"Share in the Divinity of Christ"

  • Thread starter Thread starter nkelly
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
N

nkelly

Guest
Hello folks.

May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all!

Recently in mass, I was confounded by the phrase “By the mystery of this water and wine, may we come to share in the Divinity of Christ”.

Could some one kindly explain to me what it means to “Share in the Divinity of Christ” please?

To my mind, we are nothing compared to the grandeur of God. So
how do we share in the Divinity of Christ? Is it by means of receiving the Eucharist? Or does it refer to something that happens in heaven?

God bless,
Noel.
 
40.png
nkelly:
Hello folks.

May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all!

Recently in mass, I was confounded by the phrase “By the mystery of this water and wine, may we come to share in the Divinity of Christ”.

Could some one kindly explain to me what it means to “Share in the Divinity of Christ” please?

To my mind, we are nothing compared to the grandeur of God. So
how do we share in the Divinity of Christ? Is it by means of receiving the Eucharist? Or does it refer to something that happens in heaven?

God bless,
Noel.
When you receive the Eucharist you are receiving Christ, body, blood, soul and divinity.
 
40.png
nkelly:
Hello folks.

May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all!

Recently in mass, I was confounded by the phrase “By the mystery of this water and wine, may we come to share in the Divinity of Christ”.

Could some one kindly explain to me what it means to “Share in the Divinity of Christ” please?

To my mind, we are nothing compared to the grandeur of God. So
how do we share in the Divinity of Christ? Is it by means of receiving the Eucharist? Or does it refer to something that happens in heaven?

God bless,
Noel.
St. Athenasius (and others) go further when they tell us that “God became man that man might become God.” St. Peter tells us that we are to share in the divine life. In part that is through the Eucharist which is a foretaste of the heavenly banquet – but it refers more specifically to the divinization that is to take place during our lifetime. We are to conform ourselves more and more to Christ and, by living a life of grace, are sharing the Divine Life. Ultimately, of course, that divinization finds its place in our salvation and union with God in heaven.

Deacon Ed
 
I agree with the good Deacon here.

We westerners, with our focus on the Sacred Humanity of Christ oftentimes do not see the concept of Theosis very well. (It is more Eastern, our interpretation of it is more in line with the idea of the Beatific Vision). It’s sort of the inverse of the idea that Our Lord condescended Himself to share in our humanity. We, through adoration and reception of the Most Holy Eucharist participate in the Divine Life of the Triune Godhead in a most profound way.

That’s why an overemphasis of the communitarian meal aspect of the Mass diminishes that. It makes the horizontal almost more important than the vertical. That’s disordered.

To be fair though, only emphasizing the Redemptive Act on Calvary and not focusing on the Resurrection and worship of the Glorified God *can *diminish the Sacramental/Mysterious element of the Mass too. This should be central, but not exclusive of the other two components of the Liturgy.

A crude analogy would be this. The Novus Ordo is Holy Thursday. The Tridentine Mass is Good Friday, the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostum/St. Basil/St. James is Easter Sunday.
I’d like to see a Latin Mass that is a good and well-ordered combination of the three.
 
Thanks for the replies Deacon Ed, Billy.

“God became man that man might become God” is a concept that I’ve never encountered.

To my mind, we creatures will always remain mere creatures but
of course there will be everlasting and complete happiness in heaven. Are we destined for something greater?

I don’t understand how can we share in the Divinity of God. I’m wary of this concept because it sounds arrogant/new-ageish.
How do we share in the Divine life and be united with God?
Even Mary isn’t God. She has a very close relationship with God
and I’m sure there isn’t much he hasn’t revealed to her but she’s still not Divine.

God bless,
Noel. :confused:
 
40.png
nkelly:
Thanks for the replies Deacon Ed, Billy.

“God became man that man might become God” is a concept that I’ve never encountered.

To my mind, we creatures will always remain mere creatures but
of course there will be everlasting and complete happiness in heaven. Are we destined for something greater?
St. John tells us:
Beloved, we are God’s children now; what we shall be has not yet been revealed. We do know that when it is revealed we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. (1 Jn 3:2)
Yes, we are destined for something greater. We will be more than we are. In the East we speak of theosis which is, in the West, divinization – a sharing and participation in the Divine Life of God. Eastern theology teaches us that we will participate in the “divine energies” of God (we can never participate in the Divine Essence since that is God).
I don’t understand how can we share in the Divinity of God. I’m wary of this concept because it sounds arrogant/new-ageish.
How do we share in the Divine life and be united with God?
Even Mary isn’t God. She has a very close relationship with God
and I’m sure there isn’t much he hasn’t revealed to her but she’s still not Divine.
Nor will we be divine. We will be what God intended us to be – so intimately sharing in His life that we see Him as He is and, because of our joining with Him we will be joined with all those who are joined with Him – we will finally understand the Communion of Saints in all its fullness.

Can we understand this? Of course not – it’s part of the mystery of death. But it is the teaching of the Church.

Deacon Ed
 
Thanks DE, I have a lot to learn. For starters I could read the bible more e.g. 1 Jn 3:2!

God bless,
Noel.
 
Many of us older folk remember the term Sanctifying Grace and how it is increased in us when we pray and receive the sacraments. As a youngster I always thought of it as being like white milk being poured into our souls. I now think of it as a sharing in the intimate love life of the trinity and that for us that intimacy grows as we live in harmony with the plan that God has laid down for us. As the earlier posts suggest we do not become God or gods, but we do get to share in that divine love, which is God.

To use an analogy it is like being born a Smith and as an orphan being adopted by the O’Malleys. You never really get to be a genuine O’Malley but you get to share in the love and activities of the O’Malleys.

The designs of the Lord are wonderful to behold.
 
A good way of saying it is that, ‘what Christ is by nature, we become by grace’. The Christian life is a process of being made like Christ. This is done through the gift of supernatural grace, which is the Holy Spirit. In this way we become ‘divine’ as it is said above. We don’t actually become gods, but we have such a profound union with God that it is practically become divine.
 
40.png
rwoehmke:
Many of us older folk remember the term Sanctifying Grace and how it is increased in us when we pray and receive the sacraments.
Yes, I recall the old Baltimore Catechism definition of Sanctifying Grace as “a created sharing in the life of God.” The idea is that in receiving the sacraments, and most essentially in the Eucharist, we are so united with God as to have His very life in our souls. It is this which sanctifies us and makes us able to live in heaven.
 
I’ve been asked about why we pray to Saints and i always say well we dont pray to them we ask them to pray for us just as we ask fellow people to pray for us. But ive heard an argument saying well how will they hear you ? they accuse Catholics of treating them like God with his power to hear prayers. I always though think about Chapter 8 in Revalation where it says the Angels brings the Prayers of the Saints to God and i look at it that the Holy Spirit takes our Prayers to the Saints and its through Him that they hear us. But as i heard the term “Share in the Divinity of Christ” i was thinking well maybe Saints once in Heaven slowly come to “Share in the Divinity of Christ” even to the point of being able to hear Prayers or maybe even Protect us as ive read in some Prayers (but always of coarse through God who gives them these gifts) Would the idea of Saints sharing in the Divinity of Christ to this extent be againist Church Teaching? And is the term or idea “Share in the Divinity of Christ” in the Bible or in any writings of the Early Church Fathers?

Thanks
God Bless
 
I’ve been asked about why we pray to Saints and i always say well we dont pray to them we ask them to pray for us just as we ask fellow people to pray for us. But ive heard an argument saying well how will they hear you ? they accuse Catholics of treating them like God with his power to hear prayers. I always though think about Chapter 8 in Revalation where it says the Angels brings the Prayers of the Saints to God and i look at it that the Holy Spirit takes our Prayers to the Saints and its through Him that they hear us. But as i heard the term “Share in the Divinity of Christ” i was thinking well maybe Saints once in Heaven slowly come to “Share in the Divinity of Christ” even to the point of being able to hear Prayers or maybe even Protect us as ive read in some Prayers (but always of coarse through God who gives them these gifts) Would the idea of Saints sharing in the Divinity of Christ to this extent be againist Church Teaching? And is the term or idea “Share in the Divinity of Christ” in the Bible or in any writings of the Early Church Fathers?

Thanks
God Bless
Your theory sounds quite reasonable to me, though I don’t have the theological training to pass much of a judgment. I think of the Offertory of the Mass, which says “By the mystery of this water and wine may we come to share in the divinity of Christ, who humbled himself to share in our humanity,” and also 2 Peter 1:4: “Through these, he has bestowed on us the precious and very great promises, so that through them you may come to share in the divine nature, after escaping from the corruption that is in the world because of evil desire.” It may well be that this participation in the divine nature of Christ (as a gift freely given by God, of course) brings with it the ability you speak of.

I did, though, want to make the point that we do, in fact, pray to the saints. Don’t let anybody tell you differently. In modern times, mostly influenced by Protestant theology, we have developed a notion of “prayer” as being a form of divine worship which could only be directed acceptably toward God. In reality, the word “pray” is a synonym for “ask, beg, entreat.” We still see it used this way in English in phrases like “pray tell” (which means, “* ask [you] to tell [me]”), and in legal expressions like “prayer for relief” or “prayer for damages,” which are requests directed to the court. In older usage, Shakespeare’s Hamlet: “Speak the speech I pray you as I pronounced it to you”; and Leonato: “I pray thee, cease thy counsel, which falls into mine ears as profitless as water in a sieve.” So we do make prayer to the saints, not as an act of worship, but as an act of entreaty. We entreat them, in turn, to “pray for us” – i.e., to request, on our behalf, something from God.*
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top