of holies (the second apartment of the sanctuary) there was the Ark of the covenant having inside the 10 commandments written by God, a plate with mana (the food that God sent to His people) and Aarons rod and outside the ark was a pocket where the ceremonial law (or moses law) was kept… interesting no? the difference in between those laws…
Its a lot to talk about in regards the sanctuary but I would recommend it to you and to everyone since it can help us to understand more all the things that God does for us, because He just loves us!

So again, good question since I know many people didnt know nothing about it… and thats also why we still keeping the Sabbath, the seventh day obviously different that our brothers the Jews since thay still keeping the ceremonial part of the law or the festivities.

I hope that helpd with your question

Have a good day:thumbsup:

Jesus founded the Church in the first century on Peter (Kepha in Aramaic). He did not found the Church in the 19th century on the false prophet and plagiarist Ellen Gould White. The sabbath was a ceremonial law. It no longer applies. Period. The sabbath never applied to Gentiles and it no longer even applies to Jews. The Seventh Day Adventist Church is chock full of false doctrines. The sabbath is only one of many, many false teachings of the SDA Church.

 

[walker_p]

Please explain these vs. then Matt 11:28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Jn12:32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Jesus is calling all men unto Him espesially sinners. He wants sinners to come to Him and all men are sinners Rom. 3:23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
To recieve communion unworthily is to recieve it in an uncareing and flippant manner.

Which is what you and other Protestants do since you deny Christ’s own words concerning communion. You prefer your traditions of men over the truth that Christ offers you. You are acting like the unbelieving Jews. Try to act like Peter and the other Apostles. To receive communion unworthily is to receive it while conscious of mortal sin. Explain what verses? This makes no sense. Explain verses that were given to you by the Catholic Church? Again, protestants like to play verse games by listing unrelated verses and pretending they are making a point. This is an old protestant trick to deceive people.

 

[walker_p]

The truth is that the 4th Commandment is part of God’s Law! So not only I’m a going to give you many versus that say exactly that, but I’m also going to include many more verses OT & NT that specifically mention the Sabbath as part of God Law and specifically his (God) holy day of rest. By the way the KJV of the Bible is one of or the most commonly used Bibles in the world, that’s where I’m getting my texts…

A- (LAW - 10 Commandments)
1- “Sin is the transgression of the law.” 1 John 3:4.
2- “The wages of sin is death.” Romans 6:23.
3- “He shall destroy the sinners.” Isaiah 13:9.
4- “Whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.” James 2:10.
5- “It is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.” Luke 16:17
6- “My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.” Psalms 89:34
7- “All his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever.” Psalms 111:7, 8.
8- “Think not that I am come to destroy the law. … I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. … Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Matthew 5:17, 18.
9- “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.” Romans 3:20.
10- “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:8, 9.

B- (Sabbath as part of the 10 Commandments) (OT & NT)
Ask yourself? Are the Ten Commandments of God reaffirmed in the New Testament?

Yes, and very clearly so. Look the following over very carefully.

THE LAW OF GOD IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THE LAW OF GOD IN THE OLD TESTAMENT
NT1. “Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” Matthew 4:10. OT1. “Thou shalt have no other gods before me.” Exodus 20:3.
NT2. “Little children, keep yourselves from idols.” 1 John 5:21.
NT2 “Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.” Acts 17:29. OT2. “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.” Exodus 20:4-6.
NT3. “That the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.” 1 Timothy 6:1. 3.
OT"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain." Exodus 20:7.
NT4. “For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.” “There remaineth therefore a rest “keeping of a sabbath,” margin] to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.” Hebrews 4:4, 9, 10.
OT4. “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” Exodus 20:8-11.
NT5. “Honour thy father and thy mother.” Matthew 19:19.
OT5. “Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.” Exodus 20:12.
NT6. “Thou shalt not kill.” Romans 13:9.
OT6. “Thou shalt not kill.” Exodus 20:13.
NT7. “Thou shalt not commit adultery.” Matthew 19:18.
OT7. “Thou shalt not commit adultery.” Exodus 20:14.
NT8. “Thou shalt not steal.” Romans 13:9.
OT8. “Thou shalt not steal.” Exodus 20:15.
NT9. “Thou shalt not bear false witness.” Romans 13:9.
OT9. “Thou shalt not bear false winess against thy neighbour.” Exodus 20:16.
NT10. “Thou shalt not covet.” Romans 7:7.
OT10. “Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is thy neighbour’s.” Exodus 20:17.

C - (Let me explain the difference for you, between “Jews” laws and the Law of God)

Moses’ law was the temporary, ceremonial law of the Old Testament. It regulated the priesthood, sacrifices, rituals, meat and drink offerings, etc., all of which foreshadowed the cross. This law was added “till the seed should come,” and that seed was Christ (Galatians 3:16, 19). The ritual and ceremony of Moses’ law pointed forward to Christ’s sacrifice. When He died, this law came to an end, but the Ten Commandments (God’s law) “stand fast for ever and ever.” Psalms 111:8. That there are two laws is made crystal clear in Daniel 9:10, 11.

God’s law has existed at least as long as sin has existed. The Bible says, “Where no law is, there is no transgression [or sin].” Romans 4:15. So God’s Ten Commandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law (sinned–1 John 3:4). Because of sin (or breaking God’s law), Moses’ law was given (or “added”–Galatians 3:16, 19) till Christ should come and die. Two separate laws are involved: God’s law and Moses’ law.

D- (MOSES’ LAW “Jewish Laws [JL]” & GOD’S LAW [GL])

JL - Called “the law of Moses” (Luke 2:22).
GL - Called “the law of the Lord” (Isaiah 5:24).
JL - Called “law … contained in ordinances” (Ephesians 2:15).
GL - Called “the royal law” (James 2:8).
JL - Written by Moses in a book (2 Chronicles 35:12).
GL - Written by God on stone (Exodus 31:18; 32:16).
JL - Placed in the side of the ark (Deuteronomy 31:26).
GL - Placed inside the ark (Exodus 40:20).
JL - Ended at the cross (Ephesians 2:15).
G
So as you can see and read, your challange has been met!

By the way… Please feel free to give me ONE verse in the Bible that tells me to keep Sunday instead of the established Sabbath which is holy to God. I will continue to wait!!!

Love Ern!

No, the challenge has not been met. You have failed. Show me a single verse in the entire Bible - given to you by the Catholic Church - that requires me to keep Saturnday holy. The ten commandments were given to Moses and the Jews at that time. As Moses himself says, their ancestors knew nothing about the 10 commandments. The sabbath was never binding on Gentiles. It was a temporary, ceremonial law. The sabbath is not even binding on Jews anymore. Period.

 

[walker_p]

Read Colossians chapter 2. Read 2nd Corinthians chapter 3. The sabbath is not reiterated in the New Testament because it was nailed to the cross. The Bible does not say that the 10 commandments existed from the beginning. That is false Seventh Day Adventist teaching, which is contradicted by Moses himself. Does God have any commandments besides the 10? Here is a hint for you: Yes He does! Which of the 10 commandments did Adam and Eve break? By the way, Adam and Eve did not keep your precious Saturday holy. Show me a single verse in the Bible that requires me, a Gentile, to keep Saturday holy - instead of Sunday, which was established circa A.D. 33 by Jesus’ Apostles in accordance with the authority given to them by Christ Himself. I will be waiting!!!

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Javl,

Don’t lose heart… we are doing the right thing - spreading the Truth of Christ through love.

As a point of interest, I notice that there has been no comment or reply to any of our posts. Maybe they hit home, I pray that they did. But then, again, they may be totaly ignored and the thread has ended as far as the SDA are concerned.

It is truly very hard to face the truth when you have been proven wrong.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

Response is their responsibility - and with the ball in their court, that is for them to decide on their next play.

God bless

 

[Javl]

It’s been quite a while since the SDAs commented on our remarks. They haven’t even answered our questions. I guess they can’t stand to be proven wrong and listen to the truth, so might as well close this thread.

As I said before, it’s very difficult for them to face the truth and admit that they are wrong.
Let us pray for them. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Javl,

Don’t lose heart … it could have been much worse … we could have been holding our breath waiting for them to get around to responding!

It’s been quite a while since the SDAs commented on our remarks. They haven’t even answered our questions. I guess they can’t stand to be proven wrong and listen to the truth, so might as well close this thread.

As I said before, it’s very difficult for them to face the truth and admit that they are wrong.
Let us pray for them. God Bless.

God bless

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

God bless

 

[happilycatholic]

Oh wait…I can breathe?

 

[Bill_Pick]

It’s been quite a while since the SDAs commented on our remarks. They haven’t even answered our questions. I guess they can’t stand to be proven wrong and listen to the truth, so might as well close this thread.

As I said before, it’s very difficult for them to face the truth and admit that they are wrong.
Let us pray for them. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

As much as the SDA dislike us Cathloics I am not believing they would come to a Cathloic board.

 

[greggy53]

You gotta figure that they started asking their leaders or preachers a lot of the difficult questions, and responses we have posed to them. They have probably have been told not to converse any further with us lest they be contaminated by our doctrine.

 

[Bill_Pick]

You gotta figure that they started asking their leaders or preachers a lot of the difficult questions, and responses we have posed to them. They have probably have been told not to converse any further with us lest they be contaminated by our doctrine.

Well you may be right thats what the JW do

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Bill,

Well, I think we have honestly discused and debated the major issues of the SDAs … unless anyone can think of something we have missed.

Well you may be right thats what the JW do

I find it sad that an adult would be told not to continue participating on this list. They would pose questions or make statements and would receive scriptural based responses - to which they simply claimed that we got it wrong…Ellen got it right…and that is all there is to it.

My suggestion is that say a special prayer to the Holy Spirit for the SDAs that participated. If ever there was a need for the Gift of Understanding - this is such a time.

God bless

 

[Javl]

Hi, Bill,

Well, I think we have honestly discused and debated the major issues of the SDAs … unless anyone can think of something we have missed.

I find it sad that an adult would be told not to continue participating on this list. They would pose questions or make statements and would receive scriptural based responses - to which they simply claimed that we got it wrong…Ellen got it right…and that is all there is to it.

My suggestion is that say a special prayer to the Holy Spirit for the SDAs that participated. If ever there was a need for the Gift of Understanding - this is such a time.

God bless

Yes, I agree. We won’t get any more response from them, so might as well pack up and
leave. It’s very sad. Bye all and God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem