Sharia Law. An attempt to derail our judicial system

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HolyCrusader007;12556725:
I like what this Jewish Muslim site has to say ,

*Creeping Shariah is one of the greatest threats to West. The USA, UK, Sweden and Germany are just a handful of the nations to fall victim to this stealth attack. Creeping Shariah is a term used by many on the right to describe what they believe is an attempt by Muslims to take over the legal system of their host country and replace it with an Islamic one.

Examples of “Creeping Shariah” are varied but include the building of mosques in Christian lands, a Muslim family event at Legoland, Halal food options in schools, an awareness of Islamic law within Western legal systems and large scale Muslim immigration.

Is there any truth to the theory? “Creeping shariah” should probably be renamed “Muslim immigration” as almost every known example is just a byproduct of Muslims trying to practice their faith in their host country. This isn’t a phenomena unique to Islam, when Jews came to the UK (or any other nation) they established religious courts to judge communal affairs (batei din), non-Jewish companies began indicating which of their products were kosher (so they could profit from the Jewish community), they built synagogues, etc. is this “creeping kosher” or just Jews being… Jewish? *
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judaism-islam.com/ten-absurd-muslim-and-jewish-conspiracy-theories/

Agreed.
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HolyCrusader007 posted a link that essentially calls into question your “Creeping Sharia” conspiracy theory, with which you, WilT agreed.
 
How is Sharia law different from Canon law?
Canon law is the body of laws and regulations made by ecclesiastical authority (Church leadership), for the government of a Christian organization or church and its members. It is the internal ecclesiastical law governing the Catholic Church (both Latin Church and Eastern Catholic Churches), the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox churches, and the Anglican Communion of churches.[1] The way that such church law is legislated, interpreted and at times adjudicated varies widely among these three bodies of churches.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_law

Sharia law is Muslim religious law just like Canon law is Catholic religious law.
 
WilT said:
I’ll look into It again. I do agree that Shariah does seem to be creeping into our USA legal system but I didn’t realize it’s considered a myth. Thanks for the clarification.
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A myth? Ask the British and the French and other European countries (where Muslims have been migrating for years) about Islam’s myth, take a look at Irelands political Islamic mythology. Look at the myth in Michigan local politics and new local community laws.

Congress passed legislation to make any Islamic Shariah law illegal by Constitutional law. But I do not think it addresses the Local state law mandates? I wonder why Congress acted in this way post 911? Very interesting the U.S Congress outlaws Shariah law by Federal law, because “Shariah law” is considered a myth? I would really like a reasonable explanation for this act by the U.S Congress post 911.

It’s a myth today in the U.S but time will reveal Islam to be a reality or a myth.

Islam knows it cannot just enter it’s host society and demand Shariah law. The majority host populace has to convert to Islam first.

I wonder when will Muslim countries allow Christians to migrate and practice their religious freedoms in their countries and carry a bible in public?
 
Thorolfr said:
How is Sharia law different from Canon law?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_law

Sharia law is Muslim religious law just like Canon law is Catholic religious law.
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For one, you have to stop what you are doing and bow down to Allah and pray five different times a day or suffer a penalty by the Islamic authorities.

Shariah law if passed by governments, is forced upon all Muslim citizens with penalties.

Shariah law changes the fabric of any society it hosts.

The difference is canon law in the Church belongs to the things of God.
Shariah law is enforced by the secular powers to exercise a religious Islamic ritual of prayer or suffer a penalty by the secular powers.
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
A myth? Ask the British and the French and other European countries (where Muslims have been migrating for years) about Islam’s myth, take a look at Irelands political Islamic mythology. Look at the myth in Michigan local politics and new local community laws.

Congress passed legislation to make any Islamic Shariah law illegal by Constitutional law. But I do not think it addresses the Local state law mandates? I wonder why Congress acted in this way post 911? Very interesting the U.S Congress outlaws Shariah law by Federal law, because “Shariah law” is considered a myth? I would really like a reasonable explanation for this act by the U.S Congress post 911.

It’s a myth today in the U.S but time will reveal Islam to be a reality or a myth.

Islam knows it cannot just enter it’s host society and demand Shariah law. The majority host populace has to convert to Islam first.

I wonder when will Muslim countries allow Christians to migrate and practice their religious freedoms in their countries and carry a bible in public?
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Congress passed legislation to make any Islamic Shariah law illegal by Constitutional law? Link please.
 
oldcatholicguy said:
Congress passed legislation to make any Islamic Shariah law illegal by Constitutional law? Link please.
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Really? you did not know this? It can’t be true? because Islam Shariah law is a myth?

Tisk, tisk , tisk smh…

If I provide the congressman’s name who introduced the bill and law, will this change the myth of Sharia law?
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
Really? you did not know this? It can’t be true? because Islam Shariah law is a myth?

Tisk, tisk , tisk smh…

If I provide the congressman’s name who introduced the bill and law, will this change the myth of Sharia law?
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The link can be found where?
 
oldcatholicguy said:
I hate to break it to you, but Mr. Gingrich never actually got any laws passed concerning Sharia.
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I don’t pretend to be your instructor here, but Newt a Republican introduced the bill under a Democratic president, Newt can never pass a law. Congress’s passes law.
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
I don’t pretend to be your instructor here, but Newt a Republican introduced the bill under a Democratic president, Newt can never pass a law. Congress’s passes law.
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And Congress never passed such a law.
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
Really? Oh, I forgot, Islams Shairah law is a myth also?
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Yes, because logic and reason dictate that if Congress has not passed any laws concerning Sharia, Sharia law is a myth. :rolleyes:

Perhaps you can now supply the link to where Congress passed laws concerning Sharia? Doing so would go a long way in validating your claim that it has.
 
Gabriel,

How do you expect anyone to take you seriously about this if you can’t even tell the difference between a bill, a law, and a talking point (let alone a congressman and an ex-congressman)?

You claimed that congress passed a law denying the recognition of Sharia Law in federal courts. When pressed for a citation of such a law you backpedaled and said Newt Gingrich introduced a bill in the House. Introducing an HR bill and it being passed into law are two very different things.

When others pointed out that Newt Gingrich never successfully convinced his fellow congressmen to pass this HR bill (which you still have not actually provided evidence ever existed in the first place) you moved your goal posts yet again by saying “Newt could never get such passed under a Democratic president”. I went searching for this purported piece of legislation and couldn’t find anything proposed during the tenure of Rep. Gingrich.

Indeed, all I can find on the net are talking points by FORMER Rep. Gingrich within the last decade (years after his service to the congress) demanding that the congress act to stop “Creeping Sharia”. You are aware that Newt Gingrich hasn’t been a congressman since 1999, aren’t you?
 
oldcatholicguy said:
Yes, because logic and reason dictate that if Congress has not passed any laws concerning Sharia, Sharia law is a myth. :rolleyes:

Perhaps you can now supply the link to where Congress passed laws concerning Sharia? Doing so would go a long way in validating your claim that it has.
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I don’t know if it is legal to give political links here, so I will present it this way;

Here is a quick look at some documented legislation, that reveals how much Islam’s sharia’s law is a great myth to our lawmakers;

Legislators in at least 32 of the 50 U.S. states introduced bills from 2010 to 2012 to limit consideration of foreign or religious laws in state court decisions, the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life reports.

During those two years, Arizona, Kansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, South Dakota and Tennessee enacted such bills.

In Oklahoma, the law explicitly banned judicial consideration of Islamic law, or Sharia. The ban was approved by the voters.

The ballot measure read: "This measure amends the State Constitution. It changes a section that deals with the courts of this state. It would amend Article 7, Section 1. It makes courts rely on federal and state law when deciding cases. It forbids courts from considering or using international law. It forbids courts from considering or using Sharia Law.

see; UPI Under the U.S Supreme Court
Read more: upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/05/19/Under-the-US-Supreme-Court-Islamic-law-in-US-courts/64481368948600/#ixzz3LRSpixTK
 
oldcatholicguy said:
The site linked in the comment you replied “Agreed.” to. Scroll down and click the “next” button.
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Oh yeah, I just saw it. I didn’t know there was a creeping myth thing. Thanks for clarifying it. I didn’t mean to agree to the link. :o
 
Brandon Cal;12557721]Gabriel,
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How do you expect anyone to take you seriously about this if you can’t even tell the difference between a bill, a law, and a talking point (let alone a congressman and an ex-congressman)?
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See post #35. These laws have been passed years ago against Shariah law and many of these sites are not active anymore or have not updated their app’s at least to my new computer which is having trouble reading these old sites.

follow all the states who have passed laws against Shariah law in their own states listed on this news bulletin of 2012

I recall the bill by Newt and others to outlaw shariah law, was passed, but then contested by Muslim leaders, which was placed in the hands of the Supreme Court. I did not have any follow up on what happened to this law passed by Congress to date. During this time, states left and right were passing laws to reject Shariah law from each ones states.

If the lawmakers are rejecting shariah law from years ago in their states, leaves one to wonder if shariah is a creeping myth? or not?
 
HolyCrusader007 said:
I like what this Jewish Muslim site has to say ,

*Creeping Shariah is one of the greatest threats to West. The USA, UK, Sweden and Germany are just a handful of the nations to fall victim to this stealth attack. Creeping Shariah is a term used by many on the right to describe what they believe is an attempt by Muslims to take over the legal system of their host country and replace it with an Islamic one.

Examples of “Creeping Shariah” are varied but include the building of mosques in Christian lands, a Muslim family event at Legoland, Halal food options in schools, an awareness of Islamic law within Western legal systems and large scale Muslim immigration.

Is there any truth to the theory? “Creeping shariah” should probably be renamed “Muslim immigration” as almost every known example is just a byproduct of Muslims trying to practice their faith in their host country. This isn’t a phenomena unique to Islam, when Jews came to the UK (or any other nation) they established religious courts to judge communal affairs (batei din), non-Jewish companies began indicating which of their products were kosher (so they could profit from the Jewish community), they built synagogues, etc. is this “creeping kosher” or just Jews being… Jewish? *

judaism-islam.com/ten-absurd-muslim-and-jewish-conspiracy-theories/
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Heaven forbid that people actually practice their faith in the country they live in!
People scream freedom of religion, until they don’t agree with said religion.
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
See post #35. These laws have been passed years ago against Shariah law and many of these sites are not active anymore or have not updated their app’s at least to my new computer which is having trouble reading these old sites.

follow all the states who have passed laws against Shariah law in their own states listed on this news bulletin of 2012

I recall the bill by Newt and others to outlaw shariah law, was passed, but then contested by Muslim leaders, which was placed in the hands of the Supreme Court. I did not have any follow up on what happened to this law passed by Congress to date. During this time, states left and right were passing laws to reject Shariah law from each ones states.

If the lawmakers are rejecting shariah law from years ago in their states, leaves one to wonder if shariah is a creeping myth? or not?
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Congress has never actually passed any laws concerning Sharia and the states that have passed such laws are seeing those laws rightly challenged and declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
I don’t know if it is legal to give political links here, so I will present it this way;

Here is a quick look at some documented legislation, that reveals how much Islam’s sharia’s law is a great myth to our lawmakers;

Legislators in at least 32 of the 50 U.S. states introduced bills from 2010 to 2012 to limit consideration of foreign or religious laws in state court decisions, the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life reports.

During those two years, Arizona, Kansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, South Dakota and Tennessee enacted such bills.

In Oklahoma, the law explicitly banned judicial consideration of Islamic law, or Sharia. The ban was approved by the voters.

The ballot measure read: "This measure amends the State Constitution. It changes a section that deals with the courts of this state. It would amend Article 7, Section 1. It makes courts rely on federal and state law when deciding cases. It forbids courts from considering or using international law. It forbids courts from considering or using Sharia Law.

see; UPI Under the U.S Supreme Court
Read more: upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/05/19/Under-the-US-Supreme-Court-Islamic-law-in-US-courts/64481368948600/#ixzz3LRSpixTK
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You do understand that the states don’t actually make federal law and that your above is irrelevant to your claim that Congress has passed laws concerning Sharia?
 
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