Shortage of Priests - Where?

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Hello CAF members. The search option is great but I had a specific thread I wanted to make where we can list our parish and if there is a shortage of priests.

To Start - Parishes I have been active members:
Holy Spirit Parish aka Newman Hall at Berkeley, CA. (1 Pastor, 1 Associate, 1 Retired)
St. Gabriel in San Francisco, CA (1 Pastor, 1 Associate, 1 Retired)
St. Dominic in San Francisco, CA (1 Pastor, 2 Associate, several visiting priests each year)
Blessed Sacrament Parish in Westminster, CA (1 Pastor, 2 Associate, 2 Retired)

There are no shortage of priests in the sense that I hear about here. However priests tend to make the best friends for me, so to me there is always a shortage =).
 
at my parish we have 1 Pastor and 1 Parochial Vicar, plus one priest that visits frquesntly he is a Jesuit. another church in my town has 1 Pastor and I think 3 Parohjial Vicars
 
At my hometown parish in Ohio, there are two priests that serve three parishes. A fourth parish was closed (possibly due to priest shortages).
 
A friend of mine is pastor of three parishes in the 3 different towns with no parochial vicars or deacons; just him. He has a vigil Mass in Spanish on Saturday. On Sunday morning he celebrates 4 Masses in the 3 towns starting at 8:15 am (and 15 miles from his rectory) and finishing at 2:30 pm and then he can head home (42 miles away) and he’s not the only one in our diocese doing that. God bless all our priests!!!
 
This problem seems to be on a very diocese to diocese basis. My diocese here, Bridgeport, CT, seems to be thriving, judging by the multiple priests per parish (for the most part) as well as a pretty full seminary. On the other hand, I constantly hear about areas where one priest must be a pastor to more than one parish. Perhaps places where there is a lower population of Catholics (ie the “Bible belt” areas where various Protestant churches are more prevalent) or places with more liberal or lax clergy and leadership tend to have less priests?

Keep praying for more holy priests, the eager young men are out there, pray that they hear the call and respond as God wishes 🙂

Peace and blessings,
Frank
 
The majority of priests in my Diocese are from Europe or the Third World. We have only a few who were actually born and educated here.
 
Our parish has one (old, but active) priest. We do have 2 permanent deacons. There are about 300 families. We used to have a parochial vicar, he was a religious and was re-assigned by his order. We may get another eventually from that order.

The Cathedral and the other big parish in Lexington each have 3 priests and numerous deacons, and a couple other big ones have one priest and several deacons and/or a second or part-time retired priest. Most of the others in Lexington and the immediately surrounding area have just one priest, possibly with a deacon or a part-time retired priest.

But in the rest of the diocese, mostly rural, many of the very tiny parishes share a priest with 2 or 3 other parishes and have no deacons.
 
Parish to the north: Three parishes combined to form one parish; one Priest.

Parish to the south: FOUR parishes combined to form one parish; Two Priests, one of whom is from Asia, not a Diocesan Priest. Former co-Pastor sent to another combined parish.

Of former parishes, three were closed, others have been combined. Not one of the nine parishes I have been a member of in my life time exists as it did 40 years ago.

There has been an increase in vocations over the past decade, but nowhere near enough to cover for those retiring or dying.

Yes, definitely a Priest shortage. And it won’t get better any time soon.
 
I have a sort of related question, is there a certain age that a priest must retire? And when they do retire what do they do? It would be weird spending your life being a priest and then suddenly being on your own with nothing to do, so what do they do?
 
I have a sort of related question, is there a certain age that a priest must retire? And when they do retire what do they do? It would be weird spending your life being a priest and then suddenly being on your own with nothing to do, so what do they do?
every priest or bishop I know who has retired continues in ministry, possibly working only 40 hrs a week rather than 60+. They help priests who are struggling to serve one or more parishes or missions alone, and so the active priests can have much needed time off for vacation, sabbatical, retreat, or their own medical needs. The work literally until they drop, or until they can no longer remain active due to their health. This is a retirement mecca, and there are several priests from up north who come down here in the winter, one is a gifted retreat master and active almost non-stop, as well as assisting in 2-3 parishes near his park. Another has been chaplain to a convent of sisters, until he had to go into the nursing home. A third serves at the basilica celebrating at least one Mass/day and hearing confessions daily and is a spiritual director. Many more simply die with their boots on.

I have not belonged to a parish in over 30 years that has had the luxury of more than one assigned priest. For the fate of Ohio parishes check out the Cleveland plain dealer on church closings, 1/3 of the parishes closing or merging. Cluster parishes are becoming the rule rather than the exception in many dioceses esp. in the north and rust belt. At least 2/3 of our priests here are within 10 yrs of retirement age, 70-75 depending on order.

we do have a new thriving seminary but I think all but one of the seminaristas are from Mexico and S. America.
 
Thanks for your response. So do you mean that they normally retire as a regular priest at 70-75?
 
The retirement age for priest is going to be determined by whether the priest is secular or religoius. Secular priests are allowed to retire when they reach retirement age, usually 65. At that point they may choose to live anywhere they want. They often help out at local parishes on Sundays. Priests who are religious do not retire. They remain active until they can no longer serve as priests. Then the religious community takes care of them. Often they end up doing other things such as formation work, clerical duties at the motherhouse of the community, or manual labor.

One of the many reasons that there is a shortage of priests in certain dioceses is the fact that religious are no longer taking on new parishes. Most of the younger religious want to return to their roots. Most religious communities were not founded to serve as parish priests. They ordain some or all of their members, but for a different ministry.

For example, if you notice the Franciscans on EWTN, they have many ordained friars. But none of them serve in parishes. It’s contrary to the rule of St. Francis. If you look at the Franciscans of the Reform (Fr. Benedict G’s community), they have over 100 ordained friars. Not a single one serves in a parish, even though there are parishes without priests. My own community, Franciscan Friars of Penance, we have 30 ordained friars. Only one serves in a parish. All of these friars were ordained for the purpose of serving their confreres, not parishes. They also work in soup kitchens, communication ministry, retreat ministry, respect life, homeless shelters, street ministry, youth ministry, urban poor, rural poor, missions and teaching. This is part of the trend to return to the foundations of religious life.

As time passes, many religious men who are ordained will end up in other ministries. If you look at Fr. Corapi’s communtiy, the Mother of the Trinity, they do not do parish ministry either. They are dedicated to living the religious life and being itinerant preachers.

The Jesuits are also not replacing their men in parishes. They are returning to education and mission work. The same seems to be true with the Dominicans. The Fathers of Mercy do home missions. The Franciscans of the Atonement only work with the ecumenical movement. The Franciscan Friars of Peace no longer ordain any friar. The Franciscans of the Eucharist do not ordain any friars either.

The focus among religious is to live the religious life with their brothers and among the poor. The religious who are ordained are often sent to parishes that are very poor, such as inner city or rural. I can’t speak for other religious families, but among Franciscans the tendency now is to leave a parish as soon as the laity reaches the middle class status. They move on to parishes in very poor neighborhoods that cannot afford to pay for a parish priest. What happens in this case is that they parish may pay for one priest and the community may assign five or six friars (ordained or not) to serve for the ame salary.

There are still some religious who serve in middle class parishes, but they are becoming less common. It is the responsibility of the laity to promote secular vocations to the priesthood to meet their needs. The idea is that a parish is part of a diocese and it is the reponsibility of those who make up the diocese to cultivate secular priests to serve them. Legally, religious priests do not belong to any dicoese and have no pastoral obligation to those dioceses that have a shortage. The pastoral obligation of religious is to their community first and to the target population that their founders identified when they founded the community. Usually, founders targetted the poor, missions, youth, sick, elderly, and the marginalized members of society.

When you take several thousand religious priests out of the equation, then you are going to have a shortage, especially today. Today the population is booming and spreading. It’s not like the early days of Catholic immigration where most Catholics lived in ghettos where a parish coverd thousands of people. More and more Catholics are more comfortable and moving into the suburbs. This creates a big stress for dioceses, because the population is spread over a greater area. It’s easier to keep a parish where the population is stacked in apartment buildings than when it is spread out over a large suburban area that may be several miles big. That usually requires more than one parish.

In cities like NY, Chicago and Boston, you can have one parish with three priests serving 10,000 families, because they all live in apartment buildings within walking distance. In a suburb, 10,000 families can be spread out over several miles.

We have the decrease in religious presence in parishes, the lower number of men entering the diocesan seminary and the spreading of the population, which all together create a shortage.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Rambling post, apologize in advance. The priest shortage feels so much more real after reading these posts. I’ve always went to school with non-religious, and do not have many religious friends, but this feels different. The Sacraments are vital for my existence to be fully human and fully alive. And I always had a parish to come home to or if none is near me I’ll drive to seek out one no matter what. Yet after reading Br. JR’s post and the posts from those who live in parishes that have merge or have in clusters serviced by a single or pair of priests that has to work so hard, I see that I’ve been living in a box.

I know that before I was smuggled out of the Vietnam back in 1988, there was such a huge interest in the priesthood among young men that many had to be denied. The parishioners would donate both time and efforts their hearts out, but we were still poor. In particular, we could not keep up with the tremendous pressure from the government of Republic of Vietnam, including sporadic persecutions using falsified documents and accusations. Because of this, many seminaries and young men also were smuggled out of the country or used student visas to leave and seek asylum outside of Vietnam. Some formed religious orders with the intention of filling in priest vacancy around the world.

As an aside, I remember one seminarian who had great difficulty becoming a priest. Bless his heart, he kept failing out of seminary here in the states but would return again and again pushing through. He could not pass the ESL exams for many years even though his heart ache to become a priest.

I know less about other countries but I can see similar situations from other third world countries. Yet living here, I am surprised to see priest shortages here in this nation. What Br. JR said really sheds a great deal of light. Except I’m still left with two burning question:
  1. If Catholics are moving up the economic ladder are moving out, would not those same wealthier Catholics be able to support parishes in the same way previous generations could while being poorer?
  2. And why doesn’t the the interest in priesthood increase comparably as wealth and stability increase to accommodate for the spreading of American Catholic households.
 
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