Shofar church in South Africa

[Nelio994]

Hi,

Thank you for your message.
I am unsure how the process works to leave the Shofar church but I will read into that.

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Also, it might be beneficial to ask your loved one where Jesus taught that feelings have anything to do with His presence; where He taught that the bible is how the faith is meant to be passed on; that the Shofar Church has divine authoty to retain and hand the faith on.

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I would greatly appreciate any links referring to the quote, I struggle to find direct information.

I shall give a listen to Dr. David Anders, thank you!

Regards!

 

[jcrichton]

Hi, Tom!

What you are claiming about Catholics is wrong.

Catholics do not believe that the Incarnation of the Word somehow kept God as a man.

The Incarnation of the Word was the means by which God determine to become the Immanuel (God-with-us); He never ceased being God. In His human body He walked the earth and offered Salvation through His human body’s death on the Cross.

By Spiritual means He Consecrated the Bread and Wine into His Body.

It is this which the Catholic Church Celebrates as the Holy Eucharist, not a man.

Since the Romans (and others as the JWs) have not understood Christianity they jump to the conclusions you have.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Hi, Does anyone know how to open a thread on this site?

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

But if you are expelled from for example the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the Philadelphia Church of God, that can be hard on you, you can feel you lost salvation. So it depends a lot on whether the group feels it is the true church of God, or just a part of the church of God

Tom, it actually depends upon the manipulation that a person is under.

The scientology thing operates on the same level as the Jehovah Witnesses–they separate the members from society (including blood relatives) and ostracize and persecute anyone who leaves their hold.

My friend, that control does not demonstrate that they have left the “true” church of God; it only demonstrate that they are lost without the drug and the support mechanism–ask any alcoholic/drug addict or any other person who suffered from any addiction… the loss of the vice is felt greater than all the sufferings that the vice imposes on them.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Tom, part of the problem is the schisms… whenever a body separates from another body there’s going to be competition.

I’m Catholic; born. Though I have not always been versed in Scriptures and even now I am not quite familiar with Doctrine and Church history… so I observe Scriptures both as an independent and as a member of the Body. First rule is that I may be wrong. So when examining Scriptures my goal is not to find error in the Teaching of the Church but to understand her Teaching from my own personal observation.

So I do not make theology but attempt to understand the Church’s theology.

Understanding Church history is the same. I seek to know what the Church Taught in order to understand her not to dismiss or fault her.

As far as I know the Church has never Taught a practice to ostracize those who leave the Faith.

Heresy and the teaching of heresy is indeed a different animal; but even so, we are far removed from the past and must engage it accordingly.

What I understand from the passages is that they speak to the Unifying Purpose of the Faith (One Baptism, One Gospel, One Faith, One Spirit, One Lord, One God); anything that rejects the Teaching is heresy and must be removed from the Body. Yet, if we study this honestly, we find that it is the last recourse–a member of the Body could always recant his/her heresy and return to the Fold.

It has been my experience that not a single Catholic has ever claimed that they were compelled or bullied into staying in the Church nor that they were maligned for having left the Faith.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Tom, it could well be vocabulary (or my previous encounters); when you stated:

After all, Catholics believe that Christ continues to be a man. So it is not like Jehovah’s Witnesses, who say that when Christ was resurrected, he was no longer a man.

You had introduced a comparison where, to me, it seemed that you were stating that Jesus, to Catholics, was merely human.

I would not have reacted if you were to have included something akin to, ‘while being also fully Divine.’

When I respond to all threads I take into consideration what people would take with them when reading both the posts and responses… some things do not raise a flag while others do; some remarks I ignore; some I challenge.

As I believe in Catholic theology I saw a misrepresentation due to the wording (intro and conclusion: Catholics… man); on this reply you have expanded your understanding of the Catholic Teaching on the Lord’s Supper. This leads me believe that you were indeed expressing the same thing as what Catholics believe but did not convey the full meaning. So I apologize for my previous conclusion.

This also means that I must thank you for expanding on your understanding of what Catholics Believe!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Hi, Tom!

Why is it that the separation of Church and state only works when people want the Catholic Church to blindly support the culture of death.

Your father, was he under the threat of the Church or under the threat of politicians who purported to represent the Church?

When a government makes laws and upholds them, that’s clearly a state issue.

Could you provide documentation of the Church’s mandates that only Catholics be allowed to rule/govern/exist?

One more question, were these Catholic schools or state schools?

Maran atha!

Angel