Sex-change vicar back in pulpit

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Franciscan said:
The Church of England has long lost all credibility.Could this happen in the Church (Catholic Church)?
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O don’t believe so because we don’t have women priest. He/she is now a woman or at least believes he/she is.
 
Franciscan said:
The Church of England has long lost all credibility.Could this happen in the Church (Catholic Church)?
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I don’t believe so because we don’t have women priest. He/she is now a woman or at least believes he/she is.
 
How can this even be allowed??? I know sex changes work (I studied human sexuality as my minor in college), but seriously, what kind of example is this setting to the rest of us and the world??

It can’t be possible that she/he would be allowed to even give a sermon. First he was a man, now she’s a woman. Women cannot be priests, it’s against all teaching of the Bible. Sex changes are a bit too controversial, how can this Reverend even think of doing this? I’m just glad it’s not in the CC, but still!
 
This picture leads to the question, “How can any reasonable member of the Church of England stay?”

Then it leads to the realization, that this is the best thing for unity. The infiltration of this nonsense into the break away churches leads those who are serious to come back to Rome.

Maybe it’s part of God’s plan after all.👍
 
Franciscan said:
This picture leads to the question, “How can any reasonable member of the Church of England stay?”

Then it leads to the realization, that this is the best thing for unity. The infiltration of this nonsense into the break away churches leads those who are serious to come back to Rome.

Maybe it’s part of God’s plan after all.👍
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Something I never thought of. You could be right.
 
“She” is not a “She” and never can be. That he willingly mutilated his body for personaly sexual gratification is a grave evil. Can you image accepting communion from his hands? Where have they been?

I am sorry, and I do not mean to offend Anglicans or Episcopaleans out there, but it seems to me that the Anglican Church has lost its way. While I suspect there have been some Catholic Priests who engaged in this same grave sin of self-mutalation (aka sex-change surgery or “gender reassignment”), they do not remain priests, and, I suspect, they may even have been excommiunicated. Even the ones who managed to stay out of the pokey would always be, at best laicized.

Obviously, there are some Anglicans and Episcopalians out there who are outraged, and quite rightly so. I would encourage you to consider that, while all episcopal communities have their faults, at least the Catholic Church has maintained a strick and unchanged moral standard. That many do not follow that standard is simply an expression of the fallibility of men. But to permite this, to tacitly endorse this is just wrong.

Even St. Augustine in the 5th century rebuked those who sought castration. This is not exactly a new sin.

One final point. This was a trerribly biased news story. After describing his welcome as “warm” it was very briefly mentioned that a parishoiner had to be escorted out because of an “outburst”. No other mention. Was it just shouted from the back of the church? (That is something typical hypersensitive liberals cannot tolerate.) Was it ongoing heckling? (Which admittedly has no place in church. Did the person just do something with their body like stand up or refuse communion or walk out? It did say they were escorted out, but that could mean someone just close4d the door behind them. What was the form of this “critical outburst”? That is hiddfen from the reader yet is actually a critical aspect to how well he can perform his ministry. Even the amputated description was couched in the proclamation of a succesful transformation from a man into an it.
 
This leads me to pose an interesting question: Does the CC officially accept transsexuals? And what if an ordained Catholic priest did this? It would be a tricky situation.

If the answer is no, the CC does not accept transsexuality, then he could possibly have his faculties removed and be ordered to stop presenting himself as a priest (I suppose he would be “in grave error, having mutilated his body and creating scandal”), but would not ever stop being a priest.

If the answer is yes, the CC accepts transsexuality, then wouldn’t he have to cease being a priest, because he’s just become a woman and supposedly women are ontologically incapable of being a priest? But we say that ordination places an indelible character on one’s soul. Can that be erased, even through a sex change?
 
Franciscan said:
This picture leads to the question, “How can any reasonable member of the Church of England stay?”

Then it leads to the realization, that this is the best thing for unity. The infiltration of this nonsense into the break away churches leads those who are serious to come back to Rome.

Maybe it’s part of God’s plan after all.👍
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God allows evil for a greater good, than to allow no evil at all.

Maybe, just maybe, God allowed for the Protestant Reformation in order to give the Church a wake up call and free it from the scandals of that time.😉
 
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That he willingly mutilated his body for personaly sexual gratification is a grave evil
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The article doesn’t say why Rev Stone got the sex change. Why do you think it was for sexual gratification?
ChemicalBean said:
Does the CC officially accept transsexuals? And what if an ordained Catholic priest did this? It would be a tricky situation.
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No, the Church does not recognize sex change. And yes, a priest who underwent sex change would present a sticky situation. It appears that the Church’s policy, as spelled out in a 2003 non-public document, is:
recommendation of psychiatric treatment and spiritual counseling for transsexual priests. It suggests they can continue to exercise their ministry privately if it does not cause scandal.
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The document apparently also states that transsexuals are not to be ordained or admitted to religious life due to mental instability.
tgcrossroads.org/news/archive.asp?aid=599
 
ChemicalBean said:
This leads me to pose an interesting question: Does the CC officially accept transsexuals? And what if an ordained Catholic priest did this? It would be a tricky situation.

If the answer is no, the CC does not accept transsexuality, then he could possibly have his faculties removed and be ordered to stop presenting himself as a priest (I suppose he would be “in grave error, having mutilated his body and creating scandal”), but would not ever stop being a priest.

If the answer is yes, the CC accepts transsexuality, then wouldn’t he have to cease being a priest, because he’s just become a woman and supposedly women are ontologically incapable of being a priest? But we say that ordination places an indelible character on one’s soul. Can that be erased, even through a sex change?
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This was an Anglican not a Cathoilc Priest. Yes, they do accept women priests; and apparently they do accept the self-mutilated too. However, I feel it is important to point out that this person is not a woman. Don’t believe me, take a blood test and look at his 23rd chromosone!
 
rpp said:
This was an Anglican not a Cathoilc Priest. Yes, they do accept women priests; and apparently they do accept the self-mutilated too. However, I feel it is important to point out that this person is not a woman. Don’t believe me, take a blood test and look at his 23rd chromosone!
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Hey, thanks, I understood that it was an Anglican priest. But now the article has me playing “what-if” games. And your chromosome statement has given me another.

We know there is evidence of women who have the genotype XY on the 23rd pair. I recall hearing about this through some karotyping done on Olympic athletes in decades past, where they disqualified women who had been found to carry the Y chromosome. Evidently, they were phenotypically (although sterile) females because for some reason their bodies failed to kick out male levels of testosterone during early development.

What does the church have to say about the sex of these women? Are they women, because they would have mostly the appearance of women and would have been socialized with female gender roles, or are they men because they are genetically male? And if they are genetically male, does that make them ontologically male? Could they be ordained as priests?
 
Dale_M said:
The article doesn’t say why Rev Stone got the sex change. Why do you think it was for sexual gratification?
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We’re waiting with bated breath for someone to tell us of another plausible reason.😃
 
Dale_M said:
The article doesn’t say why Rev Stone got the sex change. Why do you think it was for sexual gratification?
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We’re waiting with bated breath for someone to tell us of another plausible reason.😃
 
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