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I don’t know if we know enough about the accused to make a full assessment, but comparisons have been made to Hans Breivik, and I would be comfortable calling Breivik a far right extremist. It’s a kind of right wing radicalism, sort of the mirror image of left wing extremism. Left wing extremists ape the trotksy-esque notion that society basically needs to be blown up to usher in the promised land, whereas the right wing extremist believes that society needs to be pulled back in time to the promised land that was before all the left wing radicals came along. The two ideologies are symbiotic.
 
Opposition to insanities of Left wing extremists do not make one automatically right wing.

Left wing and right wing are binary descriptions regarding politics.

There are so many disparate groups against the insanities of different Left wing politics.

Putting them all in the basket of ‘right wing’ is not accurate nor logical.

Describing them as wanting to go back in time is also an inaccurate pejorative coming from the mindset the left side of politics.

This all stems from the false attribution by the Left of Nazi National Socialism as being extreme right wing and people against Left multi culturalism as being in the same vein as Nazi’s.

That way of thinking is indoctrinating for political reasons, inaccurate by objective facts and a Left wing meme that is now being challenged as it should be.
 
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I didn’t say everyone who opposed the left are radicals. But there are certainly right wing radicals. Killing a bunch of kids on an island just off the coast of Oslo because they were members of a left wing youth camp , sorry, that makes Breivik a right wing extremist.
 
Maybe we should just grieve and pray for the victims before engaging in inane partisan slapfights. Just a thought.
 
Breivik called himself a Knight Templar, and believed he was going to pave the way for a Christian European uprising against Islam. The man’s entire worldview was predicated on the notion that Europe had lost a state of grace and should boot out the Muslims and re-erect a kind of Christian medieval utopia. If you’re going to lump him in any sphere, it’s going to be the far right.
 
niceatheist said:
I didn’t say everyone who opposed the left are radicals. But there are certainly right wing radicals. Killing a bunch of kids on an island just off the coast of Oslo because they were members of a left wing youth camp , sorry, that makes Breivik a right wing extremist.
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I would go back to a proper description of right wing and left wing politics in their own right rather than an opposition to somebody else’s politics.

The example of Hitler’s National socialism being against Soviet Socialism is the pretext of calling Nazis right wing. This is clearly incorrect.

Yes, Breivik was against Left politics. But that does not make him automatically on the right side of politics. This is the same mistake. You have to define right politics on its own terms rather then someone opposing a certain brand of Left wing politics.
 
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niceatheist said:
Breivik called himself a Knight Templar, and believed he was going to pave the way for a Christian European uprising against Islam. The man’s entire worldview was predicated on the notion that Europe had lost a state of grace and should boot out the Muslims and re-erect a kind of Christian medieval utopia. If you’re going to lump him in any sphere, it’s going to be the far right.
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Why far right?

He was quite open that he wasn’t a Christian.
 
LawyersGunsAndMoney said:
Maybe we should just grieve and pray for the victims before engaging in inane partisan slapfights. Just a thought.
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Then support the retraction of the description of ‘right wing’ in the opening post and we can all stop. People do not continually get a free hit though and expect the other side to remain silent. That is unjust if people expect that.
 
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This seems more like an attempt to distance the right from its own nutjobs. Breivik, by any definition, was right wing.
 
Like it or not, Hitler’s chief supporters in the early 1930s were German conservatives. Some thought him a buffoon. Franz von Papen convinced Hindenburg to appoint Hitler chancellor, and von Papen was no socialist. Hitler’s chief political opponents were the German left. Hitler’s ideology is hard to square with political norms, but the German right adopted him readily enough.
 
People in the U.S. May try to pass gun control because of this 😦

This guy truly lost it on the Internet

He mentioned the innocent YouTuber Pewdiepie and now Pewdiepie is getting tons of hate for something he isn’t involved in
So pray for him
 
ineedofmercy said:
People in the U.S. May try to pass gun control because of this 😦
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People in the US are not going to give up their guns because people in a foreign country got killed in a gun incident. We have mass shootings all the time in our own country, involving American casualties, and it does not change the minds of people in the US who support individual gun ownership. If anything, this sort of thing makes people in the US who support guns more convinced that they need guns.

There are a number of reasons why people in the US think differently about guns, one being that in many areas the police are not able to respond in time to protect the citizens so individuals must protect themselves, another being that we are a country formed due to an armed revolution and the thought is always in the back of our minds that we might need those guns again.

Anyway, this thread is not about the US, it is about the casualties in NZ so let’s not worry about the US right now.
 
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Breivik called himself a Knight Templar, and believed he was going to pave the way for a Christian European uprising against Islam. The man’s entire worldview was predicated on the notion that Europe had lost a state of grace and should boot out the Muslims and re-erect a kind of Christian medieval utopia. If you’re going to lump him in any sphere, it’s going to be the far right.
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Why far right?

He was quite open that he wasn’t a Christian.
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His manifesto which is now being celebrated on world wide network of alt right forums, mentions his desire for the blessing of the Knights Templer groups. He also mentions subscribing to Trumps anti immigration ideology. There is no doubt that this is far right ideological terrorism.
 
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The perpetrator is a right wing white supremacist extremist
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What happened is terrible and I pray for the souls lost.

However, I’m starting to get sick of labeling these hateful people as “right wing.”

Fascism and racism are not “right wing.” They are simply hateful.

There are supremacists & extremists on both left and right. Labeling them right wing does NOTHING except make conservatives, esp conservative Christians look bad.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is already using this event in New Zealand as a way to attack faithful Christians and religions.

Let’s stop tying hate to left vs right. Let’s just stick to what they are: extremists.

God bless
 
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catholic03 said:
The perpetrator is a right wing white supremacist extremist.
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I’m neither right nor left, as I abjure both sides equally. But what makes you say he’s “right wing”? Most of the hatred and racism that I see comes from the left.
 
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RuthAnne said:
But what makes you say he’s “right wing”?
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The New Zealand authorities, who have all the evidence, including his “manifesto,” say so. If you have facts that they don’t, I trust you’ve already contacted them.
 
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