Sex between married couple a SIN?!

[anrmenchaca47]

DISCLAIMER: **Dear Moderators, This is in no way meant to be disrespectful. I am just looking for answers.
**

Hey guys I need your help,

I recently found a website,catholic-saints.net/, and in it the author states that sex between a married couple for pleasure is a mortal sin. Quoting Pope Pius IX, Innocent XI, Pope Paul III and from the Old Testamen of Tobit. Now I could have sworn that in 1 Corinthians 7:2 actually contradicts the authors claim because in it it states saying

2 “…but because of cases of immorality every man should have his own wife, and every woman her own husband.
3
The husband should fulfill his duty toward his wife, and likewise the wife toward her husband.
4
A wife does not have authority over her own body, but rather her husband, and similarly a husband does not have authority over his own body, but rather his wife.
5
Do not deprive each other, except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, to be free for prayer, but then return to one another, so that Satan may not tempt you through your lack of self-control”

This tells me that God gave the gift of sex for a married couple for 1.) Procreation and 2.) Pleasure.

Now my concern,… is the aforementioned TRUE? Because if that’s the case then I’ve been commiting a mortal sin every time I become either intimate or…well…you know……Can someone shed some light on this please. The last thing I want is God to hand down his judgement on me for wanting to be with my wife

 

[1ke]

Now my concern,… is the aforementioned TRUE?

No. It is not true.

Any whack-a-doodle can build a web site on the internet and call it “catholic”. That does not mean it is authentically Catholic, nor does it have approval of any bishop or Vatican body.

Please stay away from such extremist nonsense. If the Church taught sex with your spouse was a sin, you could be guaranteed it would be in the Catechism (it’s not).

 

[fpt]

DISCLAIMER: **Dear Moderators, This is in no way meant to be disrespectful. I am just looking for answers.
**

Hey guys I need your help,

I recently found a website,catholic-saints.net/, and in it the author states that sex between a married couple for pleasure is a mortal sin. Quoting Pope Pius IX, Innocent XI, Pope Paul III and from the Old Testamen of Tobit. Now I could have sworn that in 1 Corinthians 7:2 actually contradicts the authors claim because in it it states saying

2 “…but because of cases of immorality every man should have his own wife, and every woman her own husband.
3
The husband should fulfill his duty toward his wife, and likewise the wife toward her husband.
4
A wife does not have authority over her own body, but rather her husband, and similarly a husband does not have authority over his own body, but rather his wife.
5
Do not deprive each other, except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, to be free for prayer, but then return to one another, so that Satan may not tempt you through your lack of self-control”

This tells me that God gave the gift of sex for a married couple for 1.) Procreation and 2.) Pleasure.

Now my concern,… is the aforementioned TRUE? Because if that’s the case then I’ve been commiting a mortal sin every time I become either intimate or…well…you know……Can someone shed some light on this please. The last thing I want is God to hand down his judgement on me for wanting to be with my wife

The doctrine of this internet website is not catholic. You need to forget this crazy theology. Those people are touched by many heresies.

 

[fpt]

DISCLAIMER: **Dear Moderators, This is in no way meant to be disrespectful. I am just looking for answers.
**

Hey guys I need your help,

I recently found a website,catholic-saints.net/, and in it the author states that sex between a married couple for pleasure is a mortal sin. Quoting Pope Pius IX, Innocent XI, Pope Paul III and from the Old Testamen of Tobit. Now I could have sworn that in 1 Corinthians 7:2 actually contradicts the authors claim because in it it states saying

2 “…but because of cases of immorality every man should have his own wife, and every woman her own husband.
3
The husband should fulfill his duty toward his wife, and likewise the wife toward her husband.
4
A wife does not have authority over her own body, but rather her husband, and similarly a husband does not have authority over his own body, but rather his wife.
5
Do not deprive each other, except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, to be free for prayer, but then return to one another, so that Satan may not tempt you through your lack of self-control”

This tells me that God gave the gift of sex for a married couple for 1.) Procreation and 2.) Pleasure.

Now my concern,… is the aforementioned TRUE? Because if that’s the case then I’ve been commiting a mortal sin every time I become either intimate or…well…you know……Can someone shed some light on this please. The last thing I want is God to hand down his judgement on me for wanting to be with my wife

The encratism, the manicheism, the catharism, the jansenism, the fideism, the quietism, the puritanism, the victorianism, the externalism, the judgmentalism, the primary anti-personalism, the primary anti-phenomenologist, the rabbitism, the absolute natalist, the absolute pro creationism, the theoretical providentialism, the quiverfullism, the primary anti-conjugal erotism, the pharisaism and the scrupulism are their doctrines.

They are touched by diseases of the intelligence All those doctrines are heresies and ideologies. They are christian people who are polluted by the Evil. As catholic, each one of us has to fight against their manners of thinking.

 

[fpt]

The encratism, the manicheism, the catharism, the jansenism, the fideism, the quietism, the puritanism, the victorianism, the externalism, the judgmentalism, the primary anti-personalism, the primary anti-phenomenologism, the rabbitism, the absolute natalism, the absolute pro-creationism, the theoretical providentialism, the quiverfullism, the primary anti-conjugal erotism, the pharisaism and the scrupulism are their doctrines.

They are touched by diseases of the intelligence All those doctrines are heresies and ideologies. They are christian people who are polluted by the Evil. As catholic, each one of us has to fight against their manners of thinking.

They are totally crazy

 

[fpt]

They are totally crazy

The sedevacantism and the semi-sedevacantism are heresies.

 

[agnes_therese]

As soon as you see the phrase “Antipope Francis” on a website, you know it’s time to leave without reading anything else.

 

[pensmama87]

It’s amazing what one can find on the Internet.

 

[EasterJoy]

No. It is not true.

Any whack-a-doodle can build a web site on the internet and call it “catholic”. That does not mean it is authentically Catholic, nor does it have approval of any bishop or Vatican body.

Please stay away from such extremist nonsense. If the Church taught sex with your spouse was a sin, you could be guaranteed it would be in the Catechism (it’s not).

This covers it. The Catechism notes that the attraction between spouses is a gift from our Creator. It is a good thing.

 

[captainrick]

Not true. And thank God the Catholic Church has more sensible doctrine!

 

[heidi_storage]

Sure sex between married people is a sin–if they’re not married to each other.

 

[Neofight]

All examples OP gave were not true, but there are times when sex between married couples can be a sin…at least for one of the participants.

 

[Xantippe]

Sure sex between married people is a sin–if they’re not married to each other.

Funny!

 

[Xantippe]

I think this is trolling, but I seem to recall that marital relations JUST for pleasure is wrong.

Fortunately, it’s not that common for married couples that can’t stand each other and don’t love each other at all to just have sex for pleasure. Hopefully, there’s an admixture of affection and love and self-giving involved, not just pure pleasure-seeking.

 

[pianistclare]

As soon as you see the phrase “Antipope Francis” on a website, you know it’s time to leave without reading anything else.

Exactly.
People should take care to read up on whether a site is legitimate.
You didn’t REALLY think this was so, did you? Come on.

 

[twf]

Some saints have taken a somewhat dim view of sex, even between married couples. There was a tendency among some of the Fathers to see sex even among the married as a “necessary evil”. Yet, the Magisterium has never embraced this view. Saints are not always right on every point.

 

[Ron_Conte]

Pope Pius XII from his Address to Midwives:

1. The same Creator, who in His bounty and wisdom willed to make use of the work of man and woman by uniting them in matrimony for the preservation and propagation of the human race, has also disposed that, in this function, the spouses should experience pleasure and happiness in body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses, by seeking and enjoying this pleasure, do not do anything wrong. They accept what the Creator has intended for them.
2. Nevertheless, here also, the spouses must know how to keep themselves within the limits of a just moderation. As with the pleasure of food and drink, so also with the sexual, they must not abandon themselves without restraint to the impulses of the senses. The right rule is this: the use of the natural procreative disposition is morally licit only in matrimony, in the service of, and in accordance with, the ends of marriage itself. Hence it follows that only in marriage, with the observing of this rule, is the desire and fruition of this pleasure and of this satisfaction lawful. For the pleasure is subordinate to the law of the act from which it is derived, and not vice versa – the act from the law of pleasure. And this law, so very reasonable, concerns not only the substance, but also the circumstances of the act, so that, even when the substance of the act remains morally safe, it is possible to sin in the way it is performed.
3. The transgression of this law is as old as original sin. But in our times, there is the risk that one may lose sight of the fundamental principle itself. At present, in fact, it is usual to support in words and in writing (and this by Catholics in certain circles) the necessary autonomy, the proper end, and the proper value of sexuality and of its realization, independently of the purpose of procreating a new life. There is a tendency to subject to a new examination and to a new norm the very order established by God, and not to admit any other restraint to the way of satisfying the instinct than by considering the essence of the instinctive act. In addition, there would be substituted a license to serve blindly and without restraint the whims and instincts of nature, in place of the moral obligation to dominate the passions. And this, sooner or later, cannot turn out to be other than a danger to morals, conscience, and human dignity.
4. If nature had aimed exclusively, or at least in the first place, at a reciprocal gift and possession of the married couple in joy and delight, and if it had ordered that act only to make happy in the highest possible degree their personal experience, and not to stimulate them to the service of life, then the Creator would have adopted another plan in forming and constituting the natural act. Now instead, all this is subordinated and ordered to that unique great law of the “generatio et educatio prolis,” [the generation and education of offspring] namely the accomplishment of the primary end of matrimony as the origin and source of life.
5. Unfortunately, unceasing waves of hedonism invade the world and threaten to submerge, in the swelling tide of thoughts, desires, and acts, the whole of marital life, and not without serious dangers and grave prejudice to the primary duty of husband and wife.
6. This anti-Christian hedonism too often is not ashamed to elevate itself to a doctrine, inculcating the ardent desire to make always more intense the pleasure, in the preparation and in the performance of the conjugal union, as if in matrimonial relations the whole moral law were reduced to the normal performance of the act itself, and as if all the rest, in whatever way it is done, were justified by the expression of mutual affection, were sanctified by the Sacrament of Matrimony, and made worthy of praise and reward before God and conscience. There is no thought at all of the dignity of man and of the Christian – a dignity which restrains the excess of sensuality.
7. No; the gravity and the sanctity of the Christian moral law do not allow for an unchecked satisfaction of the sexual instinct, tending only to pleasure and enjoyment. They do not permit rational man to let himself be mastered to such an extent, neither as regards the substance, nor the circumstances of the act.
8. There are some who would allege that happiness in marriage is in direct proportion to the reciprocal enjoyment in conjugal relations. Not so; happiness in marriage is in direct proportion to the mutual respect of the spouses, even in their intimate relations. It is not that they refuse and deem as immoral what nature offers and what the Creator has given, but rather that this respect, and the mutual esteem that it engenders, is one of the strongest elements of a pure love, and, for this reason, is all the more tender.

 

[rose_kelly]

DISCLAIMER: **Dear Moderators, This is in no way meant to be disrespectful. I am just looking for answers.
**

Hey guys I need your help,

I recently found a website,catholic-saints.net/, and in it the author states that sex between a married couple for pleasure is a mortal sin. Quoting Pope Pius IX, Innocent XI, Pope Paul III and from the Old Testamen of Tobit. Now I could have sworn that in 1 Corinthians 7:2 actually contradicts the authors claim because in it it states saying

That website is designed to put people off Catholicism, try to see through the deceit and recognise the agenda!!!

 

[anrmenchaca47]

I think this is trolling, but I seem to recall that marital relations JUST for pleasure is wrong.

Fortunately, it’s not that common for married couples that can’t stand each other and don’t love each other at all to just have sex for pleasure. Hopefully, there’s an admixture of affection and love and self-giving involved, not just pure pleasure-seeking.

Well of course there’d have to be a mixture of affection and love and self-giving, but in the midst of all that it would be crazy not to think that it wasn’t enjoyable…I mean come on, if it was strictly for procreating then we’d have no sensation during the act which would be otherwise boring and detrimental to a marriage if a married couple wouldn’t be able to feel each other during that time of intimicay.
I’m mean why else would Paul say that in 1 Corinthians 7:2 “.Do not deprive each other, except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, to be free for prayer, but then return to one another, so that Satan may not tempt you through your lack of self-control.” Sounds to me pleasure has a part in sex between married couple to avoid temptation.

 

[Xantippe]

Well of course there’d have to be a mixture of affection and love and self-giving, but in the midst of all that it would be crazy not to think that it wasn’t enjoyable…I mean come on, if it was strictly for procreating then we’d have no sensation during the act which would be otherwise boring and detrimental to a marriage if a married couple wouldn’t be able to feel each other during that time of intimicay.
I’m mean why else would Paul say that in 1 Corinthians 7:2 “.Do not deprive each other, except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, to be free for prayer, but then return to one another, so that Satan may not tempt you through your lack of self-control.” Sounds to me pleasure has a part in sex between married couple to avoid temptation.

I think it is possible for there to be marital sex without any affection or love and/or with no consideration for the well-being of the spouse, and THAT is sinful and exploitative.