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Hello, everyone!

I am here to beg for help. I am a homosexual and I understand this is not what God wants from us. I do understand I will never change and that this is part of me. So that I would like to live a holy life in chastity. But I am deeply addicted to sex and other means of pleasure and I don’t know how to control it. Please, anyone here who has had the same experience and overcame this obstacle that can help me? I’m only 22 and I am really confused. 😦

I really appreciate the help and answers.

God bless you all.
 
I would encourage you to check out Courage, the Church’s apostolate dedicated to exactly your situation: couragerc.org

I have heard Father Check speak on this topic and he is a wonderful, loving priest - well-suited to the task.

Let me also suggest an article I recently read about five Catholics from my diocese living with same-sex attraction and describing the joys and struggles of embracing chastity: thecatholicspirit.com/special-sections/marriage/living-with-same-sex-attraction.

You are in my prayers and I respect the difficulty of your situation and the enormous gravity of what Christ’s Church calls you to.
 
Philws…may God Bless you and aid you in yr struggle…I am soo impressed to hear someone with same sex attraction express a desire to live a chaste/celebant life…I am hetorosexual so I don’t really totally understand yr plight…however…if I were not married I would still make every attempt to live a chaste and celebant lifestyle…I like the suggestion about the Catholic organization ‘Courage’…I have seen members of this group on EWTN and I truly admire their courage…no punn intended…I must admit though I fail to see how one’s desire for sexual contact is any different regardless of one’s preference for gender…I suppose I mean…does anyone really think that hererosexual individuals who aren’t living in a Sacramental marriage do not suffer with desires…anyway…I admire you for wanting to live chaste/celebant…PAX
 
Hello, everyone!

I am here to beg for help. I am a homosexual and I understand this is not what God wants from us. I do understand I will never change and that this is part of me. So that I would like to live a holy life in chastity. But I am deeply addicted to sex and other means of pleasure and I don’t know how to control it. Please, anyone here who has had the same experience and overcame this obstacle that can help me? I’m only 22 and I am really confused. 😦

I really appreciate the help and answers.

God bless you all.
God bless you and be with you! The Lord loves you far beyond your imagination.

I second the post of Wampa who gave you information about the apostolate courage. God’s grace is not wanting, and He is with you always.

Mary, Seat of Wisdom, Pray for us!

Do take advantage of their encouragement and direction.
 
I must admit though I fail to see how one’s desire for sexual contact is any different regardless of one’s preference for gender…I suppose I mean…does anyone really think that hererosexual individuals who aren’t living in a Sacramental marriage do not suffer with desires
If I can help you understand what it’s like and how being a chaste homosexual is different than being a chaste heterosexual (as someone who struggles with something similar myself), it is not just a matter of gender. Heterosexual singles who want to remain faithful to the Church do struggle with maintaining chastity but also have the potential for sacramental marriage at least somewhere on their horizon, and all the God-given benefits and blessings that come with that. There is great consolation even in that potential, just the thought that “maybe someday God will find me the perfect spouse” is often enough for them to keep their hopes up and persevere in chastity.

Homosexual singles who want to remain faithful to the Church also struggle maintaining chastity, yes, but have to do it on the knowledge that they will never have sacramental marriage anywhere on their horizon and will therefore never have any of the God-given benefits and blessings that come with it. There is therefore no consolation for them, and that even if they were to try to force themselves into a sacramental marriage to someone of the opposite sex, it would indeed involve either a miracle of God to change their orientation, some kind of deception over their spouse which would nullify the marriage, or cause the marriage disorder in the event that it was known and consented to. They are therefore resigned to be single and alone in this life, and so without those supports or goals to look forward to, they have only the thing itself (imposed celibacy for the rest of their lives) to greet them… which makes the necessary task of persevering in chastity all the harder. Further, they are forced to remain celibate whether they want to or not, unlike religious and priests who volunteer for it. All of these constitute struggles that the chaste heterosexual doesn’t have to face.

Also, while there are usually an abundance of talks, seminars, retreats, prayer groups, and other support structures in place within parishes for promoting chastity in marriage and among heterosexuals (and for good reason!), the outreach for those suffering with homosexuality is far slimmer at the diocesan and parish level. So not only is it a harder ordeal to struggle with, involving multiple crosses with little hope in life other than foggy uncertainty, but also finding help for it is harder, which is itself yet another cross.

Courage is definitely more than necessary and the importance of the work that it does simply can’t be overstated. I recommend that people struggling with this particular faith journey get in contact with them. What is is an email support group, which doesn’t sound like much, but at least it’s something.
 
Mark, what a beautiful and eloquent post. You wonderfully described what I had in mind, but couldn’t articulate, when I said “the enormous gravity of what Christ’s Church calls you to”.
 
I would encourage you to check out Courage, the Church’s apostolate dedicated to exactly your situation: couragerc.org

I have heard Father Check speak on this topic and he is a wonderful, loving priest - well-suited to the task.

Let me also suggest an article I recently read about five Catholics from my diocese living with same-sex attraction and describing the joys and struggles of embracing chastity: thecatholicspirit.com/special-sections/marriage/living-with-same-sex-attraction.

You are in my prayers and I respect the difficulty of your situation and the enormous gravity of what Christ’s Church calls you to.
Hello, Wampa!

Thank you for that. Both websites are great and I will definitely make good use of them. God bless you for your help. Nobody can understand the pain I’ve been through lately. Whenever I try to talk to someone about it, they make me feel worse.

If I talk to a homosexual, they will always say I’m crazy for being gay and Catholic, that I should “leave the Church and be happy”.

If I talk to a religious person, they say I’m going to hell and that I should “change”. But I know I won’t change although this is not a rightful behavior. Only priests could give me nice and comforting advice, assuring me I can live well, but according to God’s will - and this is the difficult part, considering I’m addicted to sex and other lustful behavior, but I do try to avoid them, now more than EVER as it is causing me too much pain.

I’m terribly afraid of not joining the Lord when I depart for such behavior. 😦
 
Homosexual singles who want to remain faithful to the Church also struggle maintaining chastity, yes, but have to do it on the knowledge that they will never have sacramental marriage anywhere on their horizon and will therefore never have any of the God-given benefits and blessings that come with it. There is therefore no consolation for them …] They are therefore resigned to be single and alone in this life, and so without those supports or goals to look forward to, they have only the thing itself (imposed celibacy for the rest of their lives) to greet them… which makes the necessary task of persevering in chastity all the harder. Further, they are forced to remain celibate whether they want to or not, unlike religious and priests who volunteer for it. All of these constitute struggles that the chaste heterosexual doesn’t have to face.
You said everything that is my head. I feel sad for this. I feel sad for the fact I cannot constitute a family in the future and that I will die alone. That’s the worst thing that can ever come to my mind.
 
Thank you so much everybody for all the replies so far!

I want to share a piece of a moment I had today which made me think a lot about this.

I was coming home from work and I couldn’t help noticing the guy by my side. He was on his smartphone using an app I also have download - which I ought to deleted right away - and I could see his behavior. As I am a good observer, I saw the way he moved and looked to other people - especially men - and his facial expressions. I felt too sorry. Not for him, naturally, but for me. I thought: “how can I, as a young man who professes a Christian faith, take part in such a world?”. I don’t feel only sad and confused now, but also ashamed of myself for doing all I have done.

I just hope I can take it for my life and feel happy for being a chaste man.
 
Philws,

With the Lord all things are possible…and what an awesome Lord we have!
 
I’m terribly afraid of not joining the Lord when I depart for such behavior. 😦
In a time when nobody judges their actions, you’ve managed to judge your own too hard. Maybe you’re spiritually dead, you have right to be worried, but our God raises the dead! I don’t want to tell you what you’re doing is okay, but you’ve recognized the sin and are fighting it! If you truly resent the sin and continue to sin, you likely lack free consent of the will, meaning that this is not a damning matter.

As I said previously that doesn’t justify the sin but perhaps it can give you inner peace. You can Fight the Good Fight with God’s help; judging by your wisdom in previous posts it seems God is already with you.

I suspect that everyone here is praying for you, and since God loves you what can Satan do to you? As for the matter at hand, I would recommend Courage (as previously mentioned) and the Angelic Warfare Confraternity (angelicwarfareconfraternity.org/) which is dedicated to chastity.
 
You said everything that is my head. I feel sad for this. I feel sad for the fact I cannot constitute a family in the future and that I will die alone. That’s the worst thing that can ever come to my mind.
Hello, my dear brother in Christ!

Please allow me to give you the tiniest glimmer of hope.

Beginning in the early 1990’s, I lived as a lesbian and considered myself such for about 10 years. I had a couple serious relationships, one that lasted 8 years, and we even “married” (not legally in those days). I marched in the parades, sang and spoke at the rallies, volunteered at the centers. I was out, loud, and proud – and I made it clear to everyone that I was “born that way” and could never change. I was outside the Church during this time.

But I did. No silver bullet, no method or system, no sudden turning point. But after ten years of living that life, I left it, civilly married a childhood male (!) friend, and after a couple months of marriage realized that I had NO interest in women anymore. This is certainly the short story, but the upshot of it is that I have no traces of same-sex-attraction anymore.

My husband and I divorced after only 4 years of marriage. To be fair, I knew he didn’t want to be married before I married him; and I only married him because he felt “safe” and I wanted to have a child. Our intimate life was never good, but we did have a child, and I still don’t have any SSA.

I have a couple of points here:

First, you may change in the future. Only God knows. But don’t believe the “born that way” propaganda. Get a good spiritual director. Maybe talk with a Catholic therapist about any childhood issues (in my case my childhood included dealing with family alcoholism and pornography addiction). Get involved in your parish and begin to develop strong friendships. Stay open to what God has in mind for you.

Second, even some of us heterosexuals do not have a hopeful future with regard to marriage. I mean, I’m 47, my son is only 10, and the last thing he needs is a step-father. He’s shown me that in so many ways. By the time he graduates from high school, I’ll be in my mid-50s – and I’m just not seeing a lot of marriageable men in my future at that point. As I see it, YOU have a more hopeful future for companionship than I do!

All that being said, my life is full and rich and very, very good. I’ve accepted that I may be “alone” for the rest of my life once my son leaves home, especially if God calls my son to the priesthood or monastic life (as I suspect He may). But I’m ok with that and wouldn’t go back to my messed up past for anything!

Get that support system set up in your life – spiritual director/confessor, circle of friends, and maybe a Catholic counselor/therapist.

God bless you, dear one! You will be in my prayers.

Gertie
 
Thank you everybody for the replies and recommendations! I am really glad I have received this support here and in all the other places I searched for help. These last days I spend seeking the Lord, studying and praying. Turns out that I could maintain full celibacy for more than a week already! I’m very happy as this is the longest days I could keep with no sinful behavior regarding sexuality.

Thank you once again,
God bless you all! 👍
 
Thanks be to God!

Now if in the future, you do sin again, go to confession and start over. Just keep reaching out to God and opening your heart to grace.

God bless you, dear one!

Gertie
 
First of all, I completely agree with your advice and I’m glad the original poster is feeling better about things, but I just feel like I have to add this.
Now if in the future, you do sin again, go to confession and start over. Just keep reaching out to God and opening your heart to grace.
At least for me though, it seems all there is to do half the time… when one IS single and chaste… is to go back and forth to Confession every week. Who else is expecting you? Who else do you have to go talk to? I don’t have to be told to go to Confession. I already do it twice a week. I have more than enough time to sit in Confession. I don’t have anyone else to spend time with.

The fact of the matter is, going to Confession doesn’t solve the root of the problem: being lonely in this world. Yes is absolves the sins that result from the loneliness, but it doesn’t stop one from being lonely.

Just the other day, I was listening to EWTN radio and they had a guest on extolling the benefits of married life, and he was going on and on (in order to combat the anti-marriage culture): “Married people live longer than single people! Married people are healthier than single people! Married people are involved in less crime than single people! Married people…etc.!”

Now I know the guest only meant to criticize worldly singles, but the way he was going on and on about just how much better married people are than the rest of us just left me saying “wow, life really sucks for us single people then…”

Please accept my apologies. It’s just frustrating sometimes, especially when you’ve tried everything and nothing works.

Jesus, have mercy on me.
 
First of all, I completely agree with your advice and I’m glad the original poster is feeling better about things, but I just feel like I have to add this.

At least for me though, it seems all there is to do half the time… when one IS single and chaste… is to go back and forth to Confession every week. Who else is expecting you? Who else do you have to go talk to? I don’t have to be told to go to Confession. I already do it twice a week. I have more than enough time to sit in Confession. I don’t have anyone else to spend time with.

The fact of the matter is, going to Confession doesn’t solve the root of the problem: being lonely in this world. Yes is absolves the sins that result from the loneliness, but it doesn’t stop one from being lonely.

Just the other day, I was listening to EWTN radio and they had a guest on extolling the benefits of married life, and he was going on and on (in order to combat the anti-marriage culture): “Married people live longer than single people! Married people are healthier than single people! Married people are involved in less crime than single people! Married people…etc.!”

Now I know the guest only meant to criticize worldly singles, but the way he was going on and on about just how much better married people are than the rest of us just left me saying “wow, life really sucks for us single people then…”

Please accept my apologies. It’s just frustrating sometimes, especially when you’ve tried everything and nothing works.

Jesus, have mercy on me.
I feel you. I understand what you are feeling because I also felt this way. However, as I have stated in another thread of mine, Catholic media, culture and principles appear to be fading away from its real source and secularism appears to be as present inside the Church as it is in a disco. Thus, it means that many people will take “desperate actions” to impose their views or, intentionally or not, they end up harming people who just want to be in our real home - the holy Church.

I have felt terribly sad because I believed the only desirable life I could ever have was to have a family, be married, have a house, a car, a dog… But once, while preparing and getting dressed to start my daily prayers, something came to my mind. I saw that perhaps I was projecting my life in what I wanted to be and have, what other people expected of me, what society told me was acceptable or not. Then again, I remembered that the holiest people on earth were not married. I can’t accept the idea that our dear and Blessed Theresa lived a miserable sad and short life. And the Apostles, Saint Francis, Saint Augustine? They lived happy, powerful, important and blessed lives before us. And Saint Augustine even lived a “worldly life” before conversion. They were not married, they had no children, they served the Lord and they are remembered until our days and they will be so forever: because they served the Lord with joy and happiness.

I know how you feel when people say “just go to confession” or “it’s a simple thing” or “nobody ever died for not having sex”. I have been told all these things, but I can assure you that what matters is what the Lord wants from us. We can’t have all we want, but if we listen to the Lord’s voice inside of us, asking us to follow him and do what is good, we ought to be much happier.

I’m still struggling, but I believe I am on the right path by trying to understand what the Lord wants from me. For that, I must always remember what he said in the old times: “Listen, oh Israel! The LORD is our God. The LORD is One”. We must remember He is the Lord and His will be done, not ours. So we can live a joyful life with Him.

Be strong and the Peace of the Lord be with you forever and ever. 😉
 
Firstly, God Bless You as well! All things are possible through Him. I will presume to add to the well-written posts so far, by addressing just one aspect:
But I am deeply addicted to sex and other means of pleasure and I don’t know how to control it.
Addiction is real, and is spiritual, physiological, and moral in its effects. I have found that, as catholic man with what I have come to believe is a sexual addiction, the 12 steps have made a profound difference in being able to avoid compulsive, demoralizing sexual behavior that has been a recurrent pattern of sin for me. These are not a replacement for my faith, the Church, or the sacraments; rather the 12 steps, and the resulting fellowship of addicts, has been crucial in avoiding that which comes between me and my faith.

The 12 steps exist outside any specific theological framework, but I have found them to be wholly consistent with my faith. There has been some catholic influence with, and scrutiny of, AA, the originator of the 12 steps:

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=703

I will not specifically endorse any of the “S followships” within this forum, but in my journey I have found the white book much closer to my faith than the green book.

The core of my journey is surrender to God; this is not, for me, a one time event, but a recurring labor, which with the help of His grace, the sacraments, and my acceptance of them through faith and action, has kept me from sin. You are in my prayers, Pilws.
 
I know how you feel when people say “just go to confession” or “it’s a simple thing” or “nobody ever died for not having sex”. I have been told all these things, but I can assure you that what matters is what the Lord wants from us. We can’t have all we want, but if we listen to the Lord’s voice inside of us, asking us to follow him and do what is good, we ought to be much happier.
Oh yes. I know I do a lot of “grumbling” but I am convinced that God wants to shower each and every one of us with more graces than we could ever imagine… not just in some future state of heavenly bliss, but right now, here on earth. I also convinced that the only thing keeping a guy like me from these abundant blessings (regardless of state) is my own unwillingness to simply do what God inspires me daily to do.

There’s a way to live the single life with such openness to others that you literally have no time to be lonely. I’m convinced of this. It doesn’t just have to mean going to visit people in hospitals or prisons or this or that. What gives me consolation is recognizing the fact that there are so many blessings that come with a single life that married people simply don’t have (and probably wish they did).

One of them is the blessing of TIME, free time … free time to do what I want to do, to cultivate relationships with diverse people (rather than just one). I realized the other day that I could so easily just go shopping for the needy any day of the week… Because I don’t have to be anywhere for anyone… I could go a long way in keeping the parish St. Vincent de Paul kitchen stocked any day of the week…

Another blessing is the blessing of funds… at least for my case. Because I don’t have a family to support… I have a whole lot more available funds to give away… I could easily afford to shop for winter coats and stuff them down the Salvation Army boxes and keep needy children warm for the winter… and what would I lose? Money that was just going to sit in my bank account anyways? What’s another 50-100 bucks to me?

Another blessing is total participation at Mass… I bet most parents wish they could have the solemn devotion and full participation that I get to experience week after week at Mass. Since I don’t have rambunctious little ones to try to keep in the pew, I can have a total observance, 1:1 with the Lord, prayer and meditation on the readings in ways that many married people can’t… and sometimes I guess I just don’t appreciate a gift like that as much as I should.

Being single, I can be abundantly generous with my time, resources, and talents, for the sake of Christ and the glory of God… and what’s amazing about it all is that not only does living such generosity (if I should accept it) become an opportunity to show love to others, but also richly blesses me in return, giving me a larger “spiritual family” than I ever could’ve had if I had an actual family in tow.

I’m convinced of this.
 
Philws;12488321 said:
Hi, just wanted to add my 2 cts.

You say you are addicted… why not focus on healing that, and see where things go from there? you are very young, how do you know what you will feel like in 10 or 15 years time if you focus on your addiction and heal it?

I’m sure with prayer and patience the Lord will school you in terms you will understand intimately and lead you to a peaceful life be it single or married. In this world with so many ways one can to contribute to society through our jobs and in church being really alone would come as a surprise.
 
I would encourage you to check out Courage, the Church’s apostolate dedicated to exactly your situation: couragerc.org

I have heard Father Check speak on this topic and he is a wonderful, loving priest - well-suited to the task.

Let me also suggest an article I recently read about five Catholics from my diocese living with same-sex attraction and describing the joys and struggles of embracing chastity: thecatholicspirit.com/special-sections/marriage/living-with-same-sex-attraction.

You are in my prayers and I respect the difficulty of your situation and the enormous gravity of what Christ’s Church calls you to.
If there is not a Courage group near the person seeking help…then one can be counseled, encouraged and guided by telephone.
 
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