Sexual sins in the Bible

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Can someone tell me where in the Bible sexual sins are mentioned? Especially fornication? My boyfriend claims there is nothing in the Bible against fornication and I have been trying to teach him the true immorality of it for quite some time. Any help is appreciated. I thought they are somewhere in the Pentateuch, I just don’t know where. And Jesus speaks of immorality as well, I just don’t know exactly where.
 
1 Corinthians 6:9-10:
Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes nor sodomites
nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.
That was from the USCCB but some protestant groups have a searchable bible.

biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=forn…version1=9
 
The former may be likely. Not the Latter. He doesn’t try to make me do anything. I am just concerned about the future, because I hope we will have one, but we need to be on the same page as far as religion and morality go in order for that to happen, I think.

Are there sources that show specifically why it is wrong?
 
I recommend that you get a copy of If You Really Loved Me by Jason Evert. Here’s a link to some sample pages from the book: catholic.com/chastity/chastity_questions.asp

Here’s a link to an article written by Mary Beth Bonacci called “Chastity”: staycatholic.com/chastity.htm

Check out this link from the Catholic Answers main page (link to “Chastity”): pureloveclub.com/ . I think you 'll find some good resources there. Keep learning and praying and God will bless your efforts!
 
The written Torah never forbids sex outside of marriage except for adultery and incest. Fornication is not expressly forbidden.

It is forbidden however, in the Talmud. An example of morality devloping beyond biblical law.

And there may be verses in the Christian Bible that prohibit it. That I don’t know.
 
It was not official church policy until the council of Trent in the 15th century that a third party (i.e., a priest), as opposed to the couple themselves, was responsible for performing the wedding.

Some translations of the New Testament forbid fornication: “Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers,… will not inherit the kingdom of God”. The original Koine Greek word translated as fornication is porneia. The Greek term is used by some churches to include any form of sexual misconduct and there is some debate as to the precise meaning of the word, which in Classical Greek refers specifically to prostitution and is etymologically the same root as in the English “pornography”; in a religious sense it is generally accepted to refer to any form of sexual immorality.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church lists fornication as one of the “Offenses Against Chastity” and calls it “an intrinsically and gravely disordered action” because “use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.”
 
The written Torah never forbids sex outside of marriage except for adultery and incest. Fornication is not expressly forbidden.

It is forbidden however, in the Talmud. An example of morality devloping beyond biblical law.

And there may be verses in the Christian Bible that prohibit it. That I don’t know.
Isn’t fornication considered a form of adultery? They are both sex with someone you are not married to when you cannot licitly give yourself in that way.
 
It was not official church policy until the council of Trent in the 15th century that a third party (i.e., a priest), as opposed to the couple themselves, was responsible for performing the wedding.
How did they get married before that? Did they just cohabitate and ‘consumate’ that?

Some translations of the New Testament forbid fornication: “Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers,… will not inherit the kingdom of God”. The original Koine Greek word translated as fornication is porneia. The Greek term is used by some churches to include any form of sexual misconduct and there is some debate as to the precise meaning of the word, which in Classical Greek refers specifically to prostitution and is etymologically the same root as in the English “pornography”; in a religious sense it is generally accepted to refer to any form of sexual immorality.
That is very interesting. I am a classics major. Thanks for that info.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church lists fornication as one of the “Offenses Against Chastity” and calls it “an intrinsically and gravely disordered action” because “use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” **because the Church itself decided what the purpose of it is, and who are they to decide what the purpose should be and what people can and can’t do with their bodies? ← question my boyfriend would say to that. sigh **
 
I recommend that you get a copy of If You Really Loved Me by Jason Evert. Here’s a link to some sample pages from the book: catholic.com/chastity/chastity_questions.asp

Here’s a link to an article written by Mary Beth Bonacci called “Chastity”: staycatholic.com/chastity.htm

Check out this link from the Catholic Answers main page (link to “Chastity”): pureloveclub.com/ . I think you 'll find some good resources there. Keep learning and praying and God will bless your efforts!
I have given him two Christopher West books. Good News About Sex and Marriage and Theology of the Body for Beginners.
 
It was not official church policy until the council of Trent in the 15th century that a third party (i.e., a priest), as opposed to the couple themselves, was responsible for performing the wedding.
Isn’t this the current theology? The bride & groom are the ministers of the sacrament of matrimony. The priest or deacon is the church’s official witness. And in the US at least, also deputized to be the state’s witness.
 
Isn’t fornication considered a form of adultery? They are both sex with someone you are not married to when you cannot licitly give yourself in that way.
adultry involves sex with a woman who is married (to someone else). See Lev. 20:10
 
Fidelia, I can speak with a lot of experience on this. I once was in the very same position of your boyfriend. I had a Catholic girlfriend who was trying to live her faith out, but I kept telling her that the Bible doesn’t say anything about fornication, and I even tried arguing that the Bible actually endorses it.

I don’t know your boyfriend, and I least of all know his heart, but I can tell you that when I was in this position, I was not concerned with my girlfriend as a person. She had a body, and I wanted it. I said I loved her, I even thought I did, but there is no question that all of that came second if sex was or could be involved.

The fact is that this is not a religious issue. Lots of people might want to not have sex for many reasons. Some want to abstain for the sake of religion. Others may want to for the sake of feeling emotionally unprepared. Others may want to because they don’t feel close enough to their significant other. Others may have a medical reason and be unable to safely have sex. Others may simply not feel well enough for it. There are countless other reasons why one may wish to not have sex. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter, and all comes down to one thing: the person doesn’t want to.

Sex is the most intimate thing we can do. It is so special to all of us, no matter what our beliefs happen to be, because we know how deeply it connects O to who we are. Every priest, minister, rabbi, psychologist, counselor, therapist, and doctor will attest to this. People who are wounded sexually suffer the deepest wounds, wounds that are the hardest to heal, wounds that change even one’s personality so deeply. Sexual wounds change not just a person’s sex life, but their entire life.

This is why a boyfriend or girlfiend cheating on their significant other sexually is so painful. It is something that can only be experienced, cannot be described, and cannot be duplicated by any other sort of unfaithfulness. When a person is unfaithful sexually, they are casting aside something so deeply tied to the very core of a person that it stings and numbs like nothing else. This is thereason that all people, whether atheist or deeply religious, recognize the importance of sex. It is why rape is considered such a terrible, heinous crime - even worse than murder by so many people. It is why a child-rapist is more reviled than a child-killer.

Sex is something that is yours to give or not to give, for whatever reason. A person who respects you as a person will respect this - even if it hurts him, frustrates him, or dissapoints him. A person who does not respect this is, as Jesus might put it, commiting rape in his heart, even if not in his actions. Love does not force itself. You are a human being, a person with feelings, wants, desires, needs, beliefs, and dignity. To try to force you into sex - whether with physical force or with logical argumentation - is to cast aside all of these things, to cast aside every bit of who you are, to get to your genitals.

I do not want to demonize this person. Please understand - especially since I was in his position and didn’t even recognize myself all that I was doing! Nevertheless, I knew in some way, even if only in the back of my mind, that I was not respecting her. I knew the right thing to do was to let her choose. If you love this boy, and if he loves you, then you love so much more than your bodies. He may feel like he cannot express his love without sex, but there are so many other parts of you that he can express his love by interacting with and loving. Even in marriage, there are so many areas to love that can never be loved fully that if one tried to postpone sex until after exhausting them, it would never be reached.

If he wants to love you, ask him to love all of you, including your choices about this most intimate part of you. If he cannot or will not do that, he is at worst unwilling to love you, and at best, through no fault of his own, not yet ready for a relationship based on love.

God bless
 
adultry involves sex with a woman who is married (to someone else). See Lev. 20:10
I thought it was infidelity? Or is it both? If a man cheat on his wife, he is committing adultery, no? Or both he and the other-woman?
But either way, adultery is sex with someone else you are obviously not married to, because you are married to someone else to whom you are not being faithful, making it adultery. But it is still fornication because they are not married to each other. So adultery is a category of forication, then, moreso than the other way around like I said before?
 
Lazerlike42- Good post. Thanks for your experience. I just want to clarify that he never tried to make me do something I don’t want to and has always respected that I don’t want to have sex. I am just saying how it does bother me that he sees nothing wrong with fornication.
 
I thought it was infidelity? Or is it both? If a man cheat on his wife, he is committing adultery, no? Or both he and the other-woman?
But either way, adultery is sex with someone else you are obviously not married to, because you are married to someone else to whom you are not being faithful, making it adultery. But it is still fornication because they are not married to each other. So adultery is a category of forication, then, moreso than the other way around like I said before?
Fornication is sex outside of marriage. Technically, it is not prohibited in the OT. If the woman isn’t married to someone else, it is not adultry. I’m not saying it is morally ok. Just that it is not adultry.

Adultry is sex with a woman who is married to someone else. Prohibited

A married man having sex with another woman who is not married… Not prohibited.

A married woman having sex with a man who isn’t her husband… Prohibited (death penalty for both the woman and the man).

When I say prohibited or not prohibited, I am only referring to biblical injunctions. Not civil law or morally acceptable. Also, as I stated earlier, Judaism does prohibited these unions but it does so through Talmud and rabbinic decrees.
 
You can tell your boyfriend that people did a lot of things 2,000 years ago that we don’t find acceptable today. However, as long as he’s keeping his pants on, I suppose he’s entitled to his opinion.
 
Fornication is sex outside of marriage. Technically, it is not prohibited in the OT. If the woman isn’t married to someone else, it is not adultry. I’m not saying it is morally ok. Just that it is not adultry.

Adultry is sex with a woman who is married to someone else. Prohibited

A married man having sex with another woman who is not married… Not prohibited.

A married woman having sex with a man who isn’t her husband… Prohibited (death penalty for both the woman and the man).

When I say prohibited or not prohibited, I am only referring to biblical injunctions. Not civil law or morally acceptable. Also, as I stated earlier, Judaism does prohibited these unions but it does so through Talmud and rabbinic decrees.
So a man can cheat on his wife but not vice versa? that doesn’t make sense. Didn’t Jesus say that either-sex spouse who cheats commits adultery?
 
So a man can cheat on his wife but not vice versa? that doesn’t make sense. Didn’t Jesus say that either-sex spouse who cheats commits adultery?
I don’t know what Jesus said. I’m just saying that in the OT, it is defined as a man sleeping with a woman who is married to another man.
 
The written Torah never forbids sex outside of marriage except for adultery and incest. Fornication is not expressly forbidden.

It is forbidden however, in the Talmud. An example of morality devloping beyond biblical law.

And there may be verses in the Christian Bible that prohibit it. That I don’t know.
Slightly off topic:

I thought the Torah was the first 5 books of the Old Testament, and the Talmud was basically what Christians call the entire Old Testament (perhaps plus or minus a few books).

It’s not clear to me why you would provide both a “Torah explanation” AND a “Talmud explanation.” Isn’t there one overall Jewish answer? Is the morality of fornication a matter of controversy at this point in the Jewish community?
 
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