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There is no specific timeline for things. If the couple started straight with intercourse but let’s say, the wife did not climax, it is the loving thing for the husband’s to make sure she does afterward and it would be within the context of the conjugal act.

It’s not game over when the man ejaculates.
Is that Catholic teaching or “a bit of Orthodox and Protestant”? 😉

To the OP, personally, I’m not sold on the idea that either party can seek climax apart from an act which would naturally lead to procreation (i.e. apart from coitus). Sexual sin is rampant and very dangerous.

West’s books are good, but are not without their critics and, most importantly, are not magisterial.

If I were you, I’d seek the advice of a priest, or ask for specific magisterial teaching from the other posters that says engaging in activities other than coitus with the intention and result of bringing one or the other spouse to climax is moral.
 
Yes it is!

From the Catechism (my bolding):

As long as the other reasons (procreative, unitive) are not subverted, couples can have sex for the specific purpose of seeking and sharing pleasure, which is part of the unitive purpose anyway. Sex that is not fun is not likely to be very unitive.
Of course you’re right, I should have worded myself better. Pleasure is neither the sole reason for sex nor the best reason to engage in sex. Obviously, sex is an integral part of the act and sex (when used within just bounds) is to be enjoyed. It simply seemed to me that this conversation was taking “sex is primarily about pleasure” as a starting premise and I was trying to correct that. In doing so, I over-corrected. Thanks for being on top of that and for having your CCC handing! 🙂
 
You won’t find any official teaching/doctrine on this point, only opinion. You will need to work through those opinions for yourself.
… there’s no Vatican handbook for Catholic couples in the bedroom, so you’ve just got to explore the opinions offered.
I agree with this point. Hopefully, you have nurtured and developed your conscience within the Church, through her teachings and with prayer and the Holy Spirit. It is inescapable that sometimes, there won’t be an official law to follow and you will just have to trust that conscience you developed.

I hope soon that Catholics will have a clear understanding of sex, without necessarily having strict guidelines for a personal moment (the missionary position, for example). It is an act between two unique individuals that is extremely private and personal between themselves and God; so while it needs guidelines it just can’t be over regulated. Good for you for not being afraid to ask; embarrassment over sex leads to poor sex education and a whole society of the two genders fearing each other. You’re partners, and your genitals shouldn’t be treated as enemies, but gifts. I’m so glad this thread is full of intelligent people who have positive healthy and** respectful views on sex:thumbsup:

I don’t think it’s fair if you never try to help your wife achieve orgasm just because you finished first. Years of that would make her feel left out of the act entirely and make it very one-sided. When God invented sex, he made sure it would bond two people by releasing endorphins in their brains, not by magic. These won’t be released for her if she physically or emotionally isn’t enjoying it. Accepting this does not destroy the mystery of the union but ignoring it entirely would disrespect the second purpose of the act. Frankly it would be unloving as at that point you are just using her as an incubator for a baby.

Keep in mind that in marriages where the couple is infertile, they are still allowed to engage in intercourse. In fact, every time you have sex would be a sin unless your spouse got pregnant each and every time, and thus you wouldn’t know if you were sinning or not until weeks later!
Don’t get me wrong, creating new life is the first priority, but the woman carrying the child is also an important life, a human being in her own right. Your equal should have an equal experience while you are becoming one.

That being said, don’t feel sinful if you tried but couldn’t help her climax. Like someone said before, it’s pretty difficult if she is also a virgin. But you do have your whole lives and unlimited tries to figure it all out! Hooray for that! And congrats on your engagement;)
 
My understanding is that once the act is over, it’s over and any subsequent acts to simulate your spouse would be impermissible.
Not my understanding, and I wonder from where you acquired this idea? In the context of a licit conjugal act, I can see no issue, and I know of know authoritative teaching which would prevent, stimulation of the woman to orgasm before or after coitus.
 
I am a little late to the party, but I will just add the “statutory” answer (I am a lawyer after all).

This question comes up all the time, but, it’s not really that complicated (if you are allowed to talk bluntly, which I will).

To sum it up, there are really only three hard and fast rules:
  1. The man and woman must have the intention of the man climaxing inside the woman;
  2. The woman’s climax should come “within the context of” intercourse, where the man and the woman have the intention of the man climaxing inside the woman; and
  3. No artificial contraceptives may be used with the intention of preventing pregnancy.
These are the clear limitations laid out by the magisterium. Other Catholics have other opinions out there about other restrictions and things that are “immoral”, and people are of course free to have (and live by) those opinions. However, they are just opinions and not binding on all Catholics. Those are the only three defined hard and fast rules about sexual activity between married couples. If both couples are fine with an activity, and it doesn’t violate one of those three rules, it’s perfectly permissible and between the married couple.

With regard to 1, there is the qualifier “the intention of” because, especially when you are newly married, there might be some “oops” moments. If you are truly waiting for marriage, as a man, you might be too excited and, while you and your wife intend for you to finish inside the woman, you may be overstimulated and you may climax before you get to that point. If that happens, don’t worry about it and obsessed that you “sinned” or weren’t “open to life.” Your wife will likely feel desirable and everything is fine. Speaking from experience, for Catholic couples that wait until marriage, that type of thing can happen, especially as newlyweds.

With regard to 2, essentially that means no sexual activity outside of “the context of intercourse.” No mutual masturbation. Now, there is no strict rule on “how long,” but, in the couples judgment, it must be within the context of intercourse. If the man climaxes inside the woman, they talk lay in bed and talk and cuddle for 5 minutes, and then the man helps the woman finish, probably fine. If the man finishes inside the woman; he heads out the door to pick up some groceries and wash his car, 2 hours later comes back to finish off his wife, probably not “within the context” of the original act. But, what that means is within the prudent discretion of the couple.

The qualifier is also added “within the intention of…” because, there may be times when, in the course of sexual activity, the man helps the woman achieve climax, with the intention of later climaxing inside the woman (also fine). However, before the man can climax, 3 year old daughter knocks on the door crying with a tummy Ache, the smoke detector goes off, etc., and the man doesn’t climax. Don’t obsess about it, it wasn’t a sin. The intention was right.

The point is that sex should be unitive and procreative. This means that for sexual activity within a married, the three concrete rules are that the man and the woman must intend that:
(1) the man climaxes inside the woman; and
(2) The woman’s climax occurs “within the context of” (whether before, after or during) intercourse.
(3) Not to use artificial contraception with the intention of preventing pregnancy.

Don’t sweat it. If you follow those three rules, then nothing you are doing is violating what the magisterium teaches. There are endless discussions about various people’s opinions about what is or isn’t compatible with the “procreative” or “unitive” aspects of sex. Those are all interesting, but they are just opinions.

Of course, the other “subjective” rule is that everything done should be respectful and loving to the other spouse. So, even if it’s not “morally impermissible” to, for example, use handcuffs. If one spouse finds it disrespectful, unloving, or demeanining, then it should not be done.
 
Hello! I am a young man who is excited to be getting married in May to the love of my life. We are both Roman Catholic and our faith is the biggest things in our life. The problem is the church’s teaching on what is allowed and what is not was never really brought up in our household. It is somewhat sad, I even go to a Catholic college and I can’t find answers. To be honest before I post I do not want anyone to think that I am focused on the pleasure of the conjugal act. I am more looking forward to be able to just sleep with my future wife each night and be close. But at the same time as we get closer this is more on our mind.

So my question is what is allowed? I have seen some other questions on the forum but these somewhat confused me. I know masturbation is a grave sin and i understand and agree with those reasons but with my future wife is it wrong to use things such as vibrators before or after to help her climax? I know it is harder for women to get to that point (or so I have heard ha I am still a virgin) so is that allowed? Also what about oral sex?

THese in and of themselves when aimed just at the pleasure are obviously morally wrong but if they lead to the conjugal act is that ok? On the other post It also said it was not wrong to help your wife reach an orgasm if you have already and cannot continue. It said it was ok to use your hand or even a vibrator to get her to that point. Now to me that does not seem ok in any sense. Can someone explain this or give me references? I ask to have some sort of reference to back it up. I do not wish to hear opinions but teachings. Thank you so much for your help and God Bless.
My humble advices:

Pray, pray, pray God during the fiançailles for your future conjugal sexual life.

Read some catholic books about Conjugal sexual ethic.

Talk, communicate and debate before the marriage* on all the marital sexual topics*. During the preparation of catholic marriage, the engaged persons need to have a talk with a focus on the morality of marital act, in the catholic way with all corollaries (between fiancées, it is very useful and prudent).

Have some talks with her on her own sexual needs, her own sexual desires, her own sexual hopes, her own sexual expectations, her own sexual wishes, her own sexual wills, her own sexual vows, her own sexual ideals, her own sexual intentions, her own sexual mentalities, her own sexual beliefs, her own sexual diseases, her own sexual culture, her sexual education, her own almost non negociable sexual things (in positive and in negative) and her sexual fears concerning the marital act (all the topics about the conjugal sexuality); Have some talks with her on your own sexual needs, your own sexual desires, your own sexual hopes, your own sexual expectations, your own sexual wishes, your own sexual wills, your own sexual vows, your own sexual ideals, your own sexual intentions, your own sexual mentalities, your own sexual beliefs, your own sexual diseases, your own sexual culture, your own sexual education, your own almost non negociable sexual things (in positive and in negative) and your sexual fears concerning the marital act (all the topics about the conjugal sexuality). Each engaged person should say to the other,* its needs, its desires, its hopes, its wishes, its wills, its vows, its ideals, its intentions, its fears, its moral issues, its religious issues, its spiritual issues, its religious mentality, its spiritual mentalities, its religious beliefs, its spiritual beliefs, its cultural beliefs, its fears, its diseases and its almost non-negociable things… about the marital act with all the corollaries.* *The fact of being be honest and the fact of praying are the very good ways for preparing the marital sexual life. *For instance, these are few questions in link with: 1.The “Quis”, the person who has realized the act (who): The husband and the wife 2.The “Quibus auxiliis”, the means used or employed? 3. The “Quid”, the act that the person has made (what)? 4. The “Ubi”, the place where the person has made the act (where)? 5. The"Quando", the time when the person has made the act (when)? 6. The “Quomodo”, the manner which the person has made the act (how)? 7. The “Cur”, the motives that have motivated the person to perform the act (what for)? 8. The “Circa quid”, the matter (material) on which the person has acted? Who? What? Where? When? Why? What for? In which intention? How many times? How often ? How fast? How? Which manner?..etc???
 
Hello! I am a young man who is excited to be getting married in May to the love of my life. We are both Roman Catholic and our faith is the biggest things in our life. The problem is the church’s teaching on what is allowed and what is not was never really brought up in our household. It is somewhat sad, I even go to a Catholic college and I can’t find answers. To be honest before I post I do not want anyone to think that I am focused on the pleasure of the conjugal act. I am more looking forward to be able to just sleep with my future wife each night and be close. But at the same time as we get closer this is more on our mind.

So my question is what is allowed? I have seen some other questions on the forum but these somewhat confused me. I know masturbation is a grave sin and i understand and agree with those reasons but with my future wife is it wrong to use things such as vibrators before or after to help her climax? I know it is harder for women to get to that point (or so I have heard ha I am still a virgin) so is that allowed? Also what about oral sex?

THese in and of themselves when aimed just at the pleasure are obviously morally wrong but if they lead to the conjugal act is that ok? On the other post It also said it was not wrong to help your wife reach an orgasm if you have already and cannot continue. It said it was ok to use your hand or even a vibrator to get her to that point. Now to me that does not seem ok in any sense. Can someone explain this or give me references? I ask to have some sort of reference to back it up. I do not wish to hear opinions but teachings. Thank you so much for your help and God Bless.
You need to try of knowing, in the natural and catholic way, if you are almost on the same line, intellectually speaking, psychologically speaking, mentally speaking, emotionally speaking, morally speaking, theologically speaking, philosophically speaking about the conjugal rules of the marital act. *Are you almost comptatible, a priori? *

*Do you have the same level of view of moral standards of the marital act? *

Evaluate the compatibility, via communication, via discussion about what is morally permissible. Otherwise, the sexual life will be very difficult, no sexual harmony, no same view of conjugal sex life.

What is wrong,** by nature,** and what is wrong, **only, in function of circumstances? *A debate before the marriage in order to be on the same line, the obligation of information to the other before entering into the sexed and sexual contractual institution of marriage. *The purpose is of avoiding *the stupid issues after the wedding. *

Are you on the same line? Is there a same understanding of the catholic morality of the marital act, in the details, with all the subtelties of this catholic huge teaching?

A priori, do you have the same view of the Holy conjugal erotism of the marital act in the respect of the natural order? The modus operandi of the marital act in link with the catholic morality?

For information:

How would you know if you are sexually compatible?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=782582

Marital Foreplay and Sex
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=664612

Advice Please - Wife Going Overboard
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=777655

Is a married couple allowed to engage in certain sexual practices?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=774122

Question about a sexual intimacy problem
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=737220

Marital Bliss?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=768695

Recreational Sex
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=766330

Retaliating against a spouse who refuses sex
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=761955

Newlywed & fear of penetration
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=609952

Is it vital that spouses have the same “love language”?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=792863
 
OF COURSE you must help your wife to achieve orgasm if she so wishes it. Can you imagine how frustrating it could be for her if she was almost there and you stopped? She could be in a high state of arousal, and it is the kind and loving thing to do to bring that arousal to completion, whether you use battery powered toys or not. Several sessions of being left high and dry without orgasm, and she could be less inclined to have sex.

There is too much splitting hairs on the sexual concerns in the Catholic church - you can see how people within the church do not see the rules in the same way, even if this thread conversation.

Too many rules, too much guilt. Lighten up, folks, and enjoy sex as it was given to us by God.
 
OF COURSE you must help your wife to achieve orgasm if she so wishes it. Can you imagine how frustrating it could be for her if she was almost there and you stopped? She could be in a high state of arousal, and it is the kind and loving thing to do to bring that arousal to completion, whether you use battery powered toys or not. Several sessions of being left high and dry without orgasm, and she could be less inclined to have sex.

There is too much splitting hairs on the sexual concerns in the Catholic church - you can see how people within the church do not see the rules in the same way, even if this thread conversation.

Too many rules, too much guilt. Lighten up, folks, and enjoy sex as it was given to us by God.
A recent post by phillylawyer summed up the “rules” as being just 3. Do you find that excessive? Which would you dispense with? Why?
 
To the OP,
As a married woman with, uh, some experience (married 20 years 😉 ), I would suggest not attempting to use a vibrator or sex “toys” for at least the first year (if at all). Even though they may work, they can actually be harsh and may make your wife less sensitive to your tender touches, and make it more difficult in the long run to determine what naturally works for her and what doesn’t. Over time, it can also make it more difficult for her to reach orgasm without the aid of the vibrator (not a fun place to be in as a wife).

IME, it’s better to skip the toys, and spend your intimate time together focused on each other, exploring each other, loving each other, and finding out what works naturally. Be sure to listen to her and pay attention to her responses during sex (then, even if she’s shy talking about it, you can probably figure out what she enjoys–and what she doesn’t). I’d also suggest showing her and telling her that she is beautiful, on a regular basis, so she’s more likely to feel attractive and desirable–and therefore less self-conscious during sex. 👍

Also want to mention, most of us women generally don’t need to orgasm every single time we have sex in order to feel “satisfied” through sex with our husbands. So even though, as others have mentioned, you should try to help her acheive orgasm, try not to go too far the other way and make it the whole “goal” of sex, where you feel like a champion if she does, and feel like a loser if she doesn’t–or, worse, make her feel like you’re disappointed in the sex or in her if she doesn’t (though I doubt you’d do that!).

And congrats on your engagement! 🙂
 
Not my understanding, and I wonder from where you acquired this idea? In the context of a licit conjugal act, I can see no issue, and I know of know authoritative teaching which would prevent, stimulation of the woman to orgasm before or after coitus.
The key is to have it in the general context of intercourse. It’s not easily defined, but the Stewart standard of you knowing it when you see it seems to apply. It’s not a bright line rule. Certainly, however, the scenario previously offered of such acts occuring two hours after coitus would be impermissible (unless, of course, it is in the context of another act of having sex). Common sense, here, of what is and is not in the context of the marital act would seem to be the standard.
 
A recent post by phillylawyer summed up the “rules” as being just 3. Do you find that excessive? Which would you dispense with? Why?
No I don’t find it excessive - it is all the other hairsplitters who solemnly declare that masturbation is wrong under any circumstance, (what, even to bring the wife to completion?), and other restrictions that would appear to be their personal opinion rather than the ruling of the church.

The members of the church are turning sex into a thoroughly rule ridden performance that is getting distasteful. 3 rules is enough, without getting into sub-clauses and corollaries.

So what if the kids have interrupted you for an hour or two, the hubby has climaxed before the interruption, and the wife would still like completion? Would a 55 minute gap be acceptable, but not a 65 minute gap? Does the poor woman have to wait until her hubby is able to get another erection and go for full sex again? OR can the married couple use their discretion and complete the session with the fulfillment of the wife? Without having to go to confession, feel guilt, or any of the other emotional manipulations that the lay people on this forum seem to want to pile onto them?

Do you remember how angry Jesus got with the Jews of his time, with their hairsplitting over every little rule? To glean some corn on the Sabbath while walking through a field, but running your hand over one corn stalk was as big a sin as spending the day working. They had got as far as deciding how many steps you could take after getting out of bed before you could wash your hands and face.

I feel that many people in the Catholic church are at the same stage of nit-picking as those Jews were. Lighten up!!!
 
I feel that many people in the Catholic church are at the same stage of nit-picking as those Jews were. Lighten up!!!
Here you speak of individuals, though earlier you seemed to refer to the Church as the source of hair-splitting (I may have misconstrued your intent). I think we agree it is not. On this topic, it sets out the important principles and leaves “details” (such as whether two acts are in the one context) up to individuals to discern, as it does in many other areas (NFP comes to mind).
 
Dude,
I think you want someone to justify your masturbation or premarital sex. Just go do whatever.
 
Hello! I am a young man who is excited to be getting married in May to the love of my life. We are both Roman Catholic and our faith is the biggest things in our life. The problem is the church’s teaching on what is allowed and what is not was never really brought up in our household. It is somewhat sad, I even go to a Catholic college and I can’t find answers. To be honest before I post I do not want anyone to think that I am focused on the pleasure of the conjugal act. I am more looking forward to be able to just sleep with my future wife each night and be close. But at the same time as we get closer this is more on our mind.

So my question is what is allowed? I have seen some other questions on the forum but these somewhat confused me. I know masturbation is a grave sin and i understand and agree with those reasons but with my future wife is it wrong to use things such as vibrators before or after to help her climax? I know it is harder for women to get to that point (or so I have heard ha I am still a virgin) so is that allowed? Also what about oral sex?

THese in and of themselves when aimed just at the pleasure are obviously morally wrong but if they lead to the conjugal act is that ok? On the other post It also said it was not wrong to help your wife reach an orgasm if you have already and cannot continue. It said it was ok to use your hand or even a vibrator to get her to that point. Now to me that does not seem ok in any sense. Can someone explain this or give me references? I ask to have some sort of reference to back it up. I do not wish to hear opinions but teachings. Thank you so much for your help and God Bless.
You need to discuss about:
**
The N.F.P. and the natural methods for avoiding or postponing a new baby** (the responsible procreation - the responsible motherhood and the responsible fatherhood -, the acception of grave and serious reasons, the conjugal theoritical providentialism of the procreation, the conjugal quiverfullism of the procreation, the conjugal fideism of the procreation, the conjugal quietism of the procreation),* the future education of children;
*
The articulations of ends of marriage and the articulations of ends of the marital act (the conjugal personalism and the senses of marital act);

The rights / duties / obligations of wife, the rights / duties / obligations of husband, the rights / duties / obligations of mother, the rights / duties / obligations of father concerning the marital act, on the conjugal life and on the family life;

**The equity and the equality between wife and husband : **the mutual, reciprocal, bilateral, equal, equitable and reasonnable donation of persons (body, soul and heart)
 
I second this recommendation. It doesn’t avoid the “nitty gritty” but it’s also very good on the theology aspect. It definitely made me appreciate sex more for what it is and what it signifies.
I agree Holy Sex is a good read for both of them. Read it together.
There is no specific timeline for things. If the couple started straight with intercourse but let’s say, the wife did not climax, it is the loving thing for the husband’s to make sure she does afterward and it would be within the context of the conjugal act.

It’s not game over when the man ejaculates.
Is that Catholic teaching or “a bit of Orthodox and Protestant”? 😉

To the OP, personally, I’m not sold on the idea that either party can seek climax apart from an act which would naturally lead to procreation (i.e. apart from coitus). Sexual sin is rampant and very dangerous.

West’s books are good, but are not without their critics and, most importantly, are not magisterial.

If I were you, I’d seek the advice of a priest, or ask for specific magisterial teaching from the other posters that says engaging in activities other than coitus with the intention and result of bringing one or the other spouse to climax is moral.
I do not have the exact quote, but Blessed John Paul II said something to the affect that it is the husband and wife are to try to climax together and if not it is husband’s duty out of love to bring his wife to a climax. This includes after his orgasm.
Dude,
I think you want someone to justify your masturbation or premarital sex. Just go do whatever.
Not sound advice at all. I fail to see how the OP is searching for justification. AND he is not to (as a faithful Catholic) to “just go do whatever.”

A better thing to do would be to read what the Church says in this area:

Marriage found in the Catechism

What many people fail to realize is that the Church is not obsessed with sex or some kind of buzzkill to monitor and ruin everyone’s sex life. The Church asks that each act be procreative and unitive. She does not get into the specifics of what is “allowed” and not “allowed.” We as husbands and wives are to discuss this and find out what this act means for each of us and how we will express our love in this way. As we strive to remain open to life (procreative) and renewing our marriage vows (unitive) the rest is open to what the couple determines is acceptable and not offensive to their spouse.

There are good guidelines out there from many faithful Catholics. The foremost is Theology of the Body by Blessed JPII. Take the time to read this or even the summaries by other authors (yes including Christopher West) to find out about what the Church teaches in this area.
 
Hello! I am a young man who is excited to be getting married in May to the love of my life. We are both Roman Catholic and our faith is the biggest things in our life. The problem is the church’s teaching on what is allowed and what is not was never really brought up in our household. It is somewhat sad, I even go to a Catholic college and I can’t find answers. To be honest before I post I do not want anyone to think that I am focused on the pleasure of the conjugal act. I am more looking forward to be able to just sleep with my future wife each night and be close. But at the same time as we get closer this is more on our mind.

So my question is what is allowed? I have seen some other questions on the forum but these somewhat confused me. I know masturbation is a grave sin and i understand and agree with those reasons but with my future wife is it wrong to use things such as vibrators before or after to help her climax? I know it is harder for women to get to that point (or so I have heard ha I am still a virgin) so is that allowed? Also what about oral sex?

THese in and of themselves when aimed just at the pleasure are obviously morally wrong but if they lead to the conjugal act is that ok? On the other post It also said it was not wrong to help your wife reach an orgasm if you have already and cannot continue. It said it was ok to use your hand or even a vibrator to get her to that point. Now to me that does not seem ok in any sense. Can someone explain this or give me references? I ask to have some sort of reference to back it up. I do not wish to hear opinions but teachings. Thank you so much for your help and God Bless.
Some questions:

Conjugally sexually speaking:

Is she a manichaean person ? Is she a cathar person? Is she a jansenist person? Is she a quietist person? Is she a fideist person? Is she a theoretical providentialist person? Is she a quiverfull person? Is she a puritan person? Is she a victorian person? Is she a moralist person? Is she a rigorist person? Is she an externalist person? Is she a judgmentalist person? Is she a pharisaical person? Is she a naive person? Is she a shy person? Is she an uptight person? Is she a prudish person?

Are you a manichaean person ? Are you a cathar person? Are you a jansenist person? Are you a quietist person? Are you a fideist person? Are you a theoretical providentialist person? Are you a quiverfull person? Are you a puritan person? Are you a victorian person? Are you a moralist person? Are you a rigorist person? Are you an externalist person? Are you a judgmentalist person? Are you a pharisaical person? Are you a naive person? Are you a shy person? Are you an uptight person? Are you a prudish person?
 
The Priest that is marrying my fiancée and me gave us West’s book “The Good News About Sex and Marriage.” To me, it is very much in line with John Paul II’s “Theology of the Body” and the best writing on the subject.

West points out that 2/3 of what the Church has ever taught on sex was written by JPII. Truth doesn’t change but our understanding of it can grow. John Paul II took what seemed to most Catholics to be outdated “rules” on sexuality and showed why they ARE important in our path to holiness in the modern world. In my opinion, the Theology of the Body writings were totally inspired by the Holy Spirit and so needed.

Often our Protestant brothers and sisters will say, “those Catholics, they drink and gamble (play bingo) in their Churches…what sinners.” Well, Catholics don’t believe that the human person is totally depraved. You can drink and gamble, just not in excess, so that it isn’t sinful. Likewise, sex in the right context is a wonderful thing, a gift from God. It is a renewal of the marriage covenant. Sex for bad reasons hurts people. This sinner right here will tell you that is the truth based on a former life.

I think the key is to approach the marital act in holiness and total giving through the 3 rules already mentioned. If we go to far with the “rules,” we start approaching sex as innately sinful and take a puritan attitude. Likewise, too far the other way, we start using our partner for our pleasure. Either of the extremes aren’t sex as the great gift God gave us for husband and wife.
 
Some questions:

Conjugally sexually speaking:

Is she a manichaean person ? Is she a cathar person? Is she a jansenist person? Is she a quietist person? Is she a fideist person? Is she a theoretical providentialist person? Is she a quiverfull person? Is she a puritan person? Is she a victorian person? Is she a moralist person? Is she a rigorist person? Is she an externalist person? Is she a judgmentalist person? Is she a pharisaical person? Is she a naive person? Is she a shy person? Is she an uptight person? Is she a prudish person?

Are you a manichaean person ? Are you a cathar person? Are you a jansenist person? Are you a quietist person? Are you a fideist person? Are you a theoretical providentialist person? Are you a quiverfull person? Are you a puritan person? Are you a victorian person? Are you a moralist person? Are you a rigorist person? Are you an externalist person? Are you a judgmentalist person? Are you a pharisaical person? Are you a naive person? Are you a shy person? Are you an uptight person? Are you a prudish person?
Other questions before the marriage:

*Is she an angelical person? Is she a scrupulous person? Is she an obsessed person by the sins of the conjugal flesh? Does she see the near occasion of sins of the conjugal flesh, very easily? Is she a radical feminist person? Is she a primary anti-personalist person?

Are you an angelical person? Are you a scrupulous person? Are you an obsessed person by the sins of the conjugal flesh? Do you see the near occasion of sins of the conjugal flesh, very easily? Are you a radical masculinist person? Are you a primary anti-personalist person?*
 
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