Sharia Law. An attempt to derail our judicial system

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Gabriel_of_12 said:
Thank you WilT, the video was very informative.

The main speaker Mr. Spencer, being raised in Islam gives an excellent view of Islam practiced by Muslims, and how Islam is a contradiction to Western free societies, which Islam seeks to conquer and or convert Western free societies to Islam.

**What makes Mr. Spencer’s talks on Islam most credible, is that he travels with body guards, due to death threats made on his life from Muslims in the U.S and abroad. **

After listening to your recommended video. I find myself in conflict with both positions from the left and from the right. Truth is a narrow road.🙂

Peace be with you
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Mr. Spencer wasn’t raised in Islam. He was raised in the US and his formative years were spent working for a left wing communist book store; and then spent most of his career working for conservative political think tanks.
 
Rhubarb said:
This is a good video on Islam in the same way that Jack Chick makes good pamphlets on Catholicism.
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Mr. Spencer speaks publicly as a service to educate others who are ignorant of Islam, while his life is threatened by Muslims with a Sharia law to kill (Spencer) any Muslim who leaves Islam.

I don’t think your Jack Chick speaks under a death threat on his life daily would make the same cut as Mr. Spencer.

Mr. Spencer is a living witness that Sharia law is real and existing silently within the U.S borders.

Yet, there remains a blind view that would think Mr. Spencer is living a myth, that Sharia law does not exist in the U.S, while Sharia law threatens Mr. Spencer’s life daily.
 
oldcatholicguy said:
Mr. Spencer wasn’t raised in Islam. He was raised in the US and his formative years were spent working for a left wing communist book store; and then spent most of his career working for conservative political think tanks.
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Have you watched his videos? Because that is not what Mr. Spencer reveals. It takes one (Muslim) to know one (Muslim). Are you a Muslim oldcatholicguy? who practices the deception of Islam from the Quran to deceive the enemies of Islam? Have you taken on a Christian sur name to deceive and disquise your Islamic faith? Do you think Spencer acts in this way? Just asking?
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
Have you watched his videos? Because that is not what Mr. Spencer reveals. It takes one (Muslim) to know one (Muslim). Are you a Muslim oldcatholicguy? who practices the deception of Islam from the Quran to deceive the enemies of Islam? Have you taken on a Christian sur name to deceive and disquise your Islamic faith? Do you think Spencer acts in this way? Just asking?
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Hi there Gabriel ~

I’ve been following Robert Spencer for over a decade and not once has he claimed that he was a muslim at any given time.

He has always been a Greek Melkite Catholic and raised as such.
 
jakasaki said:
Hi there Gabriel ~

I’ve been following Robert Spencer for over a decade and not once has he claimed that he was a muslim at any given time.

He has always been a Greek Melkite Catholic and raised as such.
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Given that we both are in agreement on something involving Mr. Spencer I think the laws of the universe require it to be true.
 
I was visiting many of his sites and came across some literature indicating different. Did he not write a book on Islam? I read the credits from his book, which indicated to me that he was a Muslim convert to Catholicism, or maybe he co-authored it? I will check into this more. Thanks, why would Spencer or the author of said book has his life threatened by Muslims? Do you know, because the book credits and intro I came across indicated as such.
 
jakasaki said:
Hi there Gabriel ~

I’ve been following Robert Spencer for over a decade and not once has he claimed that he was a muslim at any given time.

He has always been a Greek Melkite Catholic and raised as such.
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I keep finding many references that he is an ex Muslim like here; amazon.com/Inside-Islam-Catholics-Questions-Answers/dp/0965922855/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

In this paperback Robert Spencer and Daniel Ali (an ex-Muslim) present brief basics about Islam: the Five Pillars, the Six Articles of Faith, why Muhammad turned against the Jews and Christians, why Muslims believe Jesus is a muslim, why Muslims believe Jesus was NOT crucified but that a substitute instead took his place, contradictions of alcohol use, why Muslims believe the Jews fictionalized the Bible, why Allah is not the same God of Christians, how Muslims view predestiny versus “free will,” where Allah in the Quran permits slavery, the different types of jihad, the virgins(“houris”) who await suicide martyers, why Mohammad said Jews and Christians cannot live in Arabia, status of women and their veils, what Muslims can expect in Islam’s heaven or “Paradise,” where the anti-Semitic texts are in the Quran, contradictions of similar passages within the Quran – along with other snippets of differences between Islam and Christianity. The citations are informative endnotes. Fundamentalist Muslims won’t like this book because the authors quote specific “ayat” or versus in the Quran, and analyze them in their historical context. This paperback makes for a nice informative “theology background” introduction before reading Robert Spencer’s two other books on Islam: “Islam Unveiled” and “Onward Muslim Soldiers.” One does not need to be a Catholic to comprehend the topics discussed in this book.

Still looking for the book that quotes it’s author as raised a Muslim.
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
I was visiting many of his sites and came across some literature indicating different. Did he not write a book on Islam? I read the credits from his book, which indicated to me that he was a Muslim convert to Catholicism, or maybe he co-authored it? I will check into this more. Thanks, why would Spencer or the author of said book has his life threatened by Muslims? Do you know, because the book credits and intro I came across indicated as such.
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Yes, he did write a book on Islam, but not just one book, he’s written quite a few.

I believe he has 13 or 14 books out there already on that subject.

He’s been studying Islam for decades from muslim and non-muslim scholars.
Thanks, why would Spencer or the author of said book has his life threatened by Muslims?
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Because muslims will threaten anyone who speaks/writes/draws against their ideology.

Google search - Robert Spencer books and it will show you all the books he wrote regarding the ideology of Islam and it’s followers, plus in addition, he has a few of his own websites out there.

He is also available on youtube by just searching his name.

There is also a good video with the Church Militant and Mr. Spencer.

Here’s the video for your review: youtube.com/watch?v=osuKIhozi6M
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
I keep finding many references that he is an ex Muslim like here; amazon.com/Inside-Islam-Catholics-Questions-Answers/dp/0965922855/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8

In this paperback Robert Spencer and Daniel Ali (an ex-Muslim) present brief basics about Islam:

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Still looking for the book that quotes it’s author as raised a Muslim.
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Ah… I now see you confusion.

It’s Daniel Ali **only **who is an ex-muslim!

Here is video on his journey to Catholocism from Islam.

youtube.com/watch?v=Ty4hP8rthOY

Daniel Ali: Muslim Convert to Catholic Christianity
 
By the way Gabriel ~

Have you ever read the entire Sharia Islamic Law Book?
 
Hello I am Muslim.

We do believe Allah’s law is better than any man made law and this is why there is a push by Muslims for Sharia wherever we go.

But Sharia is very complex. There is many different interpretations of Shariah, there is no one straight Shariah. Shariah in Pakistan and Saudi are followed very differently.

Shia Muslims overall do not follow Shariah also and they make up 23% of Muslims.

So for Shariah to happen in America or Britain would be a disaster it would undermine the law you have there and Muslims cannot agree on what Shariah is exactly, each group has a different interpretation.

It would be a big mistake for non Muslim countries to introduce Shariah, in our countries some are moving away from Shariah and the countries with Shariah it has caused some problems implementing it. In Pakistan Shariah applies for Muslims but not non Muslims yet the Shariah isn’t even the correct Shariah so it is very confusing for people that some will be sentenced to death for lesser crimes than others who receive different sentences.

For example you can be sentenced to death for insulting the prophet(pbuh) but some people get less than 1 year in prison for rape. And this is a flawed system.
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
Have you watched his videos? Because that is not what Mr. Spencer reveals. It takes one (Muslim) to know one (Muslim). Are you a Muslim oldcatholicguy? who practices the deception of Islam from the Quran to deceive the enemies of Islam? Have you taken on a Christian sur name to deceive and disquise your Islamic faith? Do you think Spencer acts in this way? Just asking?
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So you went with accusing me of lying about my faith instead of admitting that you didn’t bother to do the very basic of research on Mr. Spencer to figure out that he has never been a Muslim. Good for you. :rolleyes:

I wonder what your failure to discover the rather easily confirmable fact that Mr. Spencer has never been a Muslim tells us about the validity of your other arguments and comments.
 
jakasaki said:
By the way Gabriel ~

Have you ever read the entire Sharia Islamic Law Book?
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I have read many different interpretations of Sharia and Islam itself. Yet All Muslims have the same goal of Islam. That same goal of Islam is interpreted differently, thus far I have found seven different interpretations of Islam.
 
oldcatholicguy said:
So you went with accusing me of lying about my faith instead of admitting that you didn’t bother to do the very basic of research on Mr. Spencer to figure out that he has never been a Muslim. Good for you. :rolleyes:

I wonder what your failure to discover the rather easily confirmable fact that Mr. Spencer has never been a Muslim tells us about the validity of your other arguments and comments.
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Yes, your post’s have proved you a liar.

Mr. Spencers and his co-author life is under threat from Muslims today. Why?
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
Thank you WilT, the video was very informative.

The main speaker Mr. Spencer, being raised in Islam gives an excellent view of Islam practiced by Muslims, and how Islam is a contradiction to Western free societies, which Islam seeks to conquer and or convert Western free societies to Islam.

**What makes Mr. Spencer’s talks on Islam most credible, is that he travels with body guards, due to death threats made on his life from Muslims in the U.S and abroad. **

After listening to your recommended video. I find myself in conflict with both positions from the left and from the right. Truth is a narrow road.🙂

Peace be with you
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Your welcomed Gabriel. I find Mr. Spencer highly knowledgeable on the subject and highly articulate.
 
Gabriel_of_12 said:
Mr. Spencer speaks publicly as a service to educate others who are ignorant of Islam, while his life is threatened by Muslims with a Sharia law to kill (Spencer) any Muslim who leaves Islam.

I don’t think your Jack Chick speaks under a death threat on his life daily would make the same cut as Mr. Spencer.

Mr. Spencer is a living witness that Sharia law is real and existing silently within the U.S borders.

Yet, there remains a blind view that would think Mr. Spencer is living a myth, that Sharia law does not exist in the U.S, while Sharia law threatens Mr. Spencer’s life daily.
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Gabriel_of_12 said:
Have you watched his videos? Because that is not what Mr. Spencer reveals. It takes one (Muslim) to know one (Muslim). Are you a Muslim oldcatholicguy? who practices the deception of Islam from the Quran to deceive the enemies of Islam? Have you taken on a Christian sur name to deceive and disquise your Islamic faith? Do you think Spencer acts in this way? Just asking?
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Interesting. Kinda thought that myself:hmmm:
 
Jakubb said:
Hello I am Muslim.

We do believe Allah’s law is better than any man made law and this is why there is a push by Muslims for Sharia wherever we go.

But Sharia is very complex. There is many different interpretations of Shariah, there is no one straight Shariah. Shariah in Pakistan and Saudi are followed very differently.

Shia Muslims overall do not follow Shariah also and they make up 23% of Muslims.

So for Shariah to happen in America or Britain would be a disaster it would undermine the law you have there and Muslims cannot agree on what Shariah is exactly, each group has a different interpretation.

It would be a big mistake for non Muslim countries to introduce Shariah, in our countries some are moving away from Shariah and the countries with Shariah it has caused some problems implementing it. In Pakistan Shariah applies for Muslims but not non Muslims yet the Shariah isn’t even the correct Shariah so it is very confusing for people that some will be sentenced to death for lesser crimes than others who receive different sentences.

For example you can be sentenced to death for insulting the prophet(pbuh) but some people get less than 1 year in prison for rape. And this is a flawed system.
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Sharia Law is not God’s law. It’s a man made law under disguise of God’s law
 
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