Sharing the Chalice

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I’ve often wondered if perhaps the early Church might have dropped lay participation in the communion cup for health reasons. Let’s face it. It’s not exactly sanitary for 100+ people to be drinking from the same chalice. Thus, I choose not to receive under that species even where it is offered.
 
spilling, dribbling, spitting, dripping, glass chalices breaking, children or infirm elders dropping the chalice, children saying “eeeew” when they receive because they have not had a chance to taste wine before 1st communion–oh yeah, I’ve seen it all, not common thankfully, but too common for proper reverence. IMO communion under both species should be distributed by intinction only, using vessels made for the purpose, by priests and deacons.
I’ve never seen a spill and I’m 9 years at this parish with the Precious Blood being offered at each Mass. I’ve also served as EMHC in 3 other parishes and never saw a spill there either so I don’t know how ‘frequent’ spill are.
 
I’ve often wondered if perhaps the early Church might have dropped lay participation in the communion cup for health reasons. Let’s face it. It’s not exactly sanitary for 100+ people to be drinking from the same chalice. Thus, I choose not to receive under that species even where it is offered.
During some extreme illness outbursts (like plague? killing dose of inflenza?) that may be so but …

Would taking the Real Presence in such a small quantity do harm in most folks?
 
it isn’t just spilling. when you drink somthing there is very probible that drops will cling to the outside of your lips. these can then be wiped off and desicrated easily.
Wiped off and maintained in such a state as it is still the Sacrament?

I have NO idea how that would happen.
 
Wiped off and maintained in such a state as it is still the Sacrament?

I have NO idea how that would happen.
yes, Christ is present in even the tiniest particle and smallest drop of the Eucharist.

how can you not see this happening? go to your kitchen and get a glass of water, take a drink, touch your lips, and tell me if any of the water had made it onto your hand.

you cant tell me that this scenario is unlikely, not with thousands of average Catholics recieving every day
 
The consecrated bread and wine are both fully Jesus Christ - His body, divinity and soul. In this sense they are essentially the same, and it’s only the accidends (their appearance) that make them different. For this reason it is not needed that we recieve communion under both kinds. The Roman Church traditionally practices communion under one kind, though during certain time periods the Popes ordered communion under both kinds such as to combat a heresy. But after the heresy was weakened the tradition was brought back.

Now, for some odd reason (a reason I don’t understand) in England (and perhaps other places) communion under both kinds is pretty standard in the Novus Ordo masses. I don’t like it. You will however not see it in traditional parishes and during TLM.
Here in the Los Angeles area, it is standard to offer both the bread and the wine. A few people drink the wine only, such as those with allergies to wheat. Some eat the bread only, skipping the wine for various reasons. (In my case, as a Recovered Alcoholic). And quite a few take both. I personally see nothing wrong with the choices being offered.
 
yes, Christ is present in even the tiniest particle and smallest drop of the Eucharist.

how can you not see this happening? go to your kitchen and get a glass of water, take a drink, touch your lips, and tell me if any of the water had made it onto your hand.

you cant tell me that this scenario is unlikely, not with thousands of average Catholics recieving every day
Once the accidents of the sacrament no longer remains the Real Presence no longer remains.

Dried wine specs or wine drops wiped onto something stop being wine - no desecration possible.
 
During some extreme illness outbursts (like plague? killing dose of inflenza?) that may be so but …

Would taking the Real Presence in such a small quantity do harm in most folks?
Well, obviously, it’s not the Real Presence that’s potentially harmful. Rather, it’s the germs left by the other communicants on the cup. Many viruses are easily spread even in very small quantities.
 
Once the accidents of the sacrament no longer remains the Real Presence no longer remains.

Dried wine specs or wine drops wiped onto something stop being wine - no desecration possible.
following that logic, there would be no need to purify after spills, you could just leave the spilled particles on the ground untill it ceases to be the eucarist.

thats not right. the Church has always taught us to be careful with the sacraments. we should always err on the side of revrence.
 
following that logic, there would be no need to purify after spills, you could just leave the spilled particles on the ground untill it ceases to be the eucarist.

thats not right. the Church has always taught us to be careful with the sacraments. we should always err on the side of revrence.
But this is based on what the church teaches.

And what are you thinking of when you say purify?
 
Wow, I go away for a couple hours…

Thanks for all the info everyone!
 
And what are you thinking of when you say purify?
From the General Instruction of the Roman Missal:
The Purification
  1. Whenever a fragment of the host adheres to his fingers, especially after the fraction or the Communion of the faithful, the priest is to wipe his fingers over the paten or, if necessary, wash them. Likewise, he should also gather any fragments that may have fallen outside the paten.
  2. The sacred vessels are purified by the priest, the deacon, or an instituted acolyte after Communion or after Mass, insofar as possible at the credence table. The purification of the chalice is done with water alone or with wine and water, which is then drunk by whoever does the purification. The paten is usually wiped clean with the purificator.
Care must be taken that whatever may remain of the Blood of Christ after the distribution of Communion is consumed immediately and completely at the altar.
  1. If a host or any particle should fall, it is to be picked up reverently. If any of the Precious Blood is spilled, the area where the spill occurred should be washed with water, and this water should then be poured into the sacrarium in the sacristy.
This article is also of interest.
 
I believe I said “spilling and other irreverence” and yes I see irreverence with regard to the Precious Blood frequently, although as I also said, actual spilling is thankfully not common
Although desecration of the most Precious Blood might not happen at every mass, i think that once in a while is still too frequent. I think that is what you are trying to say, and i very much agree.
 
Although desecration of the most Precious Blood might not happen at every mass, i think that once in a while is still too frequent. I think that is what you are trying to say, and i very much agree.
There is no way to avoid absolutely every possible chance of a spill. Even priests can do it.
 
Could any of you knowledgable folks tell me why the congregation did not drink from the chalice.
Regardless of the historical reasons, in the near future the reason will be more mundane: H5N1 influenza.
 
No, He instructed that we all have to eat his flesh and drink his blood long before the Last Supper (John 6). This is of course done without consuming His Precious Blood.

Basically you have two options:
  • either the instructions Jesus made during the Last Supper were given to the whole Church (including the lay members) and the Roman Chuch is dissobedient by not following these instructions.
  • or the instructions were not for the whole Church and thus communion under one kind is perfectly allright.
The Church teaches that Christ’s Body and Blood are both present and thus it is NOT necessary to receive from the cup.

See the Catholic Encyclopedia: The Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist
This general and fundamental principle, which entirely abstracts from the duality of the species, must, nevertheless, be extended to each of the species of bread and wine. For we do not receive in the Sacred Host one part of Christ and in the Chalice the other, as though our reception of the totality depended upon our partaking of both forms; on the contrary, under the appearance of bread alone, as well as under the appearance of wine alone, we receive Christ whole and entire (cf. Council of Trent, Sess. XIII, can. iii). This, the only reasonable conception, finds its Scriptural verification in the fact, that St. Paul (1 Corinthians 11:27, 29) attaches the same guilt “of the body and the blood of the Lord” to the unworthy “eating or drinking”, understood in a disjunctive sense, as he does to “eating and drinking”, understood in a copulative sense. The traditionalfoundation for this is to be found in the testimony of the Fathers and of the Church’s liturgy, according to which the glorified Savior can be present on our altars only in His totality and integrity, and not divided into parts or distorted to the form of a monstrosity. It follows, therefore, that supreme adoration is separately due to the Sacred Host and to the consecrated contents of the Chalice. On this last truth are based especially the permissibility and intrinsic propriety of Communion only under one kind for the laity and for priests not celebrating Mass (see COMMUNION UNDER BOTH KINDS). But in particularizing upon the dogma, we are naturally led to the further truth, that, at least after the actual division of either Species into parts, Christ is present in each part in His full and entire essence. If the Sacred Host be broken into pieces or if the consecrated Chalice be drunk in small quantities, Christ in His entirety is present in each particle and in each drop. By the restrictive clause, separatione factâ the Council of Trent (Sess. XIII, can. iii) rightly raised this truth to the dignity of a dogma. While from Scripture we may only judge it improbable that Christ consecrated separately each particle of the bread He had broken, we know with certainty, on the other hand, that He blessed the entire contents of the Chalice and then gave it to His disciples to be partaken of distributively (cf. Matthew 26:27 sq.; Mark 14:23). It is only on the basis of the Tridentine dogma that we can understand how Cyril of Jerusalem (Catech. myst. v, n. 21) obliged communicants to observe the most scrupulous care in conveying the Sacred Host to their mouths, so that not even “a crumb, more precious than gold or jewels”, might fall from their hands to the ground; how Cæsarius of Arles taught that there is “just as much in the small fragment as in the whole”; how the different liturgies assert the abiding integrity of the “indivisible Lamb”, in spite of the “division of the Host”; and, finally, how in actual practice the faithful partook of the broken particles of the Sacred Host and drank in common from the same cup.
While the three foregoing theses contain dogmas of faith, there is a fourth proposition which is merely a theological conclusion, namely, that even before the actual division of the Species, Christ is present wholly and entirely in each particle of the still unbroken Host and in each drop of the collective contents of the Chalice. For were not Christ present in His entire Personality in every single particle of the Eucharistic Species even before their division took place, we should be forced to conclude that it is the process of dividing which brings about the Totality of Presence, whereas according to the teaching of the Church the operative cause of the Real and Total Presence is to be found in Transubstantiation alone. No doubt this last conclusion directs the attention of philosophical and scientific inquiry to a mode of existence peculiar to the Eucharistic Body, which is contrary to the ordinary laws of experience. It is, indeed, one of those sublime mysteries, concerning which speculative theology attempts to offer various solutions [see below under (5)].
 
The Latin Church should abolish eucharistic ministers and receiving Holy Communion from the chalice unless one has Celiac’s disease.

We don’t need three or four of the laity walking up onto the altar to hand out Communion. Father can do that by himself.
 
The Latin Church should abolish eucharistic ministers and receiving Holy Communion from the chalice unless one has Celiac’s disease.

We don’t need three or four of the laity walking up onto the altar to hand out Communion. Father can do that by himself.
Abolishing EMHC would immediately deny Communion to thousands for whom this is the only way to receive for months on end because they live in remote communities without priests. How would you go about taking care of their spiritual need to be fed the Body & Blood of Christ?
 
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