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I don’t think Catholic Theology is Replacement Theology but Covenant Theology. The promise was to Abraham and his seed and Abrahams seed is Christ and we who belong to Christ are also Abrahams seed due to the covenant.
Replacement Theology is the theology that says The Church replaced Israel. As The Church is eternal due to Christs sacrifice being eternal, The Church couldn’t have replaced anything because it has always existed.
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Deum_quaerens
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“And first of all, by the death of our Redeemer, the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished; then the Law of Christ together with its mysteries, enactments, institutions, and sacred rites was ratified for the whole world in the blood of Jesus Christ. For, while our Divine Savior was preaching in a restricted area — He was not sent but to the sheep that were lost of the House of Israel — the Law and the Gospel were together in force; but on the gibbet of His death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees fastened the handwriting of the Old Testament to the Cross, establishing the New Testament in His blood shed for the whole human race. ‘To such an extent, then,’ says St Leo the Great, speaking of the Cross of our Lord, ‘was there effected a transfer from the Law to the Gospel, from the Synagogue to the Church, from the many sacrifices to one Victim, that, as Our Lord expired, that mystical veil which shut off the innermost part of the temple and its sacred secret was rent violently from top to bottom.’” (Pius XII, Mystici Corporis Christi, §29; bold emphasis mine)
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East_Anglican
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from the Synagogue to the Church, could also mean from Gods people worshiping in the temple to Gods people being the temple. Instead of being in the innermost part of the temple in Jerusalem he is in the innermost part of us.
We can glean what we want form the church fathers and as a rule we all do.
But that post is a real keeper. I felt very blessed reading it.
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bobregan
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I like your quote, East Anglican from Thomas Kempis’ Imitation of Christ. Another good one is “I’d rather feel contrition then know how to define it.” Kempis’ chapter on death is very good, and puts everything in our life in to perspective: “I’d rather pray for a good life rather than a long one.”
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ICA04
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Well, I soon think that I don’t really care if you say more because the point has been made. Do you not know what the Spanish Inquision was?? Do you not know that thousands were burned at the stake by the Catholic church. It is a historical fact. Say more if you like at the risk of obviously coddling the atrocities of your church’s past.
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GKC
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Lea is good, though some folks have found errors. Kamen is excellent, and, on the Spanish Inquisition particularly, Netanyahu. (Father of Benjamin N). Peters, who held the H.C. Lea Chair in Medieval History at Lea’s Univ. of Penn, is good.
Spread it around.
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josie_L
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That is a cop out. But thank you for validating what I already knew.
By the way, the three to four thousands killed (in the 300 years) you refer to was a tragedy, but has I already expressed the Inquisition was not under Papal authority. And please, don’t let me remind you of the witch hunts whereupon tens of thousands were killed by Protestants. Two can place this game, ICA04. You’ve gone too far.
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josie_L
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It was in the 70’s that the Spanish government allowed its archives to be opened for viewing, allowing academics to see documents until then unseen by others. Lea’s book, I believe would be antiquated. Also, errors were indeed found (can’t remember the name of the person who found the errors though). This I did find however from Catholic Answers:
“Fundamentalists writing about the Inquisition rely on books by Henry C. Lea (1825–1909) and G. G. Coulton (1858–1947). Each man got most of the facts right, and each made progress in basic research, so proper credit should not be denied them. The problem is that they did not weigh facts well, because they harbored fierce animosity toward the Church—animosity that had little to do with the Inquisition itself.”
Henry Kamen would indeed be a very good choice, but Jim, I don’t think he’ll read it.
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GKC
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I think that’s a fair assessment of Lea and Coulton (though I’m no expert on the Inquisiton, having only about 5-6 books on it). The most prominent person I know who first exposed some errors in Lea’s work was Thurston. Coulton, who was a great supporter of Lea, admitted as much.
But even so, and antiquated as it might be, Lea’s work on the Inquisition was a milestone, as Peters says. But one needs to read more. That is almost always true, no matter what the subject.
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atheist1
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What of the witch hunts conducted by catholics?
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sdtouchton
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Truth…
"The Church, instituted by the Lord and confirmed by the Apostles, is one for all men;
but the frantic folly of the diverse impious acts sects has cut them off from her. It cannot
be denied that this tearing asunder of the faith has arisen from the defect of poor intelligence,
which twists what is read to conform to its opinion, instead of adjusting its opinion to the
meaning of what is read. However, while individual parties fight among themselves, the
Church stands revealed not only by her own doctrines, but by those also of her adversaries.
And although they are all arranged against her, she confutes the most wicked error which
they all share, by the very fact that she is alone and One.
All the heretics, therefore, come against the Church; but while all the heretics can conquer
each other, they can win nothing for themselves. For their victory is the triumph of the
Church over all of them. One heresy struggles against that teaching of another, which the
faith of the Church has already condemned in the other heresy, - for there is nothing which
the heretics hold in common, ’ and the result is that they affirm our faith while fighting among themselves."
Saint Hilary of Poitiers… The Trinity, 7:4, 356 A.D… Jurgens 865
“Nothing under the sun is new, neither is any man able to say: Behold this is new;
for it has already gone before in the ages that were before us.” Ecclesiastes 1:10
The Jews tried to destroy it and they in turn were almost totally destroyed in 70 AD.
The Catholic Church is still here.
The Romans tried to destroy it, but they in turn were destroyed and their entire empire
collapsed in 471.
The Catholic Church is still here.
The Moslems tried to destroy it in the middle ages, and failed.
The Catholic Church is still here.
The Protestants tried to destroy it in the reformation and failed, and look what happened
to them. The Church of Protestantism, which Luther founded, was from the very beginning
cracked and splintered. Look at Protestantism today, over 36,400 splinters, with more
cropping up every day.
The Catholic Church is still here.
Hitler tried to destroy it and failed. Where is he and his 1000 year Reich now?
The Catholic Church is still here.
Communism tried to destroy it and failed, and where is communism today?
The Catholic Church is still here.
Why do you think the Catholic Church has endured all these attacks for almost two millennia?
It is because it was founded by Jesus Christ and is guarded from within and from without
by Him and the Holy Spirit, that is why. Christ guaranteed the perpetuality of His ONLY Church.
Isa 59:21, Matt 16:18, Matt 28:20, John 14:16-17, Eph 5:23, 1Tim 4:16
So, if all of the above much more formidable foes tried and failed to destroy the Catholic Church, what makes you think you can succeed?
Remember, if you fight against GOD’s Church, you fight against GOD Himself…
“If GOD is for us, who is against us?”
Romans 8:31
home.inreach.com/bstanley/pillar.htm
"The Church, instituted by the Lord and confirmed by the Apostles, is one for all men;
but the frantic folly of the diverse impious acts sects has cut them off from her. It cannot
be denied that this tearing asunder of the faith has arisen from the defect of poor intelligence,
which twists what is read to conform to its opinion, instead of adjusting its opinion to the
meaning of what is read. However, while individual parties fight among themselves, the
Church stands revealed not only by her own doctrines, but by those also of her adversaries.
And although they are all arranged against her, she confutes the most wicked error which
they all share, by the very fact that she is alone and One.
All the heretics, therefore, come against the Church; but while all the heretics can conquer
each other, they can win nothing for themselves. For their victory is the triumph of the
Church over all of them. One heresy struggles against that teaching of another, which the
faith of the Church has already condemned in the other heresy, - for there is nothing which
the heretics hold in common, ’ and the result is that they affirm our faith while fighting among themselves."
Saint Hilary of Poitiers… The Trinity, 7:4, 356 A.D… Jurgens 865
“Nothing under the sun is new, neither is any man able to say: Behold this is new;
for it has already gone before in the ages that were before us.” Ecclesiastes 1:10
The Jews tried to destroy it and they in turn were almost totally destroyed in 70 AD.
The Catholic Church is still here.
The Romans tried to destroy it, but they in turn were destroyed and their entire empire
collapsed in 471.
The Catholic Church is still here.
The Moslems tried to destroy it in the middle ages, and failed.
The Catholic Church is still here.
The Protestants tried to destroy it in the reformation and failed, and look what happened
to them. The Church of Protestantism, which Luther founded, was from the very beginning
cracked and splintered. Look at Protestantism today, over 36,400 splinters, with more
cropping up every day.
The Catholic Church is still here.
Hitler tried to destroy it and failed. Where is he and his 1000 year Reich now?
The Catholic Church is still here.
Communism tried to destroy it and failed, and where is communism today?
The Catholic Church is still here.
Why do you think the Catholic Church has endured all these attacks for almost two millennia?
It is because it was founded by Jesus Christ and is guarded from within and from without
by Him and the Holy Spirit, that is why. Christ guaranteed the perpetuality of His ONLY Church.
Isa 59:21, Matt 16:18, Matt 28:20, John 14:16-17, Eph 5:23, 1Tim 4:16
So, if all of the above much more formidable foes tried and failed to destroy the Catholic Church, what makes you think you can succeed?
Remember, if you fight against GOD’s Church, you fight against GOD Himself…
“If GOD is for us, who is against us?”
Romans 8:31
home.inreach.com/bstanley/pillar.htm
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Deum_quaerens
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That’s the point: there were barely any, and witch hunts were a largely Protestant phenomenon.
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atheist1
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What does “barely any” mean?
I guess your point is that your church was superstitous enough to conduct witch burnings, as were the protestants, but your church didn’t kill as many.
I fail to see why one should be proud of that.
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kalt
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I don’t know of any Catholics who are “quick” to point out other people’s semitism and ignore the anti-semites in the Catholic Church.
The point of the OP, I think, isn’t to point out one Lutheran who is anti-semitic. The point is that the founder of that religion was an anti-semite. There is a world of difference.
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