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What I am upset about is not the birth control issue specifically. It’s what they are promoting by doing this.

They are just saying, “ok you win, have sex, but use these”

This is just opening the flood gates. Instead of standing strong.
Yes. This is the biggest problem with sex ed nowadays. They probably mean no harm in promoting birth control if they are not Catholic, but the message they spread is worse: “Sex is fine, sex is no big deal, it’s okay to have it outside of marriage since you can’t control yourselves. Nobody waits anymore.”

That mentality is both insulting and frightening. We expect kids to not drink or do drugs, but when it comes to sex, we just toss up our hands in defeat.
 
Jfonseka.
Okay… so, I often hear that all Christians were against birth control until a few decades back, which is quite logical… but then… with my historical-critical approach I wonder where all the sources are. You mention the early fathers… okay: quotes please, and more than a hint and more than one.

I think most inhere are right. Abstinence is not taught in schools (you have no idea how bad the situation is in Europe) and that really is bad… I never once heard the word come out of anyone’s mouth until I was about 22… I think most people here dont even know the word. One thing is certain… I did not have much sex edd at all, even in this society where sex is like a god - but the movies, magazines and news papers told me what was the norm… And I and my friends got very curious at a very young age (first influence is older siblings) I think really good sex edd with a holistic approach is much needed… that is classes that teach both the mental and physical side, both the technical and the love part.
It’s so sad what is going on in our cultures… some of us never had a chance of getting it right unless we were brought up in very Christians homes.
 
I had to smile when I was listening to Fr. Groechel in a “Theology on Tap” meeting in our town. He was talking about how Mother Theresa gave a talk at Harvard about chastity and how they had to sell dictionaries in the parking lot to introduce the word to the crowds. 🙂 What was nice though was the complete silence when she spoke and the thunderous applause afterwards. The standing ovation was the longest seen by the school.
 
The sex education class went something like this:
  1. If you have sex, you are putting yourself at risk of these diseases: __, __, __ and __. Here are some pictures of people whose lives were ruined by catching sexual diseases. Here are pictures of the horrible symptoms of those diseases.
  2. Also, even if you think you’re mature, you aren’t prepared for the emotional consequences of having sex. And no, not everyone is doing it.
  3. Having sex more often damages relationships than helps them. You have to have a strong relationship before having sex.
  4. If you become a parent at your age, your life plans will be permanently ruined. You won’t have time to grow up. You’ll get a terrible job at a burger joint or gas station to buy diapers and formula. You won’t get the chance to go back to school. Your whole life, you’ll regret not waiting. You will love your child, but you will regret that you didn’t wait longer to have him or her.
  5. If you have a child at your age, they are more likely to repeat your mistakes. They’re not going to thank you for bringing them into the world without the means to support them.
  6. Even if you use condoms, you are still at great risk of getting a disease or getting pregnant. Here are some more pictures of the horrible consequences of not using condoms.
  7. Thank you for attending this class. When you’re tempted to have sex, please remember the consequences of your actions. And if you ignore this lesson and make a terrible mistake, don’t say we didn’t warn you. Sex without a condom is like russian roulette. Don’t do it. Sex with a condom is slightly less dangerous, but still stupid. If you do it, be safe. There’s an abstinence support group that can help you learn how to say no. Here’s the number. If you need condoms, go to the counsellor’s office. Dismissed.
Sounds to me like the teacher believed in abstinence-only, but somehow had to work in the condom lecture, which, although I wasn’t there to hear the tone of his/her voice, really packed a back-handed punch about how condoms aren’t 100% effective, which in and of itself is a message that needs to get out.
 
Lots of teens already have the incentive to have sex, this helps keep them safe.
I think it’s a false sense of security. It might be safer than nothing, but it’s not safe. They can get STDs, and be hurt emotionally.

Sex is not just some neutral activity. I causes people to bond. We shouldn’t be bonding w/ anyone but our spouses. —KCT
 
to Teen4Christ.
Why don’t you tell us about your ideas about sex and love and contraception. I’m curious to know what you really think and I wont judge nor condemn you (neither will the Church)…
 
IMO ANY encouragement to have any kind of sex in High School is absolutely rediculous! It promotes that idea that sex is just sex. No love, nothing but entertainment. It promotes self interest but not love. Would anyone want their daughter to be “entertainment” for a guy? And who in schools advocates condoms for oral sex? While one can’t get pregnant, one can still get an STD. The focus of our now overly sexual society is claiming victory over an unwanted pregnancy. NOTHING MORE. Fun without the “problem”. The “problem” of a committed relationship. The “problem” of creating another human being. But we end up with bigger ones. Oh, how we’ve deceived ourselves.
 
Yea, and your flawed premise is that because they have the “incentive” to have sex, no one can do anything about it, and hence condoms should be distributed.
WRONG

did you even read what I just said?

Lots of people also had a lot of incentive to go against Christ’s teachings, it was in their eyes. Incentive is subjective. What are the incentives to have sex besides pleasure?

With sex comes what usually in the natural world? Until you are ready to have children, sex should not be an option. Your name says ‘teen4christ’. I am assuming you have read Jesus’ stance on premarital sex right.

You’d also like to know, birth control existed in the early christian days, as far back as Jesus’ time even. ‘Coitus Interruptus’, the early church fathers AND the early christians condemned the use of birth control.
Stop being rude, I’m basing my opinion on the fact that many teens today are sexually active and sex ed helps to protect them. That’s undeniable.
 
to Teen4Christ.
Why don’t you tell us about your ideas about sex and love and contraception. I’m curious to know what you really think and I wont judge nor condemn you (neither will the Church)…
I’d prefer if people refrained from having sex untill their in a commited relationship, but i’m not going to force my ideology on anyone.
 
I’d prefer if people refrained from having sex untill their in a commited relationship, but i’m not going to force my ideology on anyone.
It’s so much work to try to turn the battleship around, I understand. But is it just YOUR ideology, or a better one for the society? Well, there are many people pushing THEIR ideology on our children. And since I was a sucker for it then, I see the issues associated with it now. We are called to action. (No, not blowing up things or shooting people.) And our inaction is part of the problem, not part of the solution. If I can see the light, so can so many more. We just have to try.
 
Teen4Christ.
Well, I think we all agree with you then… although some of us would probably be more firm in our answer as to what a comitted relationship is. I am a little bit extreme in some people’s eyes… (I am young myself and believe me, I am not understood by my peers)… I am just a plain old romantic. I think we need to protect each others self-image, souls, bodies and hearts and that is why sexual intimacy belongs in marriage. It is** love **that tells that to my heart. No book… not even the book of canon law, could teach me this, but what I know I must come to realise through the love of the Holy Spirit living in me… Do you understand what I am saying brother?
Today I listened to the preaching of a non-catholic pastor who is married… he looked at his wife with sparkling eyes and told the congregation: “I am so in love with Tove… when we got serios in our relationship back in a day I knew I had to change some things in my life… why… was I urged by some law on some stone?.. no, but **because I loved **it was natural for me to not fornicate, it was natural for me not to have other women … to hurt her …etc…”
Love… its the only thing that is strong enough to keep us on the right track in our lives… love for ourselves, love for the one we are dating, love for our future spouse, love for our future marriage, love for our life, love of the good, the beautiful… love of Jesus whom we know personally… Love… sorry if I am babbling… but what do you think about all this brother?


Jesus died for me! Ain’t it just wonderful being saved by the Blood! Praised be the Name of Yeshua- all Glory to God alone:)
 
What I think is that more parents need to be talking to their kids about this issue. We need to make sure our children know our views on sex and marriage.Too often we say nothing to our children and hope that somehow our morals will sink in by osmois. Or we hope that our child’s school is teaching them something along the same lines as our moral thinking. When the school teaches contrary to our morals we get angry.

The thing is we can’t leave it up to JUST the schools. We, the parents, the original teachers, have got to tell our children what we believe. And it can’t just be, “don’t do it until you are married”. We have to tell them why they should wait until they are married.

I don’t always agree with what’s said on these boards. Heck, I don’t always agree with what the Catholic Church says, but some of that is changing. What I have finally come to learn (thank-you CA members) is that sex is so special, your body is so special, why, why, WHY would you want to share it ouside of a love that God has blessed.

Now I know some of you will think of me as a hypocrite after saying that, but I’m not really. I’m just a realist.

My dd and I talk about anything and everything. I leave the lines of communication open. I want her to know that I am always here for her no matter what. We talk about sex. I’ve told her to wait until she’s married. I’ve told her how great married love is. I’ve also hinted at my mistakes. I don’t want to overshare, but she knows that I didn’t wait for marriage. She also knows that it has affected me in a negative way. I tell her this, so she understands WHY she should wait.

At the same time, I’ve talked to her about contraception.We’ve discussed the IUD being an abortifactant. We’ve talked about the pill altering your hormones. We’ve talked about how neither of these protect against STD’s. We’ve even discussed how a condom can break. I do tell her that I don’t want her having sex outside of marriage. I have also told her that if she does decide to she needs to always, ALWAYS insist on an STD test AND condoms.

People make mistakes. Even those raised in very moral homes can go astray. I’ve known good Catholic kids who went to Catholic schools and were raised in scrict, Catholic homes, who got pregnant. Mistakes don’t only happen to kids outside the faith, or in public school.

The best thing we can do for our kids is to make sure they know our morals and values. Just realise, as God does, that our kids were born with Free-will. They can and they will make mistakes. For me, making sure they are armed with as much knowledge as possible, gives me hope that they will make better choices than I did.

Kim
 
I had my daughter when I was 19 years old. I can never think about it as something I regret, because she probably saved my life. I wasn’t a bad person and I wasn’t doing anything destructive or anything. But I had someone else to look out for. She taught me how to be selfless, how to love someone so much that it hurts sometimes, how to laugh at myself. I can’t even begin to tell you how much I have learned from her. Having her at 19 wasn’t something I ever imagined or wanted for myself. But it isn’t something I’ll ever regret.

To say that having a baby young and without being married will lead you to a life of flipping burgers, that you’ll never be able to go back to school, etc. is wrong. I’m in college now trying to make a career for myself so that I can provide everything Abby deserves. It’s hard, but it’s do able. It’s a little offensive to me to say that having a child young will lead you to a life of nothing.

Although because I did have her so young, my views on sex have completely changed. It’s not something for people who aren’t married. Committed relationship or not, sex should be saved. I know what the consequences are. There are alot of good things that go along with it. But they are things that should be saved for one person.

I don’t really know how I feel about schools and their sex education. I went to Catholic school and we were taught to wait. We had Chastity Day and guest speakers about why it was great to not have sex until you were married and the whole nine yards. We never had anyone tells us that if you are going to have sex, use a condom, etc. I can’t decide if I think that is a good thing or not.
 
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