Sharing legally purchased goods/services with family

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What are your opinions on the sharing of copyrighted, legally bought CDs/DVDs/video games/computer software with close family?

For instance, I’ve just installed Microsoft Office '07 onto my laptop. It originally had that software on it, but it was recently wiped, and I’ve used my sister’s CD with the necessary software to reinstall the same stuff. Now, since I’m pret-ty scrupulous, my conscience is niggling at me. I’m quite annoyed because some of these copyright laws - if observed to the letter - seem to give no leeway for simply sharing within the family. All the same, should we “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s”?
 
What are your opinions on the sharing of copyrighted, legally bought CDs/DVDs/video games/computer software with close family?

For instance, I’ve just installed Microsoft Office '07 onto my laptop. It originally had that software on it, but it was recently wiped, and I’ve used my sister’s CD with the necessary software to reinstall the same stuff.
You are using the software under your own license, which came with your computer; not hers. Don’t worry about it. it is exactly as if you had reinstalled from your own back-up copy. 🙂
 
In this case you can make a good case for it. However, in general it is not permitted to pass on copyrighted material to anyone else, simply because the person who created the material has a right to be paid for her work. I have come across work of mine posted on other websites without even knowing those websites existed until Google revealed this theft to me. How am I supposed to make money if anybody can spread my work broadcast without paying me for it?

The idea that copyright laws are stupid is just the same as if you said the laws about ownership are stupid and you were entitled to help yourself to my laundry soap because you have run out. Copyright equals Ownership. Think about it carefully before you break that particular law.
 
Copyright equals Ownership.
Ownership of the idea. These laws exist so I can’t claim that a work you produced was my idea. But when I pay for a CD with my own money, I then own the CD and should be allowed to do whatever I please with it, including lending it to friends and family, just as I would lend them my car, as long as I don’t claim that I was the one who wrote the songs on it when it reality the artist did.
 
Ownership of the idea. These laws exist so I can’t claim that a work you produced was my idea. But when I pay for a CD with my own money, I then own the CD and should be allowed to do whatever I please with it, including lending it to friends and family, just as I would lend them my car, as long as I don’t claim that I was the one who wrote the songs on it when it reality the artist did.
Three things.

First, when you pay you are not actually buying the CD, rather you are licensing the software and agreeing to the license that they are offering. So, the car analogy–which you do buy (unless you lease and then there are restrictions on you again by agreement)–is not apt.

Second, only one of you can drive the car at the same time. I personally see nothing wrong with transferring a software license to another if you are no longer using it also. That is quite different than paying one fee and using it on two or two hundred computers at the same time.

Third, copyright does not exist just to give attribution to the author. It exists so that the author can control totally the work–idea embodied in tangible media–or sell some part of that right to others. It is not just a feel good recognition of the author; it is an economic device.
 
In general, I would say that you can share within the household rather than within the family. All you did in this case was restore what got wiped, so that’s not a problem at all.
 
Ownership of the idea. These laws exist so I can’t claim that a work you produced was my idea. But when I pay for a CD with my own money, I then own the CD and should be allowed to do whatever I please with it, including lending it to friends and family, just as I would lend them my car, as long as I don’t claim that I was the one who wrote the songs on it when it reality the artist did.
So you believe that if I write a book, you are entitled to buy a copy and then xerox it and hand it around to everybody you know, and I am entitled only to an Attaboy?

I am not talking about lending a book to your sister, here. I am talking about copying something and passing it around, which is what you are doing with that software. You did not buy it. You copied it.

I think the legal name for that is piracy, and around here you can get in a whole lot of trouble for it.
 
Thank you everyone for your comments and insights! 🙂

Although I firmly avoid sharing music with strangers (e.g. with Limewire), I’ve finally made up my mind and just deleted some music from my computer that I’d ripped from a CD that I gave as a present to my friends (twin sisters) last year. Although I adore the music (it’s the lovely soundtrack from Amelié), it’s been in my mind that it’s unfair to keep the music on my computer…even though I was the one who bought the CD. I still have lots of music files ripped from CDs which various members of my family purchased. In the past twelve months or so, I’ve been growing more and more conscientious about abiding by copyright laws. So much so that I wonder if it’s fair that we share our stuff. I would have just taken that for granted two years ago! Any comments??

(As a footnote, recently I’ve been reading up on the legality/illegality of fan work, such as fan-art/-fiction/-scripts. I have tended to think of such fan workd as free publicity and all well and good - unless it’s using, for instance, characters from a book in a pornographic parody which could potentially harm the image of the characters, book or even its author. Now I’ve read that even fan work is not technically kosher. I acknowledge that creators of this material should receive credit where credit is due, but I also wonder…where will it end??)
 
When you say “sharing stuff,” if you mean passing a CD around, that is no problem. It’s if you make a copy, by ripping it or whatever, that you’re breaking the law.

If I need to use a program you have on your computer, and you let me use your computer for the afternoon, no problem. If you give my the program on CD and I install it on my computer, that’s illegal. That’s why companies and school will buy a multi-user license–they get one or a couple CDs, and are allowed to install it on every computer in the office.

Borrowing a book is fine, but making myself a big fat photocopy, nope.

Does that make sense? There is a definite theme: if you buy one copy, you get one copy. You can loan it, but nobody gets to make another copy without buying it.

Restoring what was on your computer was fine, because you bought one copy and if you ruin it, you’re entitled to fix it, even if you have to use someone else’s copy to re-install. if I had a textbook that got ruined in a rainstorm, I would not hesitate for a moment to photocopy the missing pages from somebody else’s book.
 
I think with fan fiction it depends what you do with it. Sharing it with your friends for free has been done for generations. However, selling your fan fiction is likely to get you a sternly worded Cease and Desist letter from a lawyer. This even applies to putting things on your website, by the way. We got a Sternly Worded Letter regarding the name and likeness of certain Formula One driver. We now refer to him as TGF – That German Fellow.

Where it will end is where it ought to have begun. THOU SHALT NOT STEAL. Taking something that you did not pay for, with the full knowledge that it does not belong to you and that you have no intention of paying the owner for the product, is theft. Especially if you share it with the immediate world. Read the stuff that shows up before your DVD movie starts running. That gives you the plain English version.
 
When you say “sharing stuff,” if you mean passing a CD around, that is no problem. It’s if you make a copy, by ripping it or whatever, that you’re breaking the law.

If I need to use a program you have on your computer, and you let me use your computer for the afternoon, no problem. If you give my the program on CD and I install it on my computer, that’s illegal. That’s why companies and school will buy a multi-user license–they get one or a couple CDs, and are allowed to install it on every computer in the office.

Borrowing a book is fine, but making myself a big fat photocopy, nope.

Does that make sense? There is a definite theme: if you buy one copy, you get one copy. You can loan it, but nobody gets to make another copy without buying it.

Restoring what was on your computer was fine, because you bought one copy and if you ruin it, you’re entitled to fix it, even if you have to use someone else’s copy to re-install. if I had a textbook that got ruined in a rainstorm, I would not hesitate for a moment to photocopy the missing pages from somebody else’s book.
Yes, that’s more or less what my common sense has told me. 🙂
 
I think with fan fiction it depends what you do with it. Sharing it with your friends for free has been done for generations. However, selling your fan fiction is likely to get you a sternly worded Cease and Desist letter from a lawyer. This even applies to putting things on your website, by the way. We got a Sternly Worded Letter regarding the name and likeness of certain Formula One driver. We now refer to him as TGF – That German Fellow.

Where it will end is where it ought to have begun. THOU SHALT NOT STEAL. Taking something that you did not pay for, with the full knowledge that it does not belong to you and that you have no intention of paying the owner for the product, is theft. Especially if you share it with the immediate world. Read the stuff that shows up before your DVD movie starts running. That gives you the plain English version.
What you said reminds me of something else: I feel terrible about the old recordings of rented videos from my childhood. There’s still a lot of them around and every so often they are viewed. My family know that I don’t like the fact that we’ve got pirated films (especially Disney), but some of them get annoyed when I don’t want to watch an old film. I have tried to compensate somewhat by buying the DVDs of the films but I’ve only got two so far. (They are rather expensive, of course.) I don’t want anyone to be falling into sin, so what should I do? 😦
 
I would make a contribution to a childrens charity, in that case, or otherwise make restitution. When we repent it means making things right as best we can. But we are not expected to beat ourselves up over what we did, and if it cannot be repaired, confess, do penance, resolve not to do it again and let it go.

I remember a little old man in Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm counseling her that, if a body had hard thoughts about someone, she ought to take it to the Lord in prayer and then not go on having them.

You have to use common sense, though and not be too hard on yourself. Every one of us is a sinner, its what you do about it once you realize it that counts the most. 🙂
 
Thank you, Appleby. The voice of common sense is very reassuring, so…thanks for providing it when I went a bit nutty! :o

Donating to a kids’ charity is very apt (good suggestion!), so I’ll try and do that and offer it up for all the family. 🙂
 
When you say “sharing stuff,” if you mean passing a CD around, that is no problem. It’s if you make a copy, by ripping it or whatever, that you’re breaking the law.
What’s the difference? Either way, someone who hasn’t paid for a copy is receiving the fruits of having a copy.
Borrowing a book is fine, but making myself a big fat photocopy, nope.
That implies that the action of copying isn’t wrong, but rather, it’s the amount that you copy which defines it’s immorality. In that case, dealing drugs in small amounts should be legal, and only people like Pablo Escobar should go to prison.
if you buy one copy, you get one copy. You can loan it, but nobody gets to make another copy without buying it.
Except the guy who borrowed it when you loaned it just now. He gets the benefits of a copy without paying for it.
if I had a textbook that got ruined in a rainstorm, I would not hesitate for a moment to photocopy the missing pages from somebody else’s book.
The it’s okay if I don’t hesitate to download digital copies of old albums I bought on cassette 20 years ago, right?

I realize that Jesus said to render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and I follow that rule, but I also live in a country which has a history and tradition that teaches me that when a law doesn’t make any sense, we have to speak up in hope that we can change it, not just blindly assume that because the law was passed at some point it must be just or moral.
 
Carlion,

Loaning is totally okay, because when you loan somebody your CD/book, you yourself are giving up the use of it. You bought one use and you still have only one use. Giving a friend a photocopy is a problem, because then there are two uses floating around.

Think about it–we loan people books and music all the time. Libraries do it. The same libraries warn on their photocopiers that you can’t be copying copyrighted stuff, but the borrowing is fine.

I would photocopy pages to replace ruined pages, because I would only be restoring my one use, not creating a second one.

Digital media is harder, because we can rip our own CDs to MP3s legitimately. So we have two uses or more, but we have to keep them to ourselves. A friend loaned me a wonderful CD, and I told her to please order me one. When I learned that she had a copy on her hard drive, and I had her actual CD, I packed up the CD, even though mine is on order.

I wouldn’t take a free download of what I had on tape from 20 years ago from a site that violates copyrights. If I still had the tape with no means of playing it, I might consider ripping somebody else’s CD. But first I would do some research about how copyright law affects media versions, because I really don’t know. I wouldn’t feel right about it at this point, but that doesn’t tell me what the law says!
 
Oh, and when I mentioned “big, fat photocopies,” I wasn’t referring to the size of the copy being the problem. My intention was to contrast copying a whole book with copying just the parts ruined in the rain.

BTW, more than once when I was in college, the bookstore would order too few books, and the last people to try to buy them would be out of luck. It was acceptable to the publisher, after replacements had been ordered and prepaid for the professor to photocopy necessary parts for the kids without books. Once the books arrived, the copies were to be destroyed.
 
Carlion,

Loaning is totally okay, because when you loan somebody your CD/book, you yourself are giving up the use of it. You bought one use and you still have only one use. Giving a friend a photocopy is a problem, because then there are two uses floating around.
Either way, two “uses” have occurred, and the artist has been (according to some posters here) “robbed” of the profit. That you personally sacrificed time with your copy doesn’t make up for the money lost to the artist if someone uses your original copy for free.
Think about it–we loan people books and music all the time. Libraries do it. The same libraries warn on their photocopiers that you can’t be copying copyrighted stuff, but the borrowing is fine.
Right, and that’s what I’m pointing to when I say that these laws against file-sharing make no sense. The library is a good example of this. Thousands of people are allowed to show up individually and read a book for free and no one cares, but if they try to all read it at once, by way of copying it, they are all suddenly targets of the publishers wrath. It’s a ridiculous concept that has now spilled over into the world of music.

People keep claiming file-sharing is immoral behavior, but they can’t p(name removed by moderator)oint what exactly makes it wrong.

Again, quantity can’t be the issue. Stealing, for example is immoral, period; it doesn’t matter of you steal 1 dollar or a million. Theft is theft. Right? So then a person who lends one CD to a friend for a weekend is just as guilty as someone who spreads thousands of copies via the internet, because whether you’ve robbed the artist of one album sale or a thousand, either way you’ve committed theft. But no one’s going to arrest the weekend lender/borrower, because there is nothing intrinsically disordered with borrowing.

The problem comes in when the person distributing copies starts charging for them, like DVD bootleggers you see out in the streets sometime. Money is being made, but it’s going to the wrong people, i.e. unlicensed vendors. That’s why it would be wrong for a library to sell illicit copies of books, but not wrong for them to lend the books for free.

But that isn’t what’s happening with music sharing. People are sharing, for free, not pirating, which involves theft and resale. To label as pirates the people who freely share music is misleading at best, libelous at worst.

The other issue that the laws are supposed to be targeting is the idea of intellectual property, and who creative ideas originate with. If I claim that I wrote the latest hit song, when in fact I didn’t, I’m making a false claim of authorship, probably to profit by it, and I can be prosecuted for that. But again, that isn’t what’s going on here. No one who shares these songs is claiming they wrote them and then asking for money.

In the end, the laws are in place to prevent people from unlawfully profiting from work that they have no claim to. They are not in place to serve as a force for collecting money that otherwise would not be spent. That kind of thing is usually referred to as a protection racket.

And as to the people who keep recommending confession for this, because it’s against the law as the law currently stands, I have to ask them, do you confess all the times you went 60 in 55 mph zone? Because that’s against the law, too, and in fact, I would say that’s a worse offense, because increased speed has been shown to increase injury and casualties in car accidents, whereas file-sharing has never endangered someone’s life (so far as I know).

I apologize ahead of time if anything sounded snarky; that’s not the intention. Just healthy debate 🙂
 
That’s a good point, that copyright is supposed to be protecting intellectual property, not acting as a collection agent. I’m all for giving artists a fair share for their stuff, which is why I have a problem with pirated “free” downloads. To me it isn’t “sharing” if everybody has their own copy. Sharing is passing one copy around. Maybe it’s a false distinction.

It’s funny and frustrating that where sheet music is concerned, some of the popular older stuff that has had its copyright renewed, like Itsy Bitsy Spider—nobody can use that. But Eency Weency Spider? That’s fine. Because the tune copyright is expired, but the lyrics are still protected.

In college, we wanted to decorate the dorm hallway called Disney House (in MO, where Disney grew up) with small Disney movie characters by each room number. Somebody looked into it, and it would have cost thousands and thousands of dollars. Whatever. Nobody would have made money off the decorations, and it would have been a nice PR thing to just give permission, but NO.
 
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