Sexuality in Marriage

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Vera_Ljuba said:
The point is that I am interested in finding out if there is an independent, secular underpinning of what the church teaches. .
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A persons personal question in this forum is not really the place to do that… and your doing way more than that…give a call to the Apologist line.
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
If it is grave “sin” to express your love to strengthen your bond with your spouse even if no procreation is involved, then there is something wrong with your concept of “sin”.

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No we have the full concept of sin and better yet we have the full concept of life and virtue and the dignity of marriage and of the person. Such does not express love etc No act that is contrary to the meaning of marriage can express love - rather it is a form of use.
Vera_Ljuba said:
I am sorry, but you are not the authority make decisions about what is and what is not love
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This is not a matter of private opinion but of the Teaching of the Church which has the Authority from God. I am simply noting what that teaching is and what sound moral Theology further discusses.
 
Bookcat said:
Compendium issued by Pope Benedict XVI
  1. What are the goods of conjugal love to which sexuality is ordered?
2360-2361
2397-2398

The goods of conjugal love, which for those who are baptized is sanctified by the sacrament of Matrimony, are unity, fidelity, indissolubility, and an openness to the procreation of life.
  1. What is the meaning of the conjugal act?
2362-2367

The conjugal act has a twofold meaning: unitive (the mutual self-giving of the spouses) and procreative (an openness to the transmission of life). No one may break the inseparable connection which God has established between these two meanings of the conjugal act by excluding one or the other of them.

vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html
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Vera_Ljuba said:
If it is grave “sin” to express your love to strengthen your bond with your spouse even if no procreation is involved, then there is something wrong with your concept of “sin”.

I am sorry, but you are not the authority make decisions about what is and what is not love.
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It’s a Catholic Forum. Posters tend to want solid Catholic info.
 
pianistclare said:
It’s a Catholic Forum. Posters tend to want solid Catholic info.
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Some don’t. They enjoy the challenges. Some even learn from them.

Regarding the topic of this thread I simply cannot imagine that God is a “peeping Tom”, who has nothing better to do, than monitoring every thought and every act of yours and judge you. And I cannot imagine that God would be offended if two people physically expressed their love even when conception is excluded. It is basic human nature to seek pleasure and avoid pain.
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
Some don’t. They enjoy the challenges. Some even learn from them.

Regarding the topic of this thread I simply cannot imagine that God is a “peeping Tom”, who has nothing better to do, than monitoring every thought and every act of yours and judge you. And I cannot imagine that God would be offended if two people physically expressed their love even when conception is excluded. It is basic human nature to seek pleasure and avoid pain.
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Your comments are incorrect and reckless. But that does not matter to you because you do not respect Catholicism or this forum.
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
Some don’t. They enjoy the challenges. Some even learn from them.

Regarding the topic of this thread I simply cannot imagine that God is a “peeping Tom”, who has nothing better to do, than monitoring every thought and every act of yours and judge you. And I cannot imagine that God would be offended if two people physically expressed their love even when conception is excluded. It is basic human nature to seek pleasure and avoid pain.
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Basic human nature goes back to Adam and Eve, so not sure what you mean there…:rolleyes:
Well, what you “think” is not in line with Catholic teaching. It’s your opinion. Nothing more.
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
Regarding the topic of this thread I simply cannot imagine that God is a “peeping Tom”, who has nothing better to do, than monitoring every thought and every act of yours and judge you. And I cannot imagine that God would be offended if two people physically expressed their love even when conception is excluded. It is basic human nature to seek pleasure and avoid pain.
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Such is a misunderstanding of God and of the marital act. And of the nature of God knowing all and being everywhere…and of God being concerned that persons continue in true life and not do themselves and others serious harm by violating chastity and the dignity of the marital bed etc…

Again - we understand your not responding as a Catholic - but this is a forum where people come with questions and advice etc in terms of what the Church Teaches or Catholic Moral Theology.
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
I never implied otherwise.
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Oh I don’t know. I’ve read dozens of posts…you like to push these non-Catholic notions around. 🤷
Just saying. Did you know there’s a sub-forum for non-Catholics?
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
To be respectful does not mean agreement. And disagreement does not imply disrespect.
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I invite you to read your posts.

And recall that this is a forum where a person has come to seek a “Catholic Answer” to a moral question… not misleading answers and comments contrary to our Faith.

And your not keeping with your “stated rule” of " Do no harm."
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
To be respectful does not mean agreement. And disagreement does not imply disrespect.
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I know that it is intellectually stimulating to converse on the boards for you. That is a good thing. Your philosophical ideas are fine to discuss in the proper forum. On a thread where the op is asking within a Catholic context of morality you should not lead them astray. It’s against forum rules and is considered prothletising. I’d encourage you to identify your position on your user name space, which will help you not to appear disingenuous.

Threads like this are specifically for Catholic answers. As the name implies.

Your other threads are appropriate places to debate and pontificate about your secular ideas.

Thank you
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Threads like this are specifically for Catholic answers. As the name implies.
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The OP did not wish to limit the answers to the Catholic point of view. Here is what he said: "I welcome any (name removed by moderator)ut or thoughts on the matter. Please don’t just say pray and take a cold shower…I don’t want to say that’s worthless advice…but …eh…kinda ".
 
Vera_Ljuba said:
The OP did not wish to limit the answers to the Catholic point of view. Here is what he said: "I welcome any (name removed by moderator)ut or thoughts on the matter.

He was posting on a Catholic Answers MORAL THEOLOGY (emps…not shouting…) forum.

Looking for Catholic Moral Answers…(name removed by moderator)ut and thoughts from Catholics on his question…

Not on a secular site
Not on a Buddhist site
Not on an Atheist site
Not on a Jewish site
Not on a Protestant site

He was looking for thoughts in terms of Catholic Moral Theology…to avoid sin and love God and live as a Christian…
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Vera_Ljuba said:
The OP did not wish to limit the answers to the Catholic point of view. Here is what he said: "I welcome any (name removed by moderator)ut or thoughts on the matter. Please don’t just say pray and take a cold shower…I don’t want to say that’s worthless advice…but …eh…kinda ".
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It’s prothletising.

And since you don’t identify Catholic or non Catholic in the right hand corner of your posts, you are being deceptive. This could lead others to harm their faith, the op specifically. You are acting immorally.

I look forward to your posts in the future so please adhere to forum rules so you can continue to post. It would also be respectful and humble if you just said sorry, and corrected the behavior.
 
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