Several Questions about Confession

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Just wondering, suppose that I confessed a certain mortal sin in a valid Confession. Later on, I realized that it had been done with holy images present. Do I need to confess this circumstance the next time I go to Confession? Are there any other circumstances that need to be confessed, even if the sin itself is already confessed?

Also, if I didn’t get the numbering right at my last Confession, do I need to confess this? Are “often,” “several times,” or “habitually” acceptable ways of numbering? Should I assume that they are unless the priest asks for something more specific?

If I think that I confessed a sin, but am not sure, should I re-confess it to be safe?

Thanks!
 
Just wondering, suppose that I confessed a certain mortal sin in a valid Confession. Later on, I realized that it had been done with holy images present. Do I need to confess this circumstance the next time I go to Confession? Are there any other circumstances that need to be confessed, even if the sin itself is already confessed?

Also, if I didn’t get the numbering right at my last Confession, do I need to confess this? Are “often,” “several times,” or “habitually” acceptable ways of numbering? Should I assume that they are unless the priest asks for something more specific?

If I think that I confessed a sin, but am not sure, should I re-confess it to be safe?

Thanks!
The mere fact of Holy Images being present when one commits a mortal sin is not a circumstance that needs be confessed (one is in ones home I imagine and that is where one keeps such). And realizing ANY circumstance AFTER one sins…does not add to the sin.

The kind of circumstance that you need to confess for mortal sin…is the kind that CHANGES the sin…makes it worse (or perhaps less bad)…such as if you murder YOUR BROTHER then you need to confess that it was your brother that you murdered.
For the murder of ones family member is a different murder than that of a non-family member.

Or if you steak a gold cup…and it is a Chalice from the Church! then that would need to be said…for then it is not just theft of a gold cup …but sacrilege.

AND to bring it back to the first part…if the person you murdered …you did not know it was your brother at the time…there is no need to say it was when you later find out that the man you murdered was your brother…for you did not know it at the time.

As to number. Yes we need to give number and kind for all mortal sins…(and the circumstances that change the sin as noted above should be mentioned they effect the kind of sin…but not unnecessary details).

If after you examine your conscience you know it was 10 times…then yes you are obliged to say so. If you do not know how many…then one can approximate (giving the info one can)…it was around 3-5 times…or it was around say 2x a week for a year…or you may need to say a few times …or many times if need be…one does what one can…no worries.

If you one says though that you murdered 2x but later realize it was 10 (a greater number) …then you in your next confession say that you said 2 but it should have been 10.

(it is our responsibility to examine our conscience…well but reasonably–and give our results…the Priest can not read minds and he is likely to assume if you approximate that you do not know the number but are doing what you can…one should of course not scruple either…)

Forgetting a mortal sin…or making a mistake about the number is does not invalidate things…but when one remembers one mentions it in the next confession.

Also I should note that those out there with scruples or scrupulosity need to not scruple about confession…but have a regular confessor to help them…
 
Just wondering, suppose that I confessed a certain mortal sin in a valid Confession. !
not even reading your questions because they are none of my business and should be addressed to your priest during confession. If he needs more info he will ask. he usually needs just the headlines, not the whole story
 
If I think that I confessed a sin, but am not sure, should I re-confess it to be safe?

Thanks!
Oh as to this question.

If it was a mortal sin and one does not have a difficulty with scruples…it can be recommended or important to confess it when one doubts it was confessed.

If one is scrupulous or has a difficulty with scruples…the advice often given is that one not go back and do so…unless they are certain that it was a mortal sin and *certain *that it was not confessed (in number and kind)…

( a scrupulous person can go digging and try to re-confess all sorts of things…just out of fear or compulsion…or unreasonable worry)

One can ask ones confessor for direction.
 
I have never had a Priest ask me for a specific number of times a sin was committed. Like suppose I confess to the sin of Lusting after another, I have never been asked, how many times did you lust for him/her. Or the sin of masturbation, I have never been asked “how often” or “What do you think about”…OMGosh!!! I would totally die of embarrassment if a Priest ever asked for the details.

I think that if the Priest needs more information in order to give a proper penance and grant absolution he will prompt you for more details
 
I have never had a Priest ask me for a specific number of times a sin was committed.

I think that if the Priest needs more information in order to give a proper penance and grant absolution he will prompt you for more details
It is our responsibility (our obligation!) to give the number and kind for mortal sins (has been the case for centuries…)

Canon Law:

Can. 988 §1. A member of the Christian faithful is obliged to confess in kind and number all grave sins committed after baptism and not yet remitted directly through the keys of the Church nor acknowledged in individual confession, of which the person has knowledge after diligent examination of conscience.

§2. It is recommended to the Christian faithful that they also confess venial sins.

And if we honestly omit them (like we forget them or did not know we were to do this etc) we need to still do so in the next confession once we realize it (as we reasonably can…sometimes one must approximate)

If one does not give a number the Priest likely assumes it was 1x.
 
Just wondering, suppose that I confessed a certain mortal sin in a valid Confession. Later on, I realized that it had been done with holy images present. Do I need to confess this circumstance the next time I go to Confession? Are there any other circumstances that need to be confessed, even if the sin itself is already confessed?

Also, if I didn’t get the numbering right at my last Confession, do I need to confess this? Are “often,” “several times,” or “habitually” acceptable ways of numbering? Should I assume that they are unless the priest asks for something more specific?

If I think that I confessed a sin, but am not sure, should I re-confess it to be safe?

Thanks!
Confession is the renewable source of inexhaustible grace.

If you feel that you need to confess…more - then return to confession. But this time talk to the priest as if you were posting on “Catholic Answers Forum”.

Why be clear on this forum but murky in confession?

You get the picture, I’m sure.

Bless you child.
 
he usually needs just the headlines, not the whole story
I love how you put that. My son often asked how much detail to give. I have always told him, as much as the priest wants. But this sums it up nicely. 👍
 
Canon Law:

Can. 988 §1. A member of the Christian faithful is obliged to confess in kind and number all grave sins committed after baptism and not yet remitted directly through the keys of the Church nor acknowledged in individual confession, of which the person has knowledge after diligent examination of conscience.

§2. It is recommended to the Christian faithful that they also confess venial sins.
Fine, but you haven’t quoted where in Canon Law it says that the penitent must revisit the “number of times” (of a committed mortal sin) of a past confession, when he or she realizes later the number was inaccurate. What must be revisited is the category (kind) of the forgotten grievous sin, not the number of the sin – unless, again, there was a portion of that previous confession that addressed number overtly. (Priest asked about frequency, and/or frequency was an essential part of the counseling given.)

A mortal sin is just as mortal if it is committed only once as when it has been committed more than once. It does not add to the gravity of that sin to have committed it several times. It indicates repetitive behavior, but does not change the seriousness of the sin. That is why the previous confession does not need to be revisited specifically for the quantitative aspect. The only exception – again – is for two reasons: (1) 'Father, I erred last time with regard to number of times. You said that you were glad I had committed this sin no more than once. I now remember I had committed it three times. I thought you should know that." or (2) “Father, although you did not inquire about number of times I committed ________ [serious sin], I realize now that I should have told you that I’ve been doing ______ several times a week/a day (etc.). It wasn’t just once, and this time also, it’s not just once, so I know I have a problem with this.”

So in one example I just gave, it’s to correct a misimpression that was specifically discussed in that previous confession (i.e., frequency). In the second example, it’s a matter that the penitent is bringing up for some prudent counseling: the penitent is choosing to use (appropriately) the sacrament for spiritual counseling.

Otherwise, if the priest does not bring up the matter of frequency when the penitent doesn’t offer it, it is not necessary to revisit that confession for quantity reasons because it has been judged not important by the priest.

It invites scrupulosity to suggest that penitents should revisit confessions for non-canonical reasons.

In order of importance, the important elements of this sacrament, on the part of the penitent, are:
(1) The quality of the contrition. That is not only stated specifically in the Catechism; it is also quite scriptural.
(2) The accuracy of the sins named: the action done, the context in which it was done, and if possible, the motivation or other circumstance, including who else was involved, injured, and their relationship to the penitent, etc, if this is an aspect.
(3) The approximate frequency of the sin. It is the least important element of the penitent’s participation.

For a sacrament – any sacrament – to have valid integrity in and of itself, in that moment in time, it must possess the necessary matter and form. In this sacrament the matter and form are broad: they are the confession of sins (with assumed sorrow and assumed purpose of amendment) and the providing of absolution. “Number of times” is not essential to the validity of the sacrament; therefore, it is not necessary to revisit a confession for just this, except in cases such as described above.
Number of sin occasions is part of rubric or protocol. Like the absolution formula itself, if it is slightly inaccurate, the confession is not invalidated or compromised, and therefore need not be revisited on that aspect alone.

You will find various rubrics or protocols for baptisms and for weddings. As long as the matter and form are not compromised for those, those sacraments also are valid and are not revisited or re-performed or formally corrected by the participants, after the fact.

If any Catholic personally feels compelled to revisit for number of times, that is his or her prerogative, but it is not required. And specifically for the scrupulous, it would be contra-indicated.
 
I have explained this at length else where…and the Canon quoted actually does make this clear …as I have explained elsewhere.

What I noted is the case…
 
Fine, but you haven’t quoted where in Canon Law it says that the penitent must revisit the “number of times” (of a committed mortal sin) of a past confession, when he or she realizes later the number was inaccurate. What must be revisited is the category (kind) of the forgotten grievous sin, not the number of the sin – unless, again, there was a portion of that previous confession that addressed number overtly. (Priest asked about frequency, and/or frequency was an essential part of the counseling given.)

I have explained this at length else where…and the Canon quoted actually does make this clear …as I have explained elsewhere.

What I noted is the case…

A mortal sin is just as mortal if it is committed only once as when it has been committed more than once. It does not add to the gravity of that sin to have committed it several times.

Such is not the case…two murders is worse than one (same goes for other mortal sins…

It indicates repetitive behavior, but does not change the seriousness of the sin.

Again this is not the case…
I have explained what needs to be done or not be done in this thread and in various places.

Such is the understanding in Catholic Theology, Canon Law etc

as well as I have given advice for those with scruples.

Of course as I noted…if one forgets to say the number of mortal sins…that does not invalidate the confession…but he needs to mention it if he remembers. But if he intentionally hides the number…that is a different story.

I can not respond to a long post…I have a sick child in my arms and can not type much…

but I have alrady said much elsewhere in the forum on these matters
 
It is our obligation to confess all unconfessed mortal sins in number and kind (since baptism)…they must be directly submitted to the keys. Indirectly absolved mortal sins (forgotten ones) still need to be submitted directly to the keys.

If a Catholic forgot a mortal sin or to say the number of a mortal sin…the obligation remains to submit it to the keys directly (confess in number and kind etc) the next confession (if they do not forget of course)

(again as noted so many times…those with scrupulosity or scruples to some degree …need to follow their confessor…they can scruple in this…and want to keep bringing up old sins when not needed…)
 
We are to “confess them” …Such is our responsibility…our obligation.

not of course wait to be asked.

After all it is “confession” not “interogation”
 
If one does not give a number the Priest likely assumes it was 1x.
The priest is not a computer - and God is not an accountant. If the priest senses that there is more to the story that he needs to know, then believe it - he will ask. He will not “assume” anything, if someone appears to be holding back.

Yes, we are to give the number of times a sin was committed, but “several times since my last Confession” or “three times a week since entering puberty” is sufficient. 🙂

If you confessed a sin, and forgot to tell how many times, and the priest did not ask, then assume the priest is not interested in knowing, and feel at ease - your sin has been confessed.

It is only if you forget to mention it at all, that you have to go back and confess it later - and only in the case of a mortal sin.
but I have alrady said much elsewhere in the forum on these matters
Yes, which is why everyone keeps on having to correct you, so that the new people are not led astray into the fear and doubt of scrupulosity.
 
The priest is not a computer - and God is not an accountant. If the priest senses that there is more to the story that he needs to know, then believe it - he will ask. He will not “assume” anything, if someone appears to be holding back.

Yes. But we are obliged to confess our mortal sins in number and in kind. We are not to wait for a Priest to “ask”. This is the very nature of Confession. Yes the Priest if he suspects the penitent did not give a the number (that it was not just one time) is to assist the Penitent to make an integral confession. Be the Catholic is required …obligated to confess all his mortal sins in number and in kind. He is obligated by the Catholic Church.

Yes, we are to give the number of times a sin was committed, but “several times since my last Confession” or “three times a week since entering puberty” is sufficient. 🙂

Yes I have said this. Of course such if sufficient "if the person after a diligent examination of conscience does not know the actual number he may approximate …yes of course. And yes if he knows it was 3-5 times a week for such and such a time…yes he can say such…or if he can not say even that…he can approximate in other ways. It all depends on what he knows. I have never said he must be a computer :)…or as I put it one place “Mr. Spock”

If you confessed a sin, and forgot to tell how many times, and the priest did not ask, then assume the priest is not interested in knowing, and feel at ease - your sin has been confessed.

This is incorrect. The Church requires you to confess all mortal sins in number and kind…it has absolutely nothing to do with if the Priest asks or not. We are obliged if we honestly forget to do so (maybe got very nervious) …to confess it in number and kind the next confession …such is simply what is required. To be done without scruple…and simply.

It is only if you forget to mention it at all, that you have to go back and confess it later - and only in the case of a mortal sin.

…number too.

(and I note for readers too that Jimmy Akin the senior Apologist at Catholic Answers agreed on this matter)
 
(and I note for readers too that Jimmy Akin the senior Apologist at Catholic Answers agreed on this matter)
Jimmy Akin is wrong about gum-chewing at Mass (this is forbidden) and he is wrong about Friday penance (it is required) - with this track record, I need a lot more back-up than “Jimmy Akin says so.”

Where in the official documents of the Church do you read that, having already confessed a mortal sin and the priest not asking how many times, the penitent has to return and say how many times, if he forgot to mention the number of times?

Please, not an opinion piece by Jimmy Akin, but an actual official document of the Church. 🙂
 
Jimmy Akin is wrong about gum-chewing at Mass (this is forbidden) and he is wrong about Friday penance (it is required) - with this track record, I need a lot more back-up than “Jimmy Akin says so.”

Where in the official documents of the Church do you read that, having already confessed a mortal sin and the priest not asking how many times, the penitent has to return and say how many times, if he forgot to mention the number of times?

Please, not an opinion piece by Jimmy Akin, but an actual official document of the Church. 🙂
I explained all this step by step last time.
 
okay, so you are saying that SUPPOSE it has been many years…say more then 10 since I have gone to confession, and I feel drawn to the sacrament, and I go in and confess to say Pornography, or Pre-marital Sex, are you saying I am honestly supposed to have kept track of how many movies or magazines I have looked at? or how many times in 10years I have had sex? That is just not realistic.
 
Can. 988 §1. A member of the Christian faithful is obliged to confess in kind and number all grave sins committed after baptism** and not yet **remitted directly through the keys of the Church nor acknowledged in individual confession, of which the person has knowledge after diligent examination of conscience.

Every word here is important.
  1. We are talking about mortal sins committed after baptism
  2. One is obliged to confess all of these in number and kind.
  3. One is obliged to confess all of these that have not been directly remitted through the keys…this means those which have not been directly submitted to the keys and absolved…Confessed "I accuse myself of murder 6x)
  4. Mortal sins that were forgotten and still absolved in confession…are absolved “indirectly”…this is why it says those that have not been “directly” remitted.
  5. Also note that it is said again by saying “nor acknowledge in individual confession”…this double statement of this principle certainly makes it very clear…(.and it also covers other things as well)
When Henry confesses that he murdered 1 person and forgets that he also committed adultery one time…(prob cause of nerviousness about the murder) but was sorry etc for everything…the first one is absolved directly and never needs be confessed again…(though one can mention it) the second is absolved “indirectly” even though it was not acknowledged directly in confession…later if henry remembers it …he is then obliged to acknowledge it in individual confession …

If Sally confess’s murder and honestly does not realize that she is to give the number…she is absolved…(of all the murders).

But if she finds out that she is to confess mortal sins in number and kind…because she actually murdered 10 x’s she needs to say this in the next confession…it needs to be directly submitted to the keys…

Now if George honestly could not remember how many murders he committed when he made his confession when he returned to the Church so he did what he could and said “I committed murder I would say more than 50x”…later when he remembers that he had committed only 32 murders…he does not need to go do anything…for such is included what he said…but if he (honestly) said I murdered 2 persons and he later remembers another 8 buried in the forest then he should I think say so in the next confession.

That said…again those with scrupulosity can be in a very different boat…they should follow their confessor…for they can always want to go back…and their scruples can give them problems here. They are usually told …only if they are certain that something was a mortal sin and certain that it was not confessed…are they to bring it up (and again their confessor will know their particular case…and can tell them what to do or not to do…but that is not the case here.)
 
okay, so you are saying that SUPPOSE it has been many years…say more then 10 since I have gone to confession, and I feel drawn to the sacrament, and I go in and confess to say Pornography, or Pre-marital Sex, are you saying I am honestly supposed to have kept track of how many movies or magazines I have looked at? or how many times in 10years I have had sex? That is just not realistic.
Such is not what the Church is saying.

If a person after the diligent examination does not know the actual number …he can approximate according to what he does know.

It may be that all he can say is “many times” over 10 years…

But if he does know that last week he committed fornication 3 times…then he must say 3 times…not “a few”
 
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