Seventh-day Sabbath Questions And Answers

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planter654 said:
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Joel have you ever been on the web site on google called the " “Hebrews of Africa” first one, once on site at top of listings. I found it very interesting. You can also punch on that page on the side panels on both sides to read topic titles. I found it interesting. The Sabbath day comes in there to but I can not remember what page.

another one also called Israelite Heritage" on google. I wanted to know more about Hebrew etc and I found this. thanks

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Planter
No, those site names don’t look familar. Sidney Davis’s site?

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Merry Christmas to all that celebrate
 
After reading and understanding the bible a little bit more. Jesus said in the gospels that he is lord of the sabbath and his father works even on this day. Jesus is the passover, the slain lamb of God. Dan Chapter 9 verse 27 states that Christ would be killed mid week, that is the fourth day, meaning wednesday. Jesus was killed between 3PM to 6PM wednesday and resseructed saturday from 3PM to 6PM. Very simple to understand and read biblical scripture. I am catholic by birth,but I believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I got all this from a catholic bible mind you.
 
apple1

Jesus rose on the First day of the Week. Most calendars have this as Sunday.

this is what Daniel Chapter 9 Verse 27 says:

For one week he shall make a firm compact with the many; Half the week he shall abolish sacrifice and oblation; On the temple wing shall be the horrible abomination until the ruin that is decreed is poured out upon the horror."

How does that translate as dying on Wednesday. The bible also clearly stated that the Sabbath that week was to be a solemn one due to Passover. The Jewish sabbath is on Saturday, its not on a Thursday.
 
jediliz said:
apple1

Jesus rose on the First day of the Week. Most calendars have this as Sunday.

this is what Daniel Chapter 9 Verse 27 says:

For one week he shall make a firm compact with the many; Half the week he shall abolish sacrifice and oblation; On the temple wing shall be the horrible abomination until the ruin that is decreed is poured out upon the horror."

How does that translate as dying on Wednesday. The bible also clearly stated that the Sabbath that week was to be a solemn one due to Passover. The Jewish sabbath is on Saturday, its not on a Thursday.
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Thanks for reaching out to me.

My understanding is that Jesus is Jewish as was the liniage of Mary, the mother of Jesus whom is our God. According to exodus and deuteronomy, God commanded six days work and rest on the seventh day making this day a holy day and then declared seven other sabbaths known as high days or holy days, one being the passover. My catholic bible reads that Christ would be killed mid week. Daniel 9 verse 27.

He could not have risen on Sunday. If he was crucified on Friday afternoon from 3PM to 6PM and rose on Sunday the first day of the week before sunrise, (I say before sunrise because two angels appeared to mary not the mother of Jesus and the other Mary at the tomb and declared that Jesus had already risen. Meaning on Saturday because Jewish and God and Jesus count a day as 12 hours and night 12 hours from sundown one day to sundown the next.) That is not even two days in death. Jesus gave us a sign of Jonas being in the belly of the whale 3 days and three nights, that’s 72 hours. Friday 3PM to 6PM to Monday 3PM to 6PM is 72 hours.

Jewish people keep track of all the Sabbaths year to year and they would know that Thurday of the year Jesus was killed was a high day, The passover.

Jesus kept holy the Sabbaths from God, not like the Pharasis and the priests. Jesus said keep Gods commandments and his, Love one another as I have loved you.

PS. I have a bible before the church changed alot of wording in the bible.
 
Saturday is the Sabbath day…Sunday is “the Lord’s Day”…the First day of the New Creation.

Ceremonial requirements…including keeping the “sabbath” were fulfilled in Christ…He is our “Sabbath Rest”.
 
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Saturday is the Sabbath day…Sunday is “the Lord’s Day”…the First day of the New Creation.

Ceremonial requirements…including keeping the “sabbath” were fulfilled in Christ…He is our “Sabbath Rest”.
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Why Sunday. Who proclaimed Sunday to be sabbath day. Man or God. This is why we have problems. As Jesus said, priests and pharases make laws but dont keep them themselves.
Jesus attended sabbath scripture study and taught, so did the apostles, even the self proclaimed paul, who was a roman. Jesus would not void his fathers commandment and glorify himself.
 
apple1 said:
Why Sunday. Who proclaimed Sunday to be sabbath day. Man or God. This is why we have problems. As Jesus said, priests and pharases make laws but dont keep them themselves.
Jesus attended sabbath scripture study and taught, so did the apostles, even the self proclaimed paul, who was a roman. Jesus would not void his fathers commandment and glorify himself.
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Romans 14:5, 6: “One person esteems one day above another, another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it…”

Col 2:16 “16Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:”

Heb 4:9 “There remains…a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall.”

Christ is our Sabbath Rest…All ritual requirements are fulfilled in Him…the People of God do not esteem one day above another any longer…we now live in the First Day of the New Creation.
 
First let me say the English names for seventh day and first day of the week are of Pagan origin. Languages like Spanish and Italian called the Seventh Day Sabado and Sabato which in English would be translated as Sabbath. The first day of the the week in Spanish is Domingo and in Italian it is Domenica and both mean the Lord’s Day.

Acts 20:7 is very clear that the Eucharist was celebrated (disciples came together to break bread) on the first day of the week.

1 Cor. 16:2 it is also obvious this is referring to the collection at the liturgy and the verse states explicitly that it would occur on the first day of the week.

Rev. 1:10 it is also clear John “was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day,” which (as stated above) is Domingo, Domenica, etc. which in English is Sunday.

There is additional evidence for Sunday being the Holy Day in the first century.

The Didache (A.D. 70) “But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned”.

In the Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]“We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead”.

In the year 110 A.D. just barely out of the 1st century, St. Ignatius of Antioch wrote, “[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things * have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death” (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

We should also keep in mind that the early Christians were taught directly by the Apostles. St. Ignatius of Antioch (mentioned above) was the third Bishop of Antioch (St. Peter’s first see). Ignatius became Bishop of Antioch in 67 A.D. He is believed to have been appointed directly by Peter. Additionally, it is believed he was the disciple of John the Apostle. Finally, Ignatius was a martyr. In fact he wrote the above letter knowing he would soon be killed by the Romans. I sincerely doubt he would lie about the religion he was willing to die for.*
 
apple1 said:
PS. I have a bible before the church changed alot of wording in the bible.
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I’m curious about which bible you have, and also about the bible in which the wording is changed. Which versions are they?
 
Arguing with SDA’s gives me a headache. I argued with the fella from the BibleLight website for a week and it lead nowhere. Same garbage thrown out over and over again without a common sense answer for anything.

You would think common sense would prevail. A 2,000 year old Church versus a woman who came less than two hundred years ago and decided to found a new church. Hmmmm.

Every person for the last 2,000 years got it wrong until a couple of people less than 200 years ago had a brain storm and started doing things right versus a Church that has done basically the same thing for almost 2,000 years.

Go figure.
 
Excerpts from Wikipedia:

“The Catholic Church is among the oldest institutions in the world and has played a prominent role in the history of Western civilisation.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church

The Seventh-day Adventist Church (commonly abbreviated SDA,[2][3][4][5] officially abbreviated Adventist[6]) is a Christian denomination which is distinguished by its observance of Saturday,[7] the original seventh day of the Judeo-Christian week, as the Sabbath, and by its emphasis on the imminent Second Coming (Advent) of Jesus Christ. As of May 2007, it was the twelfth-largest religious body in the world,[8] and the sixth-largest highly international religious body.[9] The denomination grew out of the Millerite movement in the United States during the middle part of the 19th century and was formally established in 1863.[10] Among its founders was Ellen G. White, whose extensive writings are still held in high regard by the church today.[11]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-day_Adventist_Church

One of the oldest institutions in the world versus Ellen G. White…God gave us a brain for a reason.

Not only that, but the Bible itself which the SDA use to tear down the Church was given to it by the Church Herself. 🤷
 
Catholic41506 said:
Excerpts from Wikipedia:

“The Catholic Church is among the oldest institutions in the world and has played a prominent role in the history of Western civilisation.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church

The Seventh-day Adventist Church (commonly abbreviated SDA,[2][3][4][5] officially abbreviated Adventist[6]) is a Christian denomination which is distinguished by its observance of Saturday,[7] the original seventh day of the Judeo-Christian week, as the Sabbath, and by its emphasis on the imminent Second Coming (Advent) of Jesus Christ. As of May 2007, it was the twelfth-largest religious body in the world,[8] and the sixth-largest highly international religious body.[9] The denomination grew out of the Millerite movement in the United States during the middle part of the 19th century and was formally established in 1863.[10] Among its founders was Ellen G. White, whose extensive writings are still held in high regard by the church today.[11]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-day_Adventist_Church

One of the oldest institutions in the world versus Ellen G. White…God gave us a brain for a reason.

Not only that, but the Bible itself which the SDA use to tear down the Church was given to it by the Church Herself. 🤷
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And the bible (acts of the apostles) can only prove that the church is right. Indeed the Sabbath is on Saturday, but the apostles have shifted the worship to the Lord’s Day in order not to cause conflict witth the Jews. aka Sunday
 
Give me the EXACT BIBLE passage that says it was a Wednesday that Jesus died on (and that Daniel passage does not say Wednesday) Jesus died on the day before the JEWISH SABBATH…which is a Saturday. Therefore, he died on a FRIDAY. He had the Last Supper with his apostles on Thursday, the evening before he died.

He died at about 3 PM in the afternoon. They had to take the bodies down before the Sabbath began. That would have had to occurred before 6 PM or sunset. He would have been in the tomb for a few hours already on Friday. Then all day from Sunset Friday (beginning of Sabbath) to 6 PM on the Sabbath (2nd day). He rose sometime late in the night or early SUNDAY morning. He appeared to his apostles on the evening on the First Day of the Week.
 
PLAT said:
And the bible (acts of the apostles) can only prove that the church is right. Indeed the Sabbath is on Saturday, but the apostles have shifted the worship to the Lord’s Day in order not to cause conflict witth the Jews. aka Sunday
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I am Roman Catholic and I attend morning Mass on Saturday. I have a 1955 Catholic Bible
 
jediliz said:
Give me the EXACT BIBLE passage that says it was a Wednesday that Jesus died on (and that Daniel passage does not say Wednesday) Jesus died on the day before the JEWISH SABBATH…which is a Saturday. Therefore, he died on a FRIDAY. He had the Last Supper with his apostles on Thursday, the evening before he died.

He died at about 3 PM in the afternoon. They had to take the bodies down before the Sabbath began. That would have had to occurred before 6 PM or sunset. He would have been in the tomb for a few hours already on Friday. Then all day from Sunset Friday (beginning of Sabbath) to 6 PM on the Sabbath (2nd day). He rose sometime late in the night or early SUNDAY morning. He appeared to his apostles on the evening on the First Day of the Week.
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It says MIDWEEK. Jewish people back then as did Jesus and GOD in Gen. went by day one, two, three, four, five, six and seven. Todays people say Sunday is day one, Monday is day two,Tuesday is day three, Wednesday is day four ( MIDWEEK) Thursday is day five, Friday is day six and the sabbath day seven.
 
jediliz said:
apple1

Jesus rose on the First day of the Week. Most calendars have this as Sunday.

this is what Daniel Chapter 9 Verse 27 says:

For one week he shall make a firm compact with the many;
How does that translate as dying on Wednesday. The bible also clearly stated that the Sabbath that week was to be a solemn one due to Passover. The Jewish sabbath is on Saturday, its not on a Thursday.
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You just wrote it. " Half the week he shall abolish sacrifice and oblation; On the temple wing shall be the horrible abomination until the ruin that is decreed is poured out upon the horror."
Jesus is our sacrifice and oblation.
 
apple1 said:
It says MIDWEEK. Jewish people back then as did Jesus and GOD in Gen. went by day one, two, three, four, five, six and seven. Todays people say Sunday is day one, Monday is day two,Tuesday is day three, Wednesday is day four ( MIDWEEK) Thursday is day five, Friday is day six and the sabbath day seven.
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Note that opinion is not looked upon here as good evidence. Please provide a citation for this interpretation of the ancient Jews understanding of the days of the week and what midweek means.

Could not this be the case as well?

Sunday beginning of week ----- Mon, Tue, Wed, Thurs, Fri Midweek ----- Saturday end of week.

Daniel may say midweek but the Gospels say the day before the Sabath as demonstrated earlier. I will stick with the Church teaching from the apostles and go with Sunday, that’s when the Church has all the Masses anyway. They only have one or two on Saturday and mostly early in the morning or late in the evening. 🙂
 
DCNBILL said:
Note that opinion is not looked upon here as good evidence. Please provide a citation for this interpretation of the ancient Jews understanding of the days of the week and what midweek means.

Could not this be the case as well?

Sunday beginning of week ----- Mon, Tue, Wed, Thurs, Fri Midweek ----- Saturday end of week.

Daniel may say midweek but the Gospels say the day before the Sabath as demonstrated earlier. I will stick with the Church teaching from the apostles and go with Sunday, that’s when the Church has all the Masses anyway. They only have one or two on Saturday and mostly early in the morning or late in the evening. 🙂
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If day 4 isnt clear enough that it is midweek, then I can’t make you accept it. Even the Church Gospels Say " two angels spoke to mary exclaiming on the early dawn first day of the week that Jesus is already risen. dawn is not sunrise as the church says Jesus rose. Their are other proofs in the gospels if you read them clearly, But I leave that up to you.
I only stated that I attend saturday mass, because keeping holy the fourth commandment and at least attending mass on the sabbath is important for me. It aso lets me know that my own church (Roman Catholic) recognizes the sabbath day.🙂
 
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