Sex between married couple a SIN?!

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What do you want to mean? What is the meaning of this writing? Could you explain to me this short sentence?
EasterJoy usually doesn’t post on CAF during Lent, so she probably won’t see this for a while.

But if I had to take a stab at what she meant, it may be that you tend to write a lot and it can be very repetitive and/or academic, and since English is not your first language it can be difficult to understand. I usually get your meaning and agree with you, but it can be a bit much for forums, sometimes. Hope that helps!
 
I think this is trolling, but I seem to recall that marital relations JUST for pleasure is wrong.
If a woman has gone through menopause and is no longer able to conceive, is it a sin to have relations with her husband? Since it would be only for pleasure, since she would be past the stage of being able to conceive.
 
If a woman has gone through menopause and is no longer able to conceive, is it a sin to have relations with her husband? Since it would be only for pleasure, since she would be past the stage of being able to conceive.
But it wouldn’t be “just for pleasure,” which implies lust. Sexual relations are also unitive, and a unique way for married couples to express love. So, of course, it would not be sinful.
 
I haven’t been keeping up with the thread, but I’ll jump in to add that the reason sex between married couples feels good is because it is good.

The pleasant physical sensations mirror the goodness of the procreative nature of the act.
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But it wouldn’t be “just for pleasure,” which implies lust. Sexual relations are also unitive, and a unique way for married couples to express love. So, of course, it would not be sinful.
Right.
 
To be clear, I am not disagreeing with Pope Pius. That being said, I think this does not condemn a Catholic couple for desiring pleasure within the marriage act, nor do I think it explicitly condemns certain methods of achieving pleasure within the marriage act.
Pope Pius XII from his Address to Midwives:

Therefore, the spouses, by seeking and enjoying this pleasure, do not do anything wrong. They accept what the Creator has intended for them.
In total agreement there.
Nevertheless, here also, the spouses must know how to keep themselves within the limits of a just moderation. As with the pleasure of food and drink, so also with the sexual, they must not abandon themselves without restraint to the impulses of the senses.
Once again, in total agreement. However, this does not condemn a man or woman from seeking sexual gratification within the bounds of marriage. To my understanding, Pope Pius is saying that unchecked gratification of our sexual appetites with pleasure as its sole end is wrong, as it is with anything else.
And this law, so very reasonable, concerns not only the substance, but also the circumstances of the act, so that, even when the substance of the act remains morally safe, it is possible to sin in the way it is performed.
Okay, but could you elaborate? If he is referring to such acts as anal sex, oral sex(meaning to the point of male climax), or “threesomes”, then I would say that it’s a “no-brainer.” But what about oral or manual stimulation? If my wife decides to turn me on by putting on some sexy lingerie and posing in front of me, is that sinful?
This anti-Christian hedonism too often is not ashamed to elevate itself to a doctrine, inculcating the ardent desire to make always more intense the pleasure, in the preparation and in the performance of the conjugal union, as if in matrimonial relations the whole moral law were reduced to the normal performance of the act itself, and as if all the rest, in whatever way it is done, were justified by the expression of mutual affection, were sanctified by the Sacrament of Matrimony, and made worthy of praise and reward before God and conscience. There is no thought at all of the dignity of man and of the Christian – a dignity which restrains the excess of sensuality. No; the gravity and the sanctity of the Christian moral law do not allow for an unchecked satisfaction of the sexual instinct, tending only to pleasure and enjoyment. They do not permit rational man to let himself be mastered to such an extent, neither as regards the substance, nor the circumstances of the act.
Once again, vague. I’m not one to say that “anything goes” as long as contraceptives aren’t involved, but I think it’s easy to take the above passage and misinterpret it to the point of rendering sex stale. Besides, doesn’t a married person have a duty and responsibility to satisfy his/her spouse in the marriage bed? Moreover, wouldn’t the temptations towards things like pornography and masturbation be that much stronger for person who was not satisfied in their sex life?
There are some who would allege that happiness in marriage is in direct proportion to the reciprocal enjoyment in conjugal relations.
Of course pleasure is not the be all and end all of anything in life. That being said, you wouldn’t want to eat oatmeal for breakfast every morning would you?
 
Masturbation is a normal stage when you hit puberty.
What does “normal stage” mean? Does this capture it:
  • it is normal to experience the desire;
  • a large proportion of young people succumb to the desire;
The above are I think uncontroversial facts. The problem (IMHO) with your statement is it may be read as you using the word “normal” to imply “good, or required” or similar. It is “likely”, but neither good nor required.
 
But the **purpose of the act is for procreation **and the act must always be open to the possibility of procreation. The fact that it just happens to feels good is a side benefit (for lack of a better term.)
That is not the sole purpose in humans, though for much of the animal kingdom, that may be largely true.
My point is that when people put the “feels good” aspect ahead of the procreative aspect then you start to have a morality issues.
You might, but it is not axiomatic. And to clarify, “procreative” does not mean “seeking procreation” - it just means that the form of the act is apt for procreation. So, I think you meant to say is *"…when people put the “feels good” aspect ahead of the **procreation *aspect then you start to have morality issues". And that statement can be problematic, as the following questions may indicate:

Do you agree that it is perfectly licit to engage in sexual relations with your spouse, while simultaneously desiring not to conceive?

Do you agree that is perfectly licit to engage in sexual relations with your spouse after menopause?
 
Jansenism infected the Catholic Church in Ireland and northern Europe and this terrible error became deeply rooted in American soil. Add to it the error of clericalism, with its deep-seated antipathy and distaste for marital intimacy, and the result is a screwy view which is a siren song for many devout souls - that all sex is sinful. I’ve read old missals from the 1920’s-1950’s that advised Catholic women not to receive Communion if they’d had relations with their husband the night before. Excuse me? The goofy priests who wrote that must have had some sick and serious issues themselves. God made sexual relations for one purpose: to build strong marriages and to produce offspring within those marriages. All forms of human love are reflections of the many-faceted love God has for each of us. Many mystics (Therese of Avila, John of the Cross, etc.) state that sexual union is the closest reflection of God’s love for each human soul. The soul is the bride and Christ, the bridegroom. Jesus himself said this, used these same words, described himself as the bridegroom coming for the bride. To the people of his time, the sexual reference was abundantly clear. However, it takes some extrapolation for modern minds to discern the sexual reference Jesus employed to describe his relation to each soul. It is that deep of a union minus the more carnal or animal aspects of erotic love but with the passion and ecstasy nonetheless - even more so because that imperfect union we experience in this life is made perfect and complete and pure in paradise.

Pious skunks often cloak their own sexual dysfunction in the garb of extreme piety to deflect criticism of their own warped or inadequate character. Don’t let this sickness infect your soul as it has so many other earnest and devout souls.

Love your wife and have an enjoyable and fulfilling sex life with her. The act must be self-giving (not selfish) and open to the transmission of life. There is nothing wrong and much good in wholesome loving sexual relations between a husband and wife.
 
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