Sex abuse statistics

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We have to be careful when using statistics in this line of argumentation. Generally we should use it to show that celibacy doesn’t increase pedophilia, like you said. But we must be careful of diverting wrongs which have been committed through smearing other groups of people.
 
Chaldean_Rite said:
Is there a thread which has links to statistics which disprove pedophilia and its connection to Catholicism / Priesthood / Celibacy?

Here is what I have:

newsweek.com/id/236096
timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7106076.ece
paltalknewsnetwork.com/node/2551
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8654789.stm

Please add to it. Thanks.
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Doesn’t the simple fact that the majority of child abuse occurs in the family – disprove that link? Maybe a better question would be to ask those who level that charge to prove that marriage does not cause pedophilia since most abuse occurs in the family…

Don’t know the particulars but were those Boy Scout Troop leaders celebate?

I believe the record shows your child is more likely to be abused by a teacher than a priest–last time I checked no celibacy requirement for teachers.

Are those protestant ministers celibate?

Just looking at where most child abuse occurs and by whom it is perpetrated–should give you all the evidence you need–most child abuse is not perpetrated by celibate priests.

This is a baseless charge leveled by those who opposed a celibate priesthood–and those who level it know that. Doesn’t common sense tell you if priests were going to violate their vow of chastity–it would be with other adults? The vast majority of people are attracted to adults not children–only a small percentage of sick people are attracted to children. Request a peer reviewed scientific study that shows a link between celebacy and pedophilia–you won’t get one because the link does not exist.

Peace,
Mark
 
**First, here is the final John Jay College of Criminal Justice report on the USCCB website…it is full of facts and statistics.
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The Nature and Scope of the Problem of Sexual Abuse of Minors by Catholic Priests and Deacons in the United States
A Research Study Conducted by the
*** John Jay College of Criminal Justice***
usccb.org/nrb/johnjaystudy/index.htm
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Second…regarding this comment/advice( below)…
ConallCernachRe: sex abuse statistics
We have to be careful when using statistics in this line of argumentation. Generally we should use it to show that celibacy doesn’t increase pedophilia, like you said. But we must be careful of diverting wrongs which have been committed through smearing other groups of people.
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I understand (I believe) what this comment is saying…and to a very large degree, I concur. If we had abuse of minors by officials in the Chruch…we need to acknowledge that…in clear words…Catholic officials (bishops, priests, religious, laity) abused minors entrusted to their care**.** (period)!

But we must also “zero in” on the “root of the problem”… to cut it out/rip it out…in order to avoid the possibility of more abuse from ever occurring again…this is imperative!

So to describe the Church’s abuse of minors problem as a predominately a homosexual problem…fails to address the real problem:-the lack of fidelity at all levels (especially the malfeasance of the diocesan bishops and the USCCB ) which fostered this atmosphere of tolerance a for lack of fidelity to the Church and its teachings (the Pope and the Magisterium)…they compromised objective Truth with relativism;

-tolerance for individuals’ infidelity to their vows of ordination and/or vows of consecrated life in the Church;

-allowing the the “stage” to be set that fostered this infidelity…which led to this abuse…and then…

-do nothing to slam on the brakes whenever and wherever it appeared… and make the decisive/radical changes to end it…years ago!

To be specific on the homosexual issue…here is an excerpt from:
A Report on the Crisis
in the Catholic Church
in the United States
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The National Review Board for the Protection of Children and Young People
Established by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
February 27, 2004
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usccb.org/nrb/nrbstudy/nrbreport.htm#thepresence3. Special Issues Relating to Sexual Orientation.
As noted above, the overwhelming majority of reported acts of sexual abuse of minors by members of the clergy victimized boys. Accordingly,** the current crisis cannot be addressed without consideration of issues relating to homosexuality. **
According to Church doctrine, homosexuality is an intrinsic disorder and homosexual acts are gravely immoral. At the same time,** the Church has long been known for its position that a homosexual is not to blame for his orientation**. ** So too, the Review Board draws a distinction between homosexual individuals and homosexual acts.** We** do not seek to place the blame for the sexual abuse crisis on the presence of homosexual individuals in the priesthood as there are many chaste and holy homosexual priests who are faithful to their vows of celibacy. ** However, we must call attention to the homosexual behavior that characterized the vast majority of the cases of abuse observed in recent decades. That eighty-one percent of the reported victims of child sexual abuse by Catholic clergy were boys shows that the crisis was characterized by homosexual behavior.
It has been reported to the Review Board that, in some areas,** the large number of homosexual priests or candidates had the effect of discouraging heterosex¬ual men from seeking to enter the priesthood**. In the 1970s and 1980s, in particular, there developed at certain seminaries a “gay subculture,” and at these seminaries, according to several witnesses, homosexual liaisons occurred among students or between students and teachers. Such subcultures existed or exist in certain dioceses or orders as well. The Board believes that the failure to take disciplinary action against such conduct contributed to an atmosphere in which sexual abuse of adolescent boys by priests was more likely. In light of this background, it is vital that bishops, provincials, and seminary rectors ensure that seminaries create a climate and a culture conducive to chastity…
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…One bishop pointedly stated that “training for celibacy is different if someone is homosexually oriented or heterosexually oriented. The occasions of sin are different. The danger flags are different.”
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Hope this is helpful…offered for your consideration.
Pax Christi
 
EDITORIAL CREEP MARKS NEW YORK TIMES
Perhaps Ms. Donadio missed reading the *Times *story of April 10 on Leslie Lothstein, a psychologist who has treated about 300 priests. He says that “only a small minority were true pedophiles.” Correct. All the data show that most of the molesters have been homosexuals.
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Yes, most abusers went unpunished, but it is wrong to imply some sinister motive like “secrecy.” For example, the Murphy report on abuse in Dublin found that most bishops followed the advice of therapists—not canon law. In short, had Church law been followed, instead of listening to the prevailing psycho-babble, things might have been different.
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