The entire 3rd secret “is still hidden” only part of it was released.Perhaps, in my humble opinion, Our Lady has been appearing to the world so that the world does not forget her while on their pilgrimmage to Heaven. Not only to remember to honor her , but also for her help on the journey.
As a relatively recent convert to the Catholic faith, I immediately was intrigued by Our Lady and her role in salvation and continuing involvement with the world. This greatest of all the saints, is just that, the greatest of all the saints, and is already where the world desires to be - in Heaven.
Also, I had been involved with fatima.org and read the 3rd Secret Still Hidden, but upon the adviceo of CAF apoligists , I have since requested to be taken out of their mailing list.
Is the Third Secret Still Hidden?
How do you know this?The entire 3rd secret “is still hidden” only part of it was released.
Being devoted to Fatima , it doesnt matter if anyone believes the Third Secret was released in its entirety or it wasnt. Does that make praying the Holy Rosary any more or less pleasing to Our Blessed Mother? Or making the Five first Saturdays in Reparation for the Sins and Offenses commited daily in this world in which we all live? Are those sins any less offensive to GOD?How do you know this?
To say this you must believe that Sr Lucia, Pope John Paul II, and Pope Benedict XVI are all liars as all of them have said that the third secret has been released.
Sr. Lucia never stated that the third secret of Fatima has been released, where does she say this? Pope JP II released a description of his account of what is contained in the “Third Secret of Fatima” that was his perogative as a Pope. Pope Benedict XVI has perogatives too, he has read the so called third secret and he has made statements based on the entirety of the events, devotions, prophecies, controversies et all etc. about Fatima, many of which I’m sure are quoted in this thread,How do you know this?
To say this you must believe that Sr Lucia, Pope John Paul II, and Pope Benedict XVI are all liars as all of them have said that the third secret has been released.
I have no resistance to Our Lady of Fatima. The private revelations of Fatima just do not have a part in my spiritual life at this time so I really have not looked into it all that much.Sr. Lucia never stated that the third secret of Fatima has been released, where does she say this? Pope JP II released a description of his account of what is contained in the “Third Secret of Fatima” that was his perogative as a Pope. Pope Benedict XVI has perogatives too, he has read the so called third secret and he has made statements based on the entirety of the events, devotions, prophecies, controversies et all etc. about Fatima, many of which I’m sure are quoted in this thread,
Why you might have such a strong resistance to Our Lady of Fatima, who more accurately called herself:" the Lady of the Rosary" would be your own personal perogative, but you should refrain from making misleading statements and charges as are quoted above.
It’s no use. I’ve been trumpeting this from the rooftops, and it seems to do no good. People still insist that Fatima is public revelation, despite the fact that “private revelation” and “public revelation” are technical terms that have nothing to do with how many people witnessed the Miracle of the Sun.To assist your research here is what the Catechism of the Catholic Church says.
67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.
Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.
Yes, which is why I am retiring from posting responses to these types of reoccuring threads. Every couple of weeks questions that have been addressed crop up again and again and again.It’s no use. I’ve been trumpeting this from the rooftops, and it seems to do no good. People still insist that Fatima is public revelation, despite the fact that “private revelation” and “public revelation” are technical terms that have nothing to do with how many people witnessed the Miracle of the Sun.
I agree with you on this.I see this entire thread going in a direction I dont feel the OP intended. When people say Fatima is “Non Binding” that doesnt mean it advocates anything bad or that by following the devotions recommended is a bad idea nor does it mean that the Mother of GOD didnt visit and ask Catholics up to and including the Pope himself to do certain things.
I understand what you are saying here but does this also mean that the other private revelations are not important to? What if someone has a strong devotion to Our Lady of Lourdes and the private revelation there? Or do the Divine Mercy and the private revelation given to St Faustina?Then , as you say , some people have accused the Papacy of certain things and not doing certain things but there are many more who do not see a problem with Fatima and the Magisterium , in fact , they see Pope after Pope after Pope making pilgrimages themselves. Most of the things we do are “Non Binding” as Catholics. We are not bound to pray for the Dead under penalty of sin either , its also “Non Binding” Nor are we bound to give water to a thirsty person under penalty of Sin - but in the final analysis - we will be judged for the things we do and fail to do as Catholics. Charity covers a multitude of Sins and although specific Charitable acts are non binding - so too can our time in purgatory be cut short or even eliminated by performing it. I see Fatima in much the same light - If we do as Our Blessed mother asked us to do for poor sinners - we will be acting as All Catholics are called to act to make a difference in this world. Certainly it is optional - but then - if your own Earthly mother asked you to do something and you are now an Adult is saying no something you do often - especially if it means a lot to her? Questions like this should be considered when it comes to Fatima IMO.
When you say “other private revelations are not important” that is most certainly not what I am saying. But what I am saying is that there are degrees of importance and all are not equal. The reason there is a lot of Devotion for Fatima is because the Church through the Popes and Many Bishops , Priests and Religious have fostered that devotion in the Faithful. It would not have as large a following had they not spent the last 94 years doing exactly that. If other private revealtions are not stressed as much - dont blame those who have the Fatima devotion for their plight. We wouldnt have it had the Prelates not fostered it.I agree with you on this.
I understand what you are saying here but does this also mean that the other private revelations are not important to? What if someone has a strong devotion to Our Lady of Lourdes and the private revelation there? Or do the Divine Mercy and the private revelation given to St Faustina?
Can we not just agree that there is a lot out there for Catholics to find something that fits with their spiritual life and leave it at that? Or must everyone find a place for Fatima even when it does not fit into the puzzle of their spiritual life at this time (notice I said “at this time”, I am not ruling out that at some time in the future this could change, it has with me in regards to Lourdes)?
I blame no one for anything.When you say “other private revelations are not important” that is most certainly not what I am saying. But what I am saying is that there are degrees of importance and all are not equal. The reason there is a lot of Devotion for Fatima is because the Church through the Popes and Many Bishops , Priests and Religious have fostered that devotion in the Faithful. It would not have as large a following had they not spent the last 94 years doing exactly that. If other private revealtions are not stressed as much - dont blame those who have the Fatima devotion for their plight. We wouldnt have it had the Prelates not fostered it.
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I think you have a valid point if people are diminishing your obvious devotion and love for the Faith. And I want you to know that I hope you do not think that anything I said was intended in any way to diminish your obvious fervor for the Catholic Faith. As for “lesser” I supposed as judged by whom? Certainly when the Blessed Virgin Mary first visited the Three children - there were only three children devoted. And it grew because it was of GOD. Just as what you do has grown because it is of GOD. So as to “lesser” I think that is an ambiguous term. Perhaps less stressed by the Magisterium? Does that make it inferior? Not really. But then if the Pope is teaching us to have Marian Devotion through the Rosary , Which JPII himself introduced the Lumenous Mysteries - then we should take that into account IMO.I blame no one for anything.
I am just asking if someone who has a devotion to some other private revelation is somehow “lesser” in their practices if they do not have a devotion to Fatima as well.
While those may promote Fatima as you state, there is no ranking for private revelations in Church Teaching. Each are as valid and worthy of belief as the other.
Pope Benedict stated “On May 13, 2010 (Pilgrimage to Portugal) the Pope Benedict stated that those who believe that the Fatima prophecy is of the past is deceiving himself.”How do you know this?
To say this you must believe that Sr Lucia, Pope John Paul II, and Pope Benedict XVI are all liars as all of them have said that the third secret has been released.
This has nothing to do with anything I have said. I would like to see the whole speech the Holy Father gave rather than one quote taken out of context as the Church Teaches that private revelations are not required for salvation.Pope Benedict stated “On May 13, 2010 (Pilgrimage to Portugal) the Pope Benedict stated that those who believe that the Fatima prophecy is of the past is deceiving himself.”
Please show me where the Church has stated that is has only revealed part of the Third Secret and kept part of it hidden.Pope Benedict is NOT a liar. Sister Lucy is NOT a liar. Again I repeat the entire 3rd secret has not been released to mankind. When God gives a prophecy it happens exactly like he says it is going to happen. God sent his mother to warn the world. "That the Holy see will be dressed in white walking up a hill, along with bishops and laity. The Holy See will past dead corpeses along the way he will be blessing the dead corpses.
Apparitions can not add to what we know as the full public revelation. As I understand them they occur to call us to that revelation.This might be a bit ‘off topic’ for the events at Fatima but I have not found a more appropriate thread to pose my questions and concerns.
I have a problem with Apparitions in general and I am looking for guidance. Whenever I hear about an apparition of The Lord, Our Lady, one of the Saints, or an Angel who reveals something having to do with faith or something we are supposed to do at the request of the one who has appeared or requested on behalf of Our Lord - I am troubled!
When I was in school,high school, and university, all Catholic, I was taught that the message of Christ had been fully delivered by Christ. The totality of revealed truth had been given to us by Our Lord. Thus, we had the ‘blue print’ to follow to live as God wanted us to live. We were also taught that since Christ had delivered the full message there was no need for later prophets to add new twists to the ‘blue print’. With no insult intended to our Muslim or LDS friends there would be no requirement for new and additional revelations since we already had the message.
So, I wonder, who are these ‘people’ who appear and give additional guidance? If we have the full message and someone else shows up to reveal more, just where are they coming from and who do they represent?
I have the uneasy feeling that these might be snares of the adversary. Some of these ‘miracles’ we heard about violate the natural law which God set up and which He will not violate. I am not talking about the rare and wonderful intervention where a miraculous event takes place like a medical cure or something similar. I am talking about something like ‘the miracle of the Sun’ which would throw off the balance of the universe. That sounds like a magical trick where it was only an illusion. The last time I looked the Lord did not go in for tricks and illusions. I think it was the other fellow that used tricks.
I am very much concerned that all of these apparitions come from the adversary and not from God.