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This is something I can’t help but shake my head about.

As I’ve said several times on this forum, I attend a Tridentine Mass parish staffed by the FSSP. Many people drive long distances to attend that parish each Sunday. Well, I was talking to a lady after Mass today, and she said she wasn’t sure she’d be able to make it to Mass on All Saints Day, as it’s such a long way – 120 miles. Well, if that was the only parish around, then I could understand. But she lives 5 miles from a Catholic parish! However, it’s Novus Ordo, and she doesn’t want to attend Novus Ordo Masses. She brings up the irreverence, improper dress, etc. that she sees in that latter parish. Such things are sad indeed, but missing Mass just because you’re unable to get to a Mass that happens to be your liking is no excuse! And I’ve met others like her at my parish as well.

Not to judge, but people like that seem to have an air of holiness about them. Mind you, I’m far from holy, but I just wish individuals like her would wise up and see that they’re not going to make themselves more holy with attitudes like that but rather the total opposite if they’re not careful.

Just had to get that off my chest.
 
Amen brother. The church has trouble with members on both ends. Lets not forget to pray for those who’s love for the church is misdirected in this manner.

Josh
 
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threej_lc:
Amen brother. The church has trouble with members on both ends. Lets not forget to pray for those who’s love for the church is misdirected in this manner.

Josh
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And also pray for those who have so completely turned others away from the NO Mass by their immodest dress, loud chatter in front of the Blessed Sacrament, running through the aisles shaking hands at the sign of peace, etc,etc,etc.
 
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DavidJoseph:
As I’ve said several times on this forum, I attend a Tridentine Mass parish staffed by the FSSP. Many people drive long distances to attend that parish each Sunday. Well, I was talking to a lady after Mass today, and she said she wasn’t sure she’d be able to make it to Mass on All Saints Day, as it’s such a long way – 120 miles. Well, if that was the only parish around, then I could understand. But she lives 5 miles from a Catholic parish! However, it’s Novus Ordo, and she doesn’t want to attend Novus Ordo Masses. She brings up the irreverence, improper dress, etc. that she sees in that latter parish. Such things are sad indeed, but missing Mass just because you’re unable to get to a Mass that happens to be your liking is no excuse! And I’ve met others like her at my parish as well.

Not to judge, but people like that seem to have an air of holiness about them. Mind you, I’m far from holy, but I just wish individuals like her would wise up and see that they’re not going to make themselves more holy with attitudes like that but rather the total opposite if they’re not careful.
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This is not right. God never said, go to Holy Mass and enjoy it always. We are required to go and if she doesn’t want to drive 120 miles, she needs to attend any mass that she can find.

She needs to give it up for the Poor Souls in Puratory.

However, I have to say that I have been that discouraged with masses in my area. And yes, before I found my parish I could rationalize away why I didn’t have to go. Not correct but honestly understandable.
 
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paramedicgirl:
And also pray for those who have so completely turned others away from the NO Mass by their immodest dress, loud chatter in front of the Blessed Sacrament, running through the aisles shaking hands at the sign of peace, etc,etc,etc.
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Hey! Good idea! Go and pray for the people around her.
St. Monica can help.
 
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paramedicgirl:
And also pray for those who have so completely turned others away from the NO Mass by their immodest dress, loud chatter in front of the Blessed Sacrament, running through the aisles shaking hands at the sign of peace, etc,etc,etc.
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As I said, we have trouble on both ends, and we need to pray for both. It is sad so many Catholics have no sense of the sacred.

All I’m saying is that if us Catholics spent half the time praying for our brothers that we spend complaining about them, the church would be completely reinvigorated.

I’m not against complaining, I’m just for praying at the same time 😃

Josh
 
I attend a nearby Parish that has a Latin Mass each Sunday as well as the NO Mass. There is a parish though where the priest has told his parishioners that the NO Mass is invalid and they are not to attend. He is not SPPX. This is appalling.
 
OK, guys, you’ve lost me.

What is the difference between a Tridentine Mass and a Novus Ordo Mass?

And, while you’re at it, are these two at the “extremes” with other sorts of masses in the middle?

(I’m not being a wise guy, here. I truly have only a vague idea of what y’all are talking about when you speak of these things. I suppose I could go to “Ask Jeeves”, but figured you were better sources of understanding for me.

As always, thank you for your time in responding to my questions.
 
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Figment713:
OK, guys, you’ve lost me.

What is the difference between a Tridentine Mass and a Novus Ordo Mass?

And, while you’re at it, are these two at the “extremes” with other sorts of masses in the middle?

(I’m not being a wise guy, here. I truly have only a vague idea of what y’all are talking about when you speak of these things. I suppose I could go to “Ask Jeeves”, but figured you were better sources of understanding for me.

As always, thank you for your time in responding to my questions.
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My good friend,

The Tridentine Mass is how mass was celebrated before the reforms of the Second Vatican Council in the sixties.
In a nutshell, it’s entirely in Latin, except for the sermon; the altar is up against a wall, with the priest facing it, not the people most of the time; some find the language used to be much more reverant (i am one of them); and lots and lots of incence is used during high mass.
I am one of the crowd who nostalgiates over this. What is funny is that i have never experienced it, and am not old enough to nostalgiate over it.
There are people who would like to see a wider use of the old latin mass, but many are against it. Currently, only a few parishes in my native australia celebrate it legitimately. I have to go to Doonside or Lewisham, both more than half an hour away to participate, without paying a visit to the SSPX.

Any questions?
 
Any questions, you said. I can only hope you meant it.

What is the SSPX?
 
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Figment713:
Any questions, you said. I can only hope you meant it.

What is the SSPX?
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Society of Pope St. Pius X.
An american/french bishop wanted to ordain some priests to say the tridentine mass. OR were they bishops? i cannot remember. But, the Pope, JPII didn’t want them to be priests/bishops.
The guy, Lefebvre (i think i spelt it right) did anyway.
He and his priests/bishops were excommunicated latinae sentinae, menaing they were excomunicated automatically because of their direct disobeyance of the Pope’s orders.They are supposedly a schismatic society, but is considered as an internal matter of the church.

Hope that does it for you.
Any more? I’m having fun!
 
Just a quick word; the term for being excommunicated automatically by virtue of the act itself is latae sententiae. Bishop Lefebvre and his society fell under it by direct disobedience to JPII, as the previous poster noted.

CathChemNerd
 
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DavidJoseph:
This is something I can’t help but shake my head about.

As I’ve said several times on this forum, I attend a Tridentine Mass parish staffed by the FSSP. Many people drive long distances to attend that parish each Sunday. Well, I was talking to a lady after Mass today, and she said she wasn’t sure she’d be able to make it to Mass on All Saints Day, as it’s such a long way – 120 miles. Well, if that was the only parish around, then I could understand. But she lives 5 miles from a Catholic parish! However, it’s Novus Ordo, and she doesn’t want to attend Novus Ordo Masses. She brings up the irreverence, improper dress, etc. that she sees in that latter parish. Such things are sad indeed, but missing Mass just because you’re unable to get to a Mass that happens to be your liking is no excuse! And I’ve met others like her at my parish as well.

Not to judge, but people like that seem to have an air of holiness about them. Mind you, I’m far from holy, but I just wish individuals like her would wise up and see that they’re not going to make themselves more holy with attitudes like that but rather the total opposite if they’re not careful.

Just had to get that off my chest.
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The problem is however, by attending a Mass that is irreverent and or disrespectful or at times sacrilegious can be and is damaging to one’s soul. It is then therefore better to stay away than to expose one’s soul to potential damage. Your point: perhaps not making them more holy; but rather protecting their soul from becoming less holy and even failing into sin is a higher virtue. To purposely expose one’s soul to injury is not sacrifice; it is however foolishness. 🙂
 
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JCB:
The problem is however, by attending a Mass that is irreverent and or disrespectful or at times sacrilegious can be and is damaging to one’s soul. It is then therefore better to stay away than to expose one’s soul to potential damage. Your point: perhaps not making them more holy; but rather protecting their soul from becoming less holy and even failing into sin is a higher virtue. To purposely expose one’s soul to injury is not sacrifice; it is however foolishness. 🙂
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Anyone who is truly strong in their faith shouldn’t have to worry about damage to their soul if the best they can do Mass-wise is an irreverent Novus Ordo. And attending an SSPX Mass is definitely damaging to one’s soul, objectively speaking. The bottom line is that the Church determines when it might be permissible to attend SSPX Masses, not you, me, or anyone else.
 
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DavidJoseph:
Anyone who is truly strong in their faith shouldn’t have to worry about damage to their soul if the best they can do Mass-wise is an irreverent Novus Ordo. And attending an SSPX Mass is definitely damaging to one’s soul, objectively speaking. The bottom line is that the Church determines when it might be permissible to attend SSPX Masses, not you, me, or anyone else.
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You were not refering to the SSPX in your original post. You said " Tridentine Mass parish staffed by the FSSP " which falls under the Indult. Please stay on the topic. 🙂
 
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JCB:
You were not refering to the SSPX in your original post. You said " Tridentine Mass parish staffed by the FSSP " which falls under the Indult. Please stay on the topic. 🙂
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As it is his thread, and the topic was introduced…I think he is on Topic. 🙂 Never hurts to point out what is Tridentine and what is not. :rolleyes:
 
The tridentine mass was introduced at the council of trent in the 1600’s for the latin rite of the Church. Before that, the mass has a long and varied history as to how it was celebrated. newadvent.org/cathen/09790b.htm

The Novus Ordo mass was the mass introduced by Vatican II. It is officially in Latin, but may be translated to English.
The priest may use Latin but other languages are allowed.
The priest may face East, the Wall, the People, or all of these.
The priest may use incense.
The priest may use girl servers if he and his bishop both agree

If the priest wished, he could make a NO mass quite similar to a Tridentine mass, but I am not intrested in going to a mass where the epistle and gospel are in latin.
 
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JCB:
You were not refering to the SSPX in your original post. You said " Tridentine Mass parish staffed by the FSSP " which falls under the Indult. Please stay on the topic. 🙂
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My bad. With all the references to SSPX, I wasn’t thinking straight.

Yeah, the woman in question said she might not go to Mass period if she can’t get to the indult parish. Well, that’s no excuse for missing Mass. It’s a mortal sin to miss Mass on a Sunday or holy day of obligation if you could easily have gone. She may not easily be able to make it to the Tridentine Mass, but she can sure as heck easily make it to the Novus Ordo Mass.
 
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CathChemNerd:
Just a quick word; the term for being excommunicated automatically by virtue of the act itself is latae sententiae. Bishop Lefebvre and his society fell under it by direct disobedience to JPII, as the previous poster noted.

CathChemNerd
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Thank you for correcting my spelling. Much appreciated.
 
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