Shooting in New Zealand

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We included a seperate prayer for this, at the beginning of Mass today. The Priest had it prepared and read it out. There are now 50 murdered.

Please people just stop debating on this thread.
 
No actually, that is not the case at all. I don’t claim to have any special knowledge that anyone else cannot access themselves. What I shared was concrete original sources on intentions of those who are in high political/ corporate office. I am amazed at how quick Catholics will band against someone who is struggling with what she sees as a grave threat. I have provided you with actual documentation that can be verified. 12 years ago, I believed this all to be conspiratorial propaganda. I set out on a mission to prove it wrong, only, sadly, realized the person who so desperately tried to warn me, was correct. What happened in New Zealand is incredibly sad. I pray for them. I.am not being callous. I would not waste my time trying to get the attention of strangers so willing to throw me under the bus if I did not genuinely care about the well being of people in this country, or anywhere for that matter. I speak out because I care. If any of you say otherwise, you have no idea. I care about people, the truth, and our freedoms. I am guilty of being overly passionate, but irresponsibly spreading falsehoods to strangers on a religious forum, I am not.
 
I pray to God that you will question everything, research outside of the mainstream news, and try to keep a kind, open heart to those who want the truth to reach you. Perhaps some of you a whole lot smarter than I am will have ideas as how to begin to repair and prevent more damage.
 
I think we can start with the idea that you have hard-won knowledge, or just have gathered ramblings of sick and perverse people.
 
boclucky14 said:
I made a post marking this distinction, and it got flagged and deleted. Hopefully yours doesn’t.

Apparently it’s hateful to remind people the left/right as it’s being used in this thread (and most of the media) comes from pre-WW2 Germany (and to a degree, Western Europe).

We shouldn’t use the term right-wing to refer to a neo-Nazi or white supremacist anymore, unless we’re using it in the context of pre-WW2 Western Europe, as it conflates modern-day conservatives with racists and fascists and causes right-wingers to need to defend theirselves in a situation where they shouldn’t, because the person wasn’t any where near a conservative.

When you label this evil person as right-wing, your indirectly saying that modern conservatives (who are the modern day right-wing) wanted this person to do this, or support it in some way. It’s insulting, honestly.
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Yes I agree. Unfortunately at least one of my posts was also removed.

It is insulting and it is incorrect and it is dangerous and I am content that the opening poster also agrees and has retracted the descriptor.

Unfortunately there is a left wing hegemony that is constantly re-enforced to the detriment of truth. Our society splits along the lines of those upholding this left wing hegemony (hence the suppression) and those that oppose such hegemony as false and dangerous.
 
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While the left/right dichotomy goes back further than that, to the Revolutionary era French National Assembly, and its various successors, you are basically correct. But occasionally, as William Buckley and National Review did, back in the 60s, responsible conservatives have to purge their own movement. It can get contaminated. And, as with many things, the subject is complex.
 
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As a classic liberal, dismayed by the hatred and irrationality of both the extreme left and right, I suggest we keep in mind that people have died and we should pray for them and their families.

Pray also for the perpetrator that he be given the grace of repentance.

Oh my Jesus
Forgive us our sins
Save us from the fires of hell
Especially those in most need of thy mercy
 
So are you prepared to give the political left the same courtesy? If the right is apparently without flaw or fault, and any on that side of the aisle are too vile and perverse, the wave of a magic rhetorical wand can make them disappear, so to with the left? Or is this really about purification of the right and sticking all the demons on the political left?
 
niceatheist said:
and any on that side of the aisle are too vile and perverse, the wave of a magic rhetorical wand can make them disappear
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He wasn’t a conservative. He was a fascist. He wasn’t on “my side of the aisle”, because the aisle isn’t defined by communism-fascism any more.
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So are you prepared to give the political left the same courtesy?
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We already do. If a communist happens to murder people, I wouldn’t say a “left-wing person”, I’d say a “communist”. In either situation, I wouldn’t defend fascism, and I doubt you would defend communism, as we both recognize both political systems as wrong, and that it attracts the type of people that cause these atrocities.
 
niceatheist said:
So are you prepared to give the political left the same courtesy? If the right is apparently without flaw or fault, and any on that side of the aisle are too vile and perverse, the wave of a magic rhetorical wand can make them disappear, so to with the left? Or is this really about purification of the right and sticking all the demons on the political left?
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Well demons belong in Hell not Heaven. It is not logical to say Heaven has to have it’s fair share of Demons too. That’s not to say the right is without flaw or fault, they were your words. But to ascribe equality to something that is not equal is not logical but it is part of the learned Left mindset when it tries to defend itself.
 
In other words, you believe the right to be uniquely more virtuous than the left. That’s very convenient.
 
I see little evidence that the shooter was a fascist, a word that has an actual meaning.
 
Fascism is a form of autocracy. It is a z coordinate, as it were, on the political continuum. One can be a conservative and a fascist.
 
niceatheist said:
n other words, you believe the right to be uniquely more virtuous than the left. That’s very convenient.
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Your insertion of the word uniquely and the comment on convenience is sophistry, not discussion.

OK off to Taipei now.
 
Sarcelle said:
As a classic liberal, dismayed by the hatred and irrationality of both the extreme left and right, I suggest we keep in mind that people have died and we should pray for them and their families.

Pray also for the perpetrator that he be given the grace of repentance.

Oh my Jesus
Forgive us our sins
Save us from the fires of hell
Especially those in most need of thy mercy
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