She was booted out during Advent!

[swariffin]

Citations please!

Simple, take a look of Martin Luther. The RCC did gave him a consultation and a chance to repent (I do not disregard the wrong things that the RCC did at that time, but not wrong dogmatic teaching).

Take a look of Julia Kim in Korea. She claimed to witness the appearence of Mary and got the wounds ala Padre Pio. After a while, many visitations are conducted using her bother’s travel agent. The local Bishop (I don’t remember the name, but I can get it later on), gave a warning after sensing an economic reason behind those apparations. She refused to back-off, and the Bishop gave the excommunication.

Another thing also in Surabaya, Indonesia. A guy named Thomas claimed that his statue of Mary cried blood. He claimed many things which at the end benefit him financially such as selling a curing honey from his home, selling a special rosary in which he claimed the world will experienced total darkness at the end of year 2000 except the one who say the rosary sold by him. He died on an sudden death (with no proof of poisoning whatsoever) and still be responsible for large sum of money intended to build a church, but gone nowhere. The Local Bishop also gave the excommunication after giving a hearing but disregarded.

 

[notsmart]

Edit-

I have no idea what to do with this information now!

I dont care about all that fuss. I just dont know how to console her. And show them Jesus has NOT REJECTED THEM.

Simple, take a look of Martin Luther. The RCC did gave him a consultation and a chance to repent (I do not disregard the wrong things that the RCC did at that time, but not wrong dogmatic teaching).

Take a look of Julia Kim in Korea. She claimed to witness the appearence of Mary and got the wounds ala Padre Pio. After a while, many visitations are conducted using her bother’s travel agent. The local Bishop (I don’t remember the name, but I can get it later on), gave a warning after sensing an economic reason behind those apparations. She refused to back-off, and the Bishop gave the excommunication.

Another thing also in Surabaya, Indonesia. A guy named Thomas claimed that his statue of Mary cried blood. He claimed many things which at the end benefit him financially such as selling a curing honey from his home, selling a special rosary in which he claimed the world will experienced total darkness at the end of year 2000 except the one who say the rosary sold by him. He died on an sudden death (with no proof of poisoning whatsoever) and still be responsible for large sum of money intended to build a church, but gone nowhere. The Local Bishop also gave the excommunication after giving a hearing but disregarded.

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

The only things in the RCC, you could be excommunicated if you are outside the RCC teaching, not by your own behavior. But still, a consultation or a chance of hearing is still given prior to the actual excommunication.

Well, … no, not exactly.

It is by their own behaviour that people incur latae sententiae excommunication. Some acts, such as performing an abortion, automatically excommunicate a Catholic. Others are set out in the Canons, too, such as desecrating the Holy Eucharist.

The consultation/chance of hearing will happen depending on the offense, if the offense carries the penalty of ferendae sententiae, for such a penalty only takes effect when imposed by an ecclesiastical authority, not when the act is committed. This is due to the requirement of the Canons that such a hearing or consultation should take place.

There’s a sort of intermediate case. Sometimes, should someone commit an act that causes latae sententiae excommunication, it will be formally proclaimed publicly. This proclamation is made for the benefit of the faithful, where it is deemed necessary to declare what has happened. But the excommunication has already happened, with the commission of the act.

There is nothing in the Canons prescribing penalties for not removing snow .

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[swariffin]

Well, … no, not exactly.

It is by their own behaviour that people incur latae sententiae excommunication. Some acts, such as performing an abortion, automatically excommunicate a Catholic. Others are set out in the Canons, too, such as desecrating the Holy Eucharist.

Dear brother,

You are correct. I missed that. But still, a warning as been given. In this case, John Paul II gave such warning. Any act of abortion has been warned before. So, still a warning has been given.

 

[notsmart]

Dear brother,

You are correct. I missed that. But still, a warning as been given. In this case, John Paul II gave such warning. Any act of abortion has been warned before. So, still a warning has been given.

What does the intrinsic act of evil have to do with this?
Snow removal is not comparable to murdering a child in the womb!

They did not do anything wrong here, let alone murder anyone!

 

[swariffin]

What does the intrinsic act of evil have to do with this?
Snow removal is not comparable to murdering a child in the womb!

They did not do anything wrong here, let alone murder anyone!

Killing an unborn baby is murder, me dear friend. Forget about Snow Removal, that is silly comparing that to abortion.

 

[notsmart]

Killing an unborn baby is murder, me dear friend. Forget about Snow Removal, that is silly comparing that to abortion.

Umm, I am here because of my stand on abortion.
I am confused about how this helps my friend at all, or are you suggesting she should be ignored for being kicked out of the only church she has known for 17 years? Or that she is not a pro life christian?
Lets put it to you this way:
My parish- music directior had 2 signs for Obama in her front lawn.
Yes, she is Paid by the parish.

My friend- not a catholic but is doing her part, and donates to the women’s centers to help those in need of basics. She admits she can not stand to be there. But she gives to the clinic (its catholic run by the way)

 

[notsmart]

Killing an unborn baby is murder, me dear friend. Forget about Snow Removal, that is silly comparing that to abortion.

I am debating if I should report your post to the mods now.
You certianly inflamed me.

 

[Ag_not]

Killing an unborn baby is murder, me dear friend. Forget about Snow Removal, that is silly comparing that to abortion.

This is a rediculous thread hijack!!!

notsmart is looking for advice and prayers for her friends. That’s all. She also asked if it was normal for people in non-dom churches to be kicked out of the church for being unable to do a voluntary piece of work. You turning that into an abortion issue is just smack!

notsmart - just be their friend. You have my prayers for you and them. Invite them to your church for Christmas. You can do no more.

 

[paarsurrey]

My friend (who I should spend more time with, but have not as much lately) just called me up crying her eyes out because her church kicked her out!
She is evangelical and in a non denominational church. This is how she describes herself anyway.
She told me it is because her husband refused to do the snow plowing this year, because he can’t afford to plow their lot and salt it because 2 employees quit on him last month. He owns a landscaping business and does this in the winter. They got angry when he told them this. The next time they went to their church to set up the new decorations in the lobby and to change the sign out in front, one of the members of the parish told them they needed to leave the property, and make an appointment to meet the pastor before coming back!

This is an outrage. Is this normal procedure in non catholic churches? They are hopping mad. I am stunned.

Hi

It is not a behaviour which Jesus would have meeted out to anybody, it cannot be a Christian or Catholic or a Humanist behaviour. She should have been treated with love and humanly.

God Allah bless her!

I love Buddha and Krishna as I do love Jesus and Mary

Thanks

 

[notsmart]

This is a rediculous thread hijack!!!

notsmart is looking for advice and prayers for her friends. That’s all. She also asked if it was normal for people in non-dom churches to be kicked out of the church for being unable to do a voluntary piece of work. You turning that into an abortion issue is just smack!

notsmart - just be their friend. You have my prayers for you and them. Invite them to your church for Christmas. You can do no more.

I do know, that when I can become a catholic I will never forget to pray for your kindness towards my friend and for me to help her.
I can do that now, but I will never forget.

I will offer her to come to my home on either or both christmas eve or day or even for a few days, to do both!
I never have seen a christmas Mass myself. I did admit to her I was kinda scared about the prospect.
My child is soooo excited about it! She loved Mass today, (only the second time being there so far in school in K grade)
I know Mary heard my prayers today, to find a way to help someone else.
But I needed help myself.
Thank you for helping me to help her better.
I am going to pray, and am going to go through my recipies and clean the house now.
God bless you friend!
Love,
Monica

 

[swariffin]

I am debating if I should report your post to the mods now.
You certianly inflamed me.

I appologize if I touch your personal issue. My point is actually that it is strange for me that someone is expelled from his/her congregation or whatever church service just by refusing to remove the snow. That was it, and nothing more.

I have no idea whatsoever to relate that to being pro-life or not. I would certainly accept your friend, had it put me into your same situation, and definitely I will pray for her too.

The reason that I wrote my posting because you asked me “the intrinsic evil acts has to do with this. Snow removal is not comparable to murdering a child in a womb” (which i thought that you are comparing to murder and snow removal). Of course murdering can’t be compared to snow removing. Any body with a normal logic will agree with us.

Perhaps I misunderstood you, and I apologize. To me, being a pro-life or pro-abortion is between God and somebody, in which I have no power to interfere. I hope I have clarified my position to you. Also, forgive me fall calling you as “brother” while you are a “sister”.

BTW, although somebody is ex-communicated by the local Bishop, should he/she joins the mass, I don’t believe that the presiding priest will ask him/her out of the mass. At least this is what I see in Indonesia.

 

[swariffin]

This is a rediculous thread hijack!!!

notsmart is looking for advice and prayers for her friends. That’s all. She also asked if it was normal for people in non-dom churches to be kicked out of the church for being unable to do a voluntary piece of work. You turning that into an abortion issue is just smack!

notsmart - just be their friend. You have my prayers for you and them. Invite them to your church for Christmas. You can do no more.

I misunderstood her, apparently

 

[cathopologist]

Invite her and her family to Midnight Mass.Don’t proselytise just plant the seed.

A very good advice. On a side note for the OP, you cannot generalize all Protestant churches and its ministers as being un-Christian. As some have mentioned, it may have been due to lack of communication and misunderstanding.

 

[Contarini]

My friend (who I should spend more time with, but have not as much lately) just called me up crying her eyes out because her church kicked her out!
She is evangelical and in a non denominational church. This is how she describes herself anyway.
She told me it is because her husband refused to do the snow plowing this year, because he can’t afford to plow their lot and salt it because 2 employees quit on him last month. He owns a landscaping business and does this in the winter. They got angry when he told them this. The next time they went to their church to set up the new decorations in the lobby and to change the sign out in front, one of the members of the parish told them they needed to leave the property, and make an appointment to meet the pastor before coming back!

This is an outrage. Is this normal procedure in non catholic churches?

Well no, but nondenominational churches are not accountable to anyone, so you do get some very erratic and tyrannical behavior. The more traditional denominations, for all their faults, have procedures for reining in this kind of bizarre behavior by local church leaders.

Edwin

 

[notsmart]

We went to lunch today, and she was really trying to pull it together and overcome her dissapointment. I think this will be hard for her family but she is pretty strong and was already talking about how she will simply write a letter to the pastor to ask him to remove their names as members. She doesn’t want a meeting with him apparently. That must be a hard choice to make.
She isn’t going to church shop until after the holidays. In the meantime, I invited her to join us here and she is thinking about it, but is tossing around going to her grandmother’s church and their home for the holidays to get away for a few days.
I did tell her she should at least offer to the pastor a reason for requesting removal, and that she should allow him to apologize if he desires to. Someone called her husband this morning to tell him that he needs to fix the sign outside, and he just explained that he is certain someone else will be handling that matter. He did not want to talk to her about it.

 

[twopekinguys]

Jesus said it best when he said, “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do…”

It has been mentioned that this isn’t the usual practice for discipline or excommunication in many churches, Catholic or not.

From your original post, I understand that the couple has not been informed by the pastor for their removal, but merely others present in the church at the time. There is a possibilty, although small, that the pastor is not aware of what actually happened.

It could be some over zealous congregation members thinking they’re running the congregation instead of the pastor.

Just a thought.

I think you’re a wonderful friend for trying to help them through this very difficult time

 

[Ruthie]

I’m sorry about your friend, Monica, and I’ll pray for her.

Don’t miss Midnight Mass at Christmas. Just be sure to get there **way **early to get a seat. The pews fill up fast, since it’s the one time besides Easter that everyone who calls themselves Catholic tries to get to Mass.

Love,

Ruthie

 

[notsmart]

I’m sorry about your friend, Monica, and I’ll pray for her.

Don’t miss Midnight Mass at Christmas. Just be sure to get there **way **early to get a seat. The pews fill up fast, since it’s the one time besides Easter that everyone who calls themselves Catholic tries to get to Mass.

Love,

Ruthie

I was told it would be packed. But, I am thinking a lot of the non regular attendees might be out of town family having christmas with the host who is a member of that parish. Its the most positive way I can see it.
But, I am glad people come even if only twice a year. Its more than I ever did for most of my life.

But now that I am going, I like going all the time.

 

[Ruthie]

But now that I am going, I like going all the time.

Amazing, isn’t it? Wait 'til you start receiving the Eucharist!

Your guess as to why the church is so full is much more charitable than mine.

Now that I think about it, most of the faces I see on Christmas Eve are familiar; it’s not surprising that the church is crammed full, if you consider that most of the parishioners that fill up our 5 Masses on Sunday are there! … and my MIL and aunt Betty usually come with us, and they’re not Catholics.

Thanks for setting me straight!

Blessings,

Ruthie