"sex industry" morality and definition

[royal_archer]

This topic got another thread derailed so I am crating this thread to address the subject.

How would you define the “industry”. Obviously it is not a single entity controlled by one human source. This is a collection of industries covering a wide spectrum. I would like to hear everyone’s points of view with regards to various aspects of this spectrum.

 

[fbl9]

our countries are called industraul countries that does not mean industry is controlled by a single human source.I theenk when people refer to the “sex industry” they mean strip clubs,pr mags,and pr movie makers. and now i guess one can also include web cams and such.the way i see it no actual physical exchange is made between persons. Where as sex trade is just that sex is traded for something.Not to derail your thread so soon but this came up in me mind the other day…What would happen to all the people involved in the “sex industry”(as i described)if it all just went away,ie they all woke up one morning with no “job”?thye have no unemployment issurance or do they? would all the christian taxpayers pay more in taxes to support these people or wqould they toss them out and say see that’s what you get for being a sinner?

 

[royal_archer]

our countries are called industraul countries that does not mean industry is controlled by a single human source.I theenk when people refer to the “sex industry” they mean strip clubs,pr mags,and pr movie makers. and now i guess one can also include web cams and such.the way i see it no actual physical exchange is made between persons. Where as sex trade is just that sex is traded for something.Not to derail your thread so soon but this came up in me mind the other day…What would happen to all the people involved in the “sex industry”(as i described)if it all just went away,ie they all woke up one morning with no “job”?thye have no unemployment issurance or do they? would all the christian taxpayers pay more in taxes to support these people or wqould they toss them out and say see that’s what you get for being a sinner?

Some of those organizations are recognized by the government as standard jobs and the people pay taxes and would receive unemployment and welfare just as other workers in the entertainment or retail industries. However, prostitutes who work as sole proprietors probably do not report income.

Now how far would your deffinition of the sex industry go? would it include all people who are employed by television stations that present sexually explicit programs? Would this include those who manufacture and sell sexualy oriented clothing and other “devices”? Would your definition include those who use sexuality to advance their personal agendas or increase their income?

 

[Swan]

I hope this doesn’t derail your thread but I was just thinking this morning about the differen ways society regards say a stripper and the CEO of a corporation that continually violates (or seeks to lessen or overturn) environmental and worker protection laws. The stripper is seen as a sinner, a purveyor lust, disgusting. But the CEO is more likely to be seen as a successful businessman, the epitome of the American Dream, because he has money and is doesn’t sully himself at a personal level. The fact that he makes his money by disregarding what is best for society in the interest of profit is rarely considedered, at least not by the conservatives who will be having the biggest moral issues with the stripper. Just a comment.

As to the “sex” industry, I would have to include things that had to do with sex, such as sex toys, to porn., to strip clubs. I live in Los Angeles, I guess the San Fernando Valley is the porn producing capital of the world. Young women, very attractive ones, come out here eager to get into the business because they can make a lot of money fast which goes against the suggestion that women are forced into the business, though I’m sure this happens with prostitution.

 

[royal_archer]

I hope this doesn’t derail your thread but I was just thinking this morning about the differen ways society regards say a stripper and the CEO of a corporation that continually violates (or seeks to lessen or overturn) environmental and worker protection laws. The stripper is seen as a sinner, a purveyor lust, disgusting. But the CEO is more likely to be seen as a successful businessman, the epitome of the American Dream, because he has money and is doesn’t sully himself at a personal level. The fact that he makes his money by disregarding what is best for society in the interest of profit is rarely considedered, at least not by the conservatives who will be having the biggest moral issues with the stripper. Just a comment…

It seems underrecognized the number of times that those in the business world have to swallow their pride and are forced to set asside their personal integrity to have success in the business world. Not so much with CEO but the middle managers and salaried personel at the CEOs disposal. They like the “adult entertainers” get pigeon holed and forced int situations where they can not get a job with equivalent pay but better conditions.

As to the “sex” industry, I would have to include things that had to do with sex, such as sex toys, to porn., to strip clubs. I live in Los Angeles, I guess the San Fernando Valley is the porn producing capital of the world. Young women, very attractive ones, come out here eager to get into the business because they can make a lot of money fast which goes against the suggestion that women are forced into the business, though I’m sure this happens with prostitution.

What about make up and intimate apperal?

 

[fbl9]

Some of those organizations are recognized by the government as standard jobs and the people pay taxes and would receive unemployment and welfare just as other workers in the entertainment or retail industries. However, prostitutes who work as sole proprietors probably do not report income.

Now how far would your deffinition of the sex industry go? would it include all people who are employed by television stations that present sexually explicit programs? Would this include those who manufacture and sell sexualy oriented clothing and other “devices”? Would your definition include those who use sexuality to advance their personal agendas or increase their income?

i guess one should also include those who manufacture the clothes and other devices. as for the TV part i would only include the stations that only air adult"entertament".this mess just gets bigger and bigger.

 

[edwest2]

“sex industry” is a fake use of words. The term “sex worker” is also a fake use of words.

Both terms refer primarily to prostitution, a term which was criticized on the radio recently by a happy sounding young man who said, “Prostitution. What an ugly word. I think it should be replaced with ‘working girls.’”

By applying the word worker, the listener may be inclined to think of prostitution as just another job. It is firstly, immorral, as it denies the basic dignity of the men and women involved. Those who go to prostitutes do the same to themselves and the prostitutes. Those who view porn do the same.

Sexual devices are a broad category that appeal primarily to novelty and have no actual therapeutic value.

Using fake words, like ‘adult entertainment,’ to describe prostitution or other sexual acts performed to create arousal in the viewer is pornography, plain and simple. It’s porn, not art. It’s porn, not “First Amendment” protected “expression.”

The “industry” includes video, printed matter, devices and live or phone oriented performances. It is all immoral and damages the sacredness of the sexual act and the dignity of all who are involved in willingly producing, distributing and selling it. The internet is the worst outlet.

God knows, I’m not perferct. I encourage everyone to not view their fellow human being as an object but as person with full, God given human dignity and respect.

God bless,
Ed

 

[royal_archer]

How about all of the women, and some men, who provide sexual favors in exchange for gifts?

 

[joeybaggz]

Am curious where this is going.

Is there a good sex industry and a bad one?

Is manufacturing novelties, clothing, and toys good for married couples, but bad for un-married couples?

Is Victoria’s Secrets moral when they sell provocative lingeries to a married woman, but bad when they sell it to a woman merely living with her boyfriend?

Can a porn movie be bad, but put to a “good” use?

And if the endgame is to try to eradicate bad pornography, well even if you were successful to get it out of the local marketplace, I think you’ll find that the preponderance of internet porn sites, are located in foreign countries.

Just wondering???

 

[joeybaggz]

Oh, and sorry if my last post seemed like I was trying to hijack or derail the thread. It wasn’t my intention. I’m just curious if the OP had more in mind than a simple definition.

 

[royal_archer]

Oh, and sorry if my last post seemed like I was trying to hijack or derail the thread. It wasn’t my intention. I’m just curious if the OP had more in mind than a simple definition.

This set of topics derailed several other forums so I figured We could have this thread to deal with the issues. I would rather see the scope of this thread grow than this topic taint other threads where this issue would derail them.

 

[royal_archer]

Am curious where this is going.

Is there a good sex industry and a bad one?

Is manufacturing novelties, clothing, and toys good for married couples, but bad for un-married couples?

Is Victoria’s Secrets moral when they sell provocative lingeries to a married woman, but bad when they sell it to a woman merely living with her boyfriend?

Can a porn movie be bad, but put to a “good” use?

And if the endgame is to try to eradicate bad pornography, well even if you were successful to get it out of the local marketplace, I think you’ll find that the preponderance of internet porn sites, are located in foreign countries.

Just wondering???

are you implying that not all pornography or products of the sex industry are bad? Possibly that there are benign as well as beneficial aspects?

How would you segregate the products of the “industry”.

 

[AHapka]

I hope this doesn’t derail your thread but I was just thinking this morning about the differen ways society regards say a stripper and the CEO of a corporation that continually violates (or seeks to lessen or overturn) environmental and worker protection laws. The stripper is seen as a sinner, a purveyor lust, disgusting. But the CEO is more likely to be seen as a successful businessman, the epitome of the American Dream, because he has money and is doesn’t sully himself at a personal level. The fact that he makes his money by disregarding what is best for society in the interest of profit is rarely considedered, at least not by the conservatives who will be having the biggest moral issues with the stripper. Just a comment.

Which CEO of which company? You are making a generalization here. I’m sure not all are like the bad ones. How do you know for sure that every single one of them disregards what’s best for society? Also, don’t forget that some CEO’s are shes.

I think the thing is that being a CEO is not intrisically sinful. A CEO can sin, but does not have to. Something like pornography is intrisically sinful. Having sex outside of marrige is sinful no matter what the reason.

 

[edwest2]

Am curious where this is going.

Is there a good sex industry and a bad one?

Is manufacturing novelties, clothing, and toys good for married couples, but bad for un-married couples?

Is Victoria’s Secrets moral when they sell provocative lingeries to a married woman, but bad when they sell it to a woman merely living with her boyfriend?

Can a porn movie be bad, but put to a “good” use?

And if the endgame is to try to eradicate bad pornography, well even if you were successful to get it out of the local marketplace, I think you’ll find that the preponderance of internet porn sites, are located in foreign countries.

Just wondering???

There is no value in the novelties you mention.

Victoria’s Secret is not a problem since they only sell what might be described as clothing meant for private use. They do not sell pornography.

There is no such thing as a good use for a movie showing prostitutes performing sex acts.

So what if internet servers are located in foreign countries? This is a global problem ranging from forced prostitution to child pornography. It is a worthy goal to ask all countries to refrain from degrading, forcing and otherwise exploiting the sexual act and the human person outside of marriage, and never for public “entertainment.”

God bless,
Ed