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I think I know the answer to this, but I still want to know what you think, and it may make me feel better to hear it.

It it morally wrong to have a “short-term” romantic relationship? In my example, we are 20-21 years old and she is going to graduate and leave (the country!) this spring. We’re pretty good friends (2+ years) and she just sprung it on me that she wanted to have some kind of relationship, but that it would end when she left. Under other circumstances I would potentially date her.

I didn’t feel good about that and said so. So this is pretty much hypothetical. My understanding is that the Church teaches that dating (or whatever you want to call it) is only acceptable as a process of discernment for marriage. Is that correct?
 
I think I know the answer to this, but I still want to know what you think, and it may make me feel better to hear it.

It it morally wrong to have a “short-term” romantic relationship? In my example, we are 20-21 years old and she is going to graduate and leave (the country!) this spring. We’re pretty good friends (2+ years) and she just sprung it on me that she wanted to have some kind of relationship, but that it would end when she left. Under other circumstances I would potentially date her.

I didn’t feel good about that and said so. So this is pretty much hypothetical. My understanding is that the Church teaches that dating (or whatever you want to call it) is only acceptable as a process of discernment for marriage. Is that correct?
I don’t think that there is specifically a rule that one must date solely for marriage, but it is a good guideline, and really shows the purpose of dating. I think you should go with your gut on this one. What would be the purpose of dating for only a short time, where it wouldn’t get anywhere? Why exactly does she want this relationship right now, for only a short period of time? 🤷 To me, it is nonsensical. I don’t understand what she expects to happen; this would be an entirely different scenario if she retained the possibility of dating long distance.
 
This is not the place to get an answer, because there can be a lot of other things at work here. She might be scared that you will want to break it off after she leaves. So she told you that so you can feel like you have an out.

In the end, there is no way to answer this since you are the only one that knows how much you like her and how much she might like you. If you are interested in long-distance (not easy) then tell her that. Tell her if you were to date her it would be with the intention to continue the relationship long-distance if it works out. She might change her tone.

My $.02.
 
I’d date you, and maybe even have a romance, but only if I could be sure I wouldn’t be stuck with you, you know, for the long term.”

She might not want to have you point out the reality of her proposal so crassly as that, but that’s about what she’s saying. No thanks, friend! I think that “relationship” has about as many chips from your heart as I would be willing to put on the table, were I you.

I would also not date someone you don’t want to marry, because before you know it, you could find yourself married to them, anyway. Travel plans change, or there is some war, or the planes can’t fly, or affection just makes you do crazy things that you never ever thought you’d do, and there you are. Or, in your case, maybe there she is, trying to figure out how to get rid of you without “getting rid of you.” Romantic inertia is too powerful of a force to mess around with, and it does not have a rewind button. Save it for real prospects, because you can never be sure that the “short term” prospects will accept it when their “term” was supposed to have been up. At any rate, the experiment has turned out that way, time and again…C’est la vie!

I don’t think the Church has come down specifically on this one, but rather asks her children to learn prudence, to love virtue, and to follow the good sense that the Good Lord gave them.
 
This is a personal decision that is up to you.

Me? I wouldn’t do it. For me, “romantic relationships,” or dating, is potential spouses. Somebody who is intends to end a relationship at a set date isn’t a potential spouse. If this person simply wanted to be a friend that would probably be fine, especially if there is no romantic attraction.
 
Thanks for the responses. I think they’re all quite insightful in their own ways. I’ve already made my decision, but it was still good to read this. If anyone has more to add, I’m sure I can’t be the only one looking for perspectives.
 
I think I know the answer to this, but I still want to know what you think, and it may make me feel better to hear it.

It it morally wrong to have a “short-term” romantic relationship? In my example, we are 20-21 years old and she is going to graduate and leave (the country!) this spring. We’re pretty good friends (2+ years) and she just sprung it on me that she wanted to have some kind of relationship, but that it would end when she left. Under other circumstances I would potentially date her.

I didn’t feel good about that and said so. So this is pretty much hypothetical. My understanding is that the Church teaches that dating (or whatever you want to call it) is only acceptable as a process of discernment for marriage. Is that correct?
There is no reason that a “brief” relationship does not have to focus on discerning marriage. You could very well use this time to discern if you are compatible for marriage, whether she might return someday and be open to marriage etc.

So the answer is, it is not necessarily morally wrong.

However, as a Catholic, do keep in mind that some physical boundaries are reserved for marriage. Respecting these boundaries, and brief relationship can be appropriate. Break these bounds, and even a “long-term” relationship can be inappropriate.

Take care, and God Bless!
 
The only honorable purpose for dating is to seek a marriage partner. Knowing you will soon be forced to part could push you both to become intimate much faster than usual. As a Crisis Pregnancy Counselor I learned that many couples became pregnant just as they were breaking up! The grief, and loss of the relationship led them, in desperation, to make some unwise choices.
 
There is no reason that a “brief” relationship does not have to focus on discerning marriage. You could very well use this time to discern if you are compatible for marriage, whether she might return someday and be open to marriage etc.

So the answer is, it is not necessarily morally wrong.



Take care, and God Bless!
Interesting. Does anybody second this?
 
As a practical matter, her telling you she wanted to have a short-term relationship is at best an odd thing to do, and at worst, well I think that was explained above. It’s possible that she could be afraid that the distance won’t work, but I think it stands to reason that you shouldn’t go into a relationship with the explicit intention of it being cut off at a certain point. Taking a specific amount of time to discern whether to move forward would be something different.

Now, the morality of it is an interesting question. Your intuition is right that it’s not a good thing, but why exactly? Well, you all are already brother and sister in Christ, and you are already friends. So, what would it mean for you to have a romantic relationship? It would mean that you would be pursuing one another in a more intimate manner, enjoying the emotional intimacy that comes with that. But such love is not something to be “used” for the moment. You are not something to be used for the comfort or excitement of the moment.

And to a certain degree, even in longterm, indefinite length relationships, a degree of “emotional chastity” is called for. There’s a level of intimacy appropriate only for the one with whom you will become one. So that’s also something to keep in mind.

I’m assuming that physical chastity is a given.
 
Now, the morality of it is an interesting question. Your intuition is right that it’s not a good thing, but why exactly? Well, you all are already brother and sister in Christ, and you are already friends. So, what would it mean for you to have a romantic relationship? It would mean that you would be pursuing one another in a more intimate manner, enjoying the emotional intimacy that comes with that.
Actually, she is Jewish. I fear the derailment of the thread, but is there a specific reason that being “brother and sister in Christ” is important to your train of thought?
 
Actually, she is Jewish. I fear the derailment of the thread, but is there a specific reason that being “brother and sister in Christ” is important to your train of thought?
Well, Catholics are exhorted to marry within the Christian faith, so it was an assumption on my part that this girl was a Christian. If she were a Christian, my saying that you all are brother and sister in Christ would be to highlight the progression of relationship from fellow believers in the Church, to friends in Christ, to romantically involved/betrothed.
 
Well, Catholics are exhorted to marry within the Christian faith, so it was an assumption on my part that this girl was a Christian. If she were a Christian, my saying that you all are brother and sister in Christ would be to highlight the progression of relationship from fellow believers in the Church, to friends in Christ, to romantically involved/betrothed.
Okay, thank you.
 
It it morally wrong to have a “short-term” romantic relationship? In my example, we are 20-21 years old and she is going to graduate and leave (the country!) this spring. We’re pretty good friends (2+ years) and she just sprung it on me that she wanted to have some kind of relationship, but that it would end when she left. Under other circumstances I would potentially date her.
In my opinion that would be wrong. Relationships aren’t meant to be for fun. A lot of people get fixated on the here and now of the boyfriend and girlfriend relationship. But the boyfriend and girlfriend relationship is not a separate type of civil/marital status in its own right. Boyfriends and girlfriends are basically friends who are potential spouses, in short, that relationship is about discerning. It’s not about having someone right now.

For the record, you can have coffees and conversations and even dinners and movies with a lady friends. Friends can spend time together and make it meaningful time, happy time, exciting time. But there is no need to make it strictly romantic, and the cuddling and kissing part of it is not necessary (it isn’t really necessary for discernment to find out whether the other person is a great kisser or not anyway IMHO).
I didn’t feel good about that and said so. So this is pretty much hypothetical. My understanding is that the Church teaches that dating (or whatever you want to call it) is only acceptable as a process of discernment for marriage. Is that correct?
The Church doesn’t formulate an express teaching that dating is only acceptable in such and such circumstances, but the Church can’t really go on about regulating the most minute of details or we would leave in a world with 10,000 commandments, possibly beating living under Halachic law. The Church might also be more inclined to look at things in a perspective of hundreds and thousands of lives of history, whereas dating is a modern form of going about the discernment etc. process.

But from the teaching and from the works of the late JP2 it does show that the romantic faculties aren’t meant for simple enjoyment, they come with a purpose. And it’s an official teaching that our sexual faculty is ordained towards marriage. Human sexuality has a broader context than just the sexual intercourse, and it includes those enjoyable consequences of the difference in sexes and mutual attraction.
Interesting. Does anybody second this?
Short answer: no.

Long answer: perhaps dating that woman with the intention of trying to sway her to change her mind, which basically means grasping at straws to make use of any chance you might have with her, could be morally right. But not IMHO a relationship based on enjoying the moment without thinking about the future, let alone where the future is expressly barred.

Using it as an opportunity to learn something about women or about the reactions of one’s own brain and personality to certain things would also be wrong. Humans are not tools for each other’s learning process. It would be acceptable to meet in dating-like situations for that purpose, simply being friends and learning from it, but not to have a romantic relationship with things that lovers do. In short: LJBF.
 
I think I know the answer to this, but I still want to know what you think, and it may make me feel better to hear it.

It it morally wrong to have a “short-term” romantic relationship? In my example, we are 20-21 years old and she is going to graduate and leave (the country!) this spring. We’re pretty good friends (2+ years) and she just sprung it on me that she wanted to have some kind of relationship, but that it would end when she left. Under other circumstances I would potentially date her.

I didn’t feel good about that and said so. So this is pretty much hypothetical. My understanding is that the Church teaches that dating (or whatever you want to call it) is only acceptable as a process of discernment for marriage. Is that correct?
The Church doesn’t get specific on dating. Dating is a human invention. It is not a divine institution. Marriages were arranged during Christ’s day. Historically, romantic love was seen as a form of lust that tempted married individuals to commit adultery. It was understood to promise more than it offered as the intense romantic feelings were believe to last only for a short duration. Scientifically, the experience we call being “in love” only does last 6 to 3 years. In marriage, a much deeper love must develop, and actually, (aside from countries that demean women in general), couples in arranged marriages typically experience a growth in love the longer they are married. Their attachment and feelings increase and surpass those who married for love after a few years. They also only have a 3% divorce rate. Granted, people dispute the reasons for the low divorce rate and many point to Islamic countries and countries where very young girls are married to much older men.

But the point I am trying to make is that it is our culture that teaches us how to discern marriage. There is no right or wrong way, necessarily, to do it, so long as we are not engaging in sinful behavior. Often times we look to dating as a way to get the benefits of marriage without the commitment of marriage. This could be for physical intimacy but it could also be for emotional intimacy. Even if we’re telling ourselves we just want the emotional intimacy, the temptation to physical intimacy can be strong.

I’d say it depends on what you mean by dating. If you mean going out to movies and having a fun summer as best friends, fine. If it means sharing intimate parts of yourself emotionally or physically (of which the emotional intimacy would likely lead to physical intimacy anyway even if you didn’t go all the way), than I’d say you’d be using each other.
 
The Church doesn’t get specific on dating. Dating is a human invention. It is not a divine institution.
I understand this. In retrospect “the Church teaches” was incorrect, but I gather that there is some sort of general feeling to that effect among modern Catholics.
Marriages were arranged during Christ’s day. Historically, romantic love was seen as a form of lust that tempted married individuals to commit adultery. It was understood to promise more than it offered as the intense romantic feelings were believe to last only for a short duration. Scientifically, the experience we call being “in love” only does last 6 to 3 years. In marriage, a much deeper love must develop, and actually, (aside from countries that demean women in general), couples in arranged marriages typically experience a growth in love the longer they are married. Their attachment and feelings increase and surpass those who married for love after a few years. They also only have a 3% divorce rate. Granted, people dispute the reasons for the low divorce rate and many point to Islamic countries and countries where very young girls are married to much older men.

But the point I am trying to make is that it is our culture that teaches us how to discern marriage. There is no right or wrong way, necessarily, to do it, so long as we are not engaging in sinful behavior.
I’m sorry, you think that arranged marriages are preferable because “romantic love” is not real love but only lust? You didn’t exactly say that, but that’s what you seem to be implying.
Often times we look to dating as a way to get the benefits of marriage without the commitment of marriage. This could be for physical intimacy but it could also be for emotional intimacy. Even if we’re telling ourselves we just want the emotional intimacy, the temptation to physical intimacy can be strong.

I’d say it depends on what you mean by dating. If you mean going out to movies and having a fun summer as best friends, fine. If it means sharing intimate parts of yourself emotionally or physically (of which the emotional intimacy would likely lead to physical intimacy anyway even if you didn’t go all the way), than I’d say you’d be using each other.
I don’t know if you’re referring to my situation in particular or to dating in general. These statements seem equally applicable to dating in general. What it sounds like you’re saying is: People shouldn’t carry on romantic, non-married relationships because (1) there is danger of inappropriate physical intimacy, and (2) emotional intimacy is also a problem.

I appreciate that a number of people, quite reasonably, think that a relationship with an expiration date, as I have described, is inadvisable. I also think there is little point in debating whether dating is wrong because the couple might get too physically intimate (I have seen such threads, blog posts, and tracts). But I wonder if you might explain what you see as the problem with “emotional intimacy”. Is it only because in this instance the relationship sounds like it wouldn’t have been serious enough? Or are you saying this even in the context of people who are considering marriage?
 
The Church doesn’t get specific on dating. Dating is a human invention. It is not a divine institution. Marriages were arranged during Christ’s day. Historically, romantic love was seen as a form of lust that tempted married individuals to commit adultery. It was understood to promise more than it offered as the intense romantic feelings were believe to last only for a short duration. Scientifically, the experience we call being “in love” only does last 6 to 3 years. In marriage, a much deeper love must develop, and actually, (aside from countries that demean women in general), couples in arranged marriages typically experience a growth in love the longer they are married. Their attachment and feelings increase and surpass those who married for love after a few years. They also only have a 3% divorce rate. Granted, people dispute the reasons for the low divorce rate and many point to Islamic countries and countries where very young girls are married to much older men.

But the point I am trying to make is that it is our culture that teaches us how to discern marriage. There is no right or wrong way, necessarily, to do it, so long as we are not engaging in sinful behavior. Often times we look to dating as a way to get the benefits of marriage without the commitment of marriage. This could be for physical intimacy but it could also be for emotional intimacy. Even if we’re telling ourselves we just want the emotional intimacy, the temptation to physical intimacy can be strong.

I’d say it depends on what you mean by dating. If you mean going out to movies and having a fun summer as best friends, fine. If it means sharing intimate parts of yourself emotionally or physically (of which the emotional intimacy would likely lead to physical intimacy anyway even if you didn’t go all the way), than I’d say you’d be using each other.
Arranged marriages were hardly a “divine institution,” either, but I don’t think you are trying to say that they were. You are pointing out, instead, that society has been all over the map on where romantic love fits into the freedom of the sons and daughters of God. Free consent by both bride and groom are necessary for a valid marriage, and has been since the beginning (much to the chagrin of some parents, over the centuries). How they decide who to marry is not something the Church has ever specified, save that the Church holds that Catholics are only free to marry other Catholics, that they must be in a state of grace when they receive the Sacrament and try to remain in a state of grace at every moment from the baptismal font to the grave, and that they must get permission to marry outside the faith.

This friend of his seems to want to go from a basic friendship to some sort of “friendship with privileges”–not necessarily unlimited privileges even unto gross unchastity, as the slang tends to mean, but still privileges beyond a platonic friendship–but perhaps we all read her intentions wrong. Perhaps she just wants to give him the benefit of the lion’s share of her social time, with the understanding that she is very definitely NOT looking for a courtship situation that will lead to marriage.

IOW, maybe he needs to ask exactly what she is looking for. He may be worried about nothing, provided he is not concerned that he will meet someone he does want to attract into marriage at the time that he’s promised some platonic female friend that his social calendar has been blocked off for entirely platonic pursuits with her. (Yes, I can think of casual male friends that I’d consider as a serious platonic social partner in terms of time spent together that I would never encourage to think that I’d marry them. Some men just walk into your life like a long-lost brother, with the emphasis on the brother part.) That issue ought to be discussed, too.

That is another thought: If this couple spends a certain amount of time as such a serious social item, their future spouses are never going to buy that there is not a “thing” between them, whether they ever “got romantic” in reality or not! IOW, they may be ensuring that their future spouses will never want this pair of friends to get within a mile of each other after they marry someone else. It may be better to socialize in groups of friends, so that it will be easier to convince those who need convincing that being a real couple was never on the table then, and on that account ought not to be seen as any threat to a marriage of the future.

If you want your wife and yourself to be friends with this woman and her husband in the future, should the opportunity arise, think about that. You may live to thank yourselves. You each only have to find one spouse, but few couples find more trusted friends than they know what to do with. Married people often wish they had far fewer old flames…as in, as close to zero as possible. Treat your friendships wisely, then!
 
I think I know the answer to this, but I still want to know what you think, and it may make me feel better to hear it.

It it morally wrong to have a “short-term” romantic relationship? In my example, we are 20-21 years old and she is going to graduate and leave (the country!) this spring. We’re pretty good friends (2+ years) and she just sprung it on me that she wanted to have some kind of relationship, but that it would end when she left. Under other circumstances I would potentially date her.

I didn’t feel good about that and said so. So this is pretty much hypothetical. My understanding is that the Church teaches that dating (or whatever you want to call it) is only acceptable as a process of discernment for marriage. Is that correct?
For me I don’t think its the term “short” that bothers me with your problem but more that the relationship already has an “expiration” date stamped on it. I don’t understand what benefits she is wanting from having a “relationship” that you already know is going to end on a very determined date. I personally don’t think every relationship has to be about discerning marriage, but I think at least the relationship should have all the time in the world for the people involved to discern what it is they are seeking in the relationship, and also in themselves.

It sounds a bit like she wants to “play” girlfriend and boyfriend and quite honestly, I think I would feel a bit used. There is certainly the potential that you could develop real feelings for her during this “short term” relationship and then what would you do when its time for her to leave and the relationship must end?

If you’re good friends, why can’t you continue to do things just as friends until she leaves? I don’t understand why she wants to “bump” it up to the next level if you two are not committed to discerning if this is a relationship that can lead to marriage.
 
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