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I’m confused by the chart from the ADL because it should show higher numbers for Islamists simply from the San Bernadino shooting, and the Pulse nightclub shooting.
 
And how do you know it has no basis? I strongly suspect it’s backed by actual data. Where there is room for disagreement would be in determining definitions for right-wing extremism, left-wing extremism, and Islamic extremism.
 
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jasonthechief said:
I’m confused by the chart from the ADL because it should show higher numbers for Islamists simply from the San Bernadino shooting, and the Pulse nightclub shooting.
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The map identifies fatal incidents involving the different ideological motives. Not the number of people that died.
 
Ah I see, thanks. Seems like total fatalities would tell a clearer story. Using that criteria the 9/11 attacks and, the Oklahoma City bombing would count as 1 each (if it was covering those years). Doesn’t really capture the severity.

Regardless I’m not a fan of either side, left or right, using these things as a political club. Whatever our differences the vast majority of people do not condone or support violent extremists from whatever persuasion. The blame needs to fall squarely on the sick perpetrators, unless there is a clear link to an organized movement such as ISIS, IRA, etc.
 
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Emeraldlady:
Why does the citation from ADL ‘mean nothing’?
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Because anyone can make a chart say anything they want. It has no basis.
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Here is another report from a government source.


“of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent). The total number of fatalities is about the same for far right wing violent extremists and radical Islamist violent extremists over the approximately 15-year period (106 and 119, respectively). However, 41 percent of the deaths attributable to radical Islamist violent extremists occurred in a single event—an attack at an Orlando, Florida night club in 2016.”
 
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I would very much like to share some sources with you. I suppose it is because I am so new here that I am not allowed to post links. I can, however, do my best to share what I can, however I can, in hopes of getting you on a path to sorting some of this information yourself. I do not wish to incite any sort of arguments. My purpose is only to share what I feel/know is severe manipulation by media. I have literally spent more than a decade now trying to understand the deceit as fully as I can. I can substantiate everything with substantial sources. Original documentation absolutely when I can find it.

" ● Georg Hegel (1770 – 1831), an occultist, laid the foundation for Communist brainwashing. Today, is compromising philosophy and transformational process are changing churches as well as politics, education, business and communities.

● Karl Marx (1818 – 1883) adapted Hegel’s philosophy to his vision of a Communist/socialist world system. (See From Marx to Lenin, Gramsci & Alinsky)

● Like Marx, Lenin and Stalin saw Hegelian dialectic process as an essential tool for managing the masses. Through their hierarchical system of soviets (groups led by trained facilitators who led the group dialogue toward a prescribed and evolving consensus). Everyone had to trade individual thinking for collective thinking and communal values. The vision of “common good” was simply the carrot that justified total and cruel control. (See When Iron Gates Yield).

● The United Nations (1995) has promoted the dialectic process around the world. Like the mythical Phoenix rising out of its ashes, the UN emerged from the fiery devastation of World War II as a beacon of light to utopian humanists and their hopeful followers. Within two years after Communist leader Alger Hiss presided over its birth, some of its most powerful agencies had been established.

● UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) would be led by Julian Huxley – brother of Aldous and a Fabian Socialist. He made the dialectic process the heart of UNESCO’s global education plan. In his 1947 book, UNESCO: Its purpose and Its Philosophy, he wrote:
"The task before UNESCO… is to help the emergence of a single world culture. …at the moment, two opposing philosophies of life confront each other from the West and from the East… You may categorize the two philosophies as two super-nationalisms, or as individualism versus collectivism … or as capitalism versus communism, or as Christianity versus Marxism . Can these opposites be reconciled, this antithesis be resolved in a higher synthesis? …through the inexorable dialectic of evolution, it must happen…
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“In pursuing this aim, we must eschew [shun] dogma - whether it be theological dogma or Marxist dogma… East and West will not agree on a basis of the future if they merely hurl at each other the fixed ideas of the past. For that is what dogma’s are – the crystallizations of some dominant system of thought … If we are to achieve progress, we must learn to uncrystalize our dogmas.”
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● WHO (The World Health Organization) was led by Canadian psychiatrist Brock Chisholm. He summarized his socialist philosophy at a 1946 US conference on mental health. His message was published by the (now prestigious) magazine Psychiatry, and by his Communist friend, Alger Hiss in the socialist magazine, International Conciliation. Notice the obstacles to “mental health”:
"Can we identify the reasons why we fight wars…? Many of them are easy to list – prejudice, isolationism, the ability to emotionally and uncritically to believe unreasonable things…

"The only psychological force capable of producing these perversions is morality, the concept of right and wrong… For many generations we have bowed our necks to the yoke of the conviction of sin. We have swallowed all manner of poisonous certainties fed us by our parents, our Sunday and day school teachers…
“Individuals who have emotional disabilities of their own – guilts, fears, inferiorities – are certain to project their hates on to others… Whatever the cost, we must learn to live in friendliness and peace with… all the people in the world…”
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Those " poisonous certainties " include all the unchanging truths and values that can’t be compromised. That’s why Biblical Christianity was – and continues to be – incompatible with the world’s standards for “mental health.” Many who refuse to conform to the evolving guidelines for tolerance, inclusiveness, group dialogue and adaptability to the UN plan for “continual change” are facing severe consequences.5 [See “Ban truth, reap tyranny”]

Like Karl Marx, today’s globalist leaders seek ways to undermine Biblical truth. They know that the main obstacle to global solidarity, is God’s uncompromising Word. They cannot build “a single world culture” without first undermining absolute Truth. After all, that’s why Christians were persecuted in the Soviet Union and other Communist countries!

● ASCD (the curriculum arm of the NEA), published a 1970 book with a chapter by Dr. Raymond Houghton, who envisions a world managed through the subtle but manipulative collective “dialogue.” His warning should be a wake-up call for all who love truth and factual integrity:
 
“…absolute behavior control is imminent… The critical point of behavior control, in effect, is sneaking up on mankind without his self-conscious realization that a crisis is at hand. Man will… never self-consciously know that it has happened.”[1]
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● UNESCO published a 1995 book titled Our Creative Diversity . It tells us that–
“The challenge to humanity is to adopt new ways of thinking, new ways of acting, new ways of organizing itself in society, in short, new ways of living.”[2] (See Reinventing the World)
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● Marc Tucker, the master-mind behind today’s global school-to-work system.
“[ Our objective ] will require a change in the prevailing culture – the attitudes, values, norms and accepted ways of doing things.”[3]"
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The above is what I guess I see as the roots of all of the movements I am going to post here if I can. I know this because all these authors make this information crystal clear.

Van Jones. STORM. He was appointed by President Obama to act as White House green czar. When it became known of his communist ties, he was let go, but remained a stout “community organizer” for the left and presently he is a commentator or CNN.

Cloward and Piven Strategy. Formed in 1966 by radical community organizers who wrote the system was to be overwhelmed by social reform and destabilized by playing people against each other. The system as we know it would be brought down and their new structure would be allowed to take form.

Rules for Radicals. Sal Alinsk y. This was the forward written is his book. Snopes marginalizes the intent he had for Lucifer, but that is Snopes for you. Most of these radical Progressive activists detest Christianity and if you read their writings, at their cores, it will be what is purged first.
Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.
— SAUL ALINSKY
 
Really it seems you’ve gone to a lot of effort without answering the question. Which of the terror events we are talking about, have been driven by these ideologies?
 
jasonthechief said:
Ah I see, thanks. Seems like total fatalities would tell a clearer story. Using that criteria the 9/11 attacks and, the Oklahoma City bombing would count as 1 each (if it was covering those years). Doesn’t really capture the severity.

Regardless I’m not a fan of either side, left or right, using these things as a political club. Whatever our differences the vast majority of people do not condone or support violent extremists from whatever persuasion. The blame needs to fall squarely on the sick perpetrators, unless there is a clear link to an organized movement such as ISIS, IRA, etc.
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I don’t think it would. The casualty numbers from 9/11, for example, depended on a massive number of different factors, most of which were out of the control of the perpetrators.

What if, for example, one or both of the planes that hit the WTC had been delayed? Could have made a large impact on the number of casualties. What if the third plane had reached its intended target (believed to be heading for the White House if I recall correctly) instead of crashing? Again, we could have been looking at very different figures.

Nothing to do with the nature of the act.
 
I’m not going to spoon feed you. This has taken years to understand and unless you’re willing to put forth a little effort you might not get it. But the answer to your question is easily found within the sources I gave you.
 
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Emeraldlady:
Really it seems you’ve gone to a lot of effort without answering the question. Which of the terror events we are talking about, have been driven by these ideologies?
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https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorism-deaths-ideology-charlottesville-anomaly
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I’ll refer that information to RuthAnne as further evidence that far right extremism is more of a problem than far left extremism today.
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What precisely would be your point, since the article goes to great pains to explain that neither right (1 in 7 611 300 chance) nor left (1 in 165 132 125 chance) extremism is that much of a “problem” relative to all the other problems available to choose from?

For example, your chance of being killed by a jihadist extremist is far higher than either of the others (1 in 464 138).

Your odds of dying while traveling by rail are 1 in 225,879.

Your odds of dying by heart disease are 1 in 6.

“More of a problem” seems just a tad of an overstatement since 0.0000001313836 is “more” than 0.00000000605576, but neither of them are much “more” than 0. Neither are much of a “problem” at the moment, statistically speaking.

Tragic as such events are, the global media seems to have an insatiable hunger to create mass panic and fear by broadcasting these events far and wide. By focusing so much attention on them, the media is actually providing incentive for psychopaths and sociopaths to do more of the same.

Perhaps the real “problem” is the media sensationalizing terrorism and thereby providing potential terrorists the wherewithal to use terrorism far more frequently and effectively than would otherwise be the case?

Seems to me that the media are willing accomplices in terrorism because they profit so much from focusing on it and from keeping people frightened out of their minds, as well as giving psychopaths and sociopaths the forum they need to be seen and heard and publicly lionized or vilified by some faction or other.
 
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A woman lays flowers at Deans Avenue near the al Noor Mosque in Christchurch on March 16.

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