I guess I was referring to a government-run health care system where any citizen can get treatment without going through a private insurance company or going to the ER and having to go into bankruptcy because they can’t pay the bill.
In which case they all (Italy, Ireland, Brazil) do have the kind of health care you are speaking of, and I really can’t think of a Catholic country that doesn’t, including some pretty poor ones.
A better question would be are there any countries that have socialized health care and have better treatment outcomes than the USA?
Do you mean for all citizens, or for a few?
You are correct in that if you show up to the emergency room whether or not you have insurance, you’ll be treated. Its the law. And yes, medicaid for those who have no money and cannot afford health insurance.
There are not 47 million americans with no health insurance coverage. Many are not Americans at all and many choose to not purchase health care because they feel it is cheeper to pay as they go. The actual number is really around 10 million Americans who can not get health coverage and many of those can’t because they are not working to their ability.
The question is why wasn’t Joe paying for his heath care in the first place?
It is not that we are worried about the insurance companies per se, we are worried about the loss of access to the plans that they offer. The government tends to over spec stuff and drive costs up. The private plans can be tailored to the customer and offered at a lower price. The Government wants to eliminate the private companies ability to tailor coverage.
A Monopoly can typically opperate more efficiently than multiple companies. That is why many utilities opperate as government endorsed monopolies. However your electric bill is typically more tied to your usage than your income. If they were to change this, and made people pay base on income alone, you would see people being more wastefull causing costs to soar and those in the higher brackets to want to opt out of the system. However, with the government run medical care you will no longer have the option to opt out even if the cost far exceeds the forseen benefit.
In the name of knowing exactly what you are talking about , please give us specific example of what you are talking about here. This seems to be your excuse overly much. Too bad there is no such thing as a time machine. You would feel right at home in ancient Sparta!
Older couple nearing retirement debating whether to retire or keep working they realize health care will be paid by someone else so they quit working and decide to partially live off others.
Thats explains about 2/3rds of what I was looking for in an answer. The other 1/3 is wastefull spending moneywise. What is the spending that is wastefull to you?
These examples are very far from reality. I am 65 and still working, I will have medicare when I retire, but I can’t afford that and my house payments so will not retire in the foreseeable future. Medicare has no cap on the co-payments – a serious illness would bankrupt us.
All the young people I know are desperately looking for enough work to make ends meet. Many employers don’t offer insurance no matter how many hours you work.
The government does not pay for long term care for anyone. If you lose everything, pay down your assets, you can get welfare. Your spouse can keep the house and car. Yippee.
Who’s paying for this education? I’d love to know for my kids. Maybe you mean her parents would pay for it? I know very few people who don’t try to better their situation if the opportunity exists.
You cannot qualify for welfare unless you have a dependent child, and even then you have to look for work weekly and turn in reports.
Yeah, right. And pays his bills with Monopoly money. While living in a state of barely concealed panic at what the future holds.
Beer, cable tv, fishing boat, vacations, ATVs, general partying expenditures.
partially agreed.as in 2/3rds agreed. Depends on what kids of vacation. @ weekend nights at a 10 dollar campsight doesnt connstitue extravance when done once a year.
Royal,
You are not in the state the other people are in who have paid off their house, got their kids moved off and are just calculating how much they need to live on for the rest of their lives and realized that by retiring early they could qualifiy for more programs.
All of them??? you need to get out more.
Nursing home care and I am not sure if it was the government that would have to pick up the bill or someone else but bottom line is they are taking advantage of the loop hole that allows you to get the nursing home care for free if you can’t pay. So they decided they didn’t have to worry about that expense.
Their parrent. And this person is having a hard time seeing more than 8 days ahead of themselves.
I was conducting an interview where someone came in and said they did not want the job but had to apply for three jobs a week to keep their bennefits. Not only should they be looking for wokr but the governmetn should appoint someone to find them a job and if they refuse the job they don’t get anything.
Aside from a sarcastic remak I am not sure where you are going here.
I know many people not represented by these who work hard and live by the rules and are doing fine. But these examples are of the problems.
Ok, reread it and still not seeing anything that makes me want to change my post. I see I may have responded and changed the topic in a new angle in some cases but other than that, I’m not sure of what you thinkI mis-read.
Well, I’m not sure how to make the point any plainer so why don’t we just leave it at that.
Oh, goodness gracious. If you want to be silly, you can have your bad healthcare, it’s just too bad the rest of the country has to be subjected to it as well.
Wow! rarely on this site have I seen such lies. My word you are bold.
No countryt in the has beeter medical outcomes than the USA. Those that sclaim otherswise are doing nothing less than altering datal, whcih is another way of saying they are lying. Period. For [pprrof of thlis, look at outcomes for breast cancer, colon cancer and heart disease and prostate cancer. Claims cuch as this are based on nothing but LIES. Those who believe LIARS such as this are either LIARS are or poorly infoemd. I am not sure which category this poster such false claims falls into.
There is a reason why well healed people come to the USA, and not France, Italy, San Marino, Andorra, Malta, Singaporeg. In fact, people from those countries come to the USA for treatment. To claim otherwise is simply false.
debating which health care system is better is like debating which car is better. Instead of trying to create a one size fits all aproach, it is better to allow choice. Some prefer the health care system in America while others may see it as lesser but also see that our society offers other advantages which far outweigh any perceived flaws with the health care system. Over 300 Million people have choosen to be here with the current system. All Americans who are not satisfied can go to other countries.
Well, that isn’t really true. Emigration is out of reach of a great many, especially those who are most likely to suffer from lack of health care. You either need a skill that is in short supply in the place you want to go, or a whole lot of cash, or family already there. And then you may need some luck too. And that assumes there are no other ties.