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Are there available online, any simple versions of lauds and/or vespers and/or compline? Most missalettes have such.
Technically correct… but I have always been a vocal critic of the “I’m not obligated so I can do whatever I want” approach. If we really want to pray with the Church, and the LOTH in its approved form is truly the Prayer of the Church, I believe it best to do correctly as approved whatever portion of the Office you choose to do. A non-obligated lay person can certainly pray only one or two of the Hours, but again if we want to truly be praying the Liturgy (Church’s official public prayer) we should follow the approved books.A lay person has no obligation to say the entire office, or even Lauds and/or Vespers. If you’re praying alone at home, you can shorten the Divine Office, if you don’t have much time, such as by omitting a few psalms. Whatever works best for you.
www.divineoffice.org has all the prayers of the day and you can easily chose what you want to say if you are unable to say all the prayers of the morning, evening, or night.
A monthly subscription of $5 (I believe, but I could be mistaken) is required for “Give us this Day.” The “Give us this Day” prayer booklet has a much shorter morning/evening prayer than the Liturgy of the Hours, and it includes the readings/prayers from the Mass of the day, and a daily reflection. Sadly there is no night time prayer in that booklet. You can also see these prayers and reflections online on their website for a price, but its much cheaper if you don’t want to purchase the physical book.
I agree. While we have no obligation to say the entire LOTH (though I do…), if we want to participate in the Liturgy of the hours, then it needs to be, well, liturgical. That means following the rubrics and schema of the hour, at an appropriate time for that hour, exercising whatever legitimate options the rubrics allow.Technically correct… but I have always been a vocal critic of the “I’m not obligated so I can do whatever I want” approach. If we really want to pray with the Church, and the LOTH in its approved form is truly the Prayer of the Church, I believe it best to do correctly as approved whatever portion of the Office you choose to do. A non-obligated lay person can certainly pray only one or two of the Hours, but again if we want to truly be praying the Liturgy (Church’s official public prayer) we should follow the approved books.
I’m not advocating to shorten it or to change it around. I certainly try to say the entire Hour and not omit anything. Only rarely have I ever had to shorten my prayer (mainly because I had unexpected situations pop up and was unable to finish the hour in its entirety). I even try to follow the General Instruction, when at home, such as standing during the Canticle and Gospel, or doing the sign of the cross on the lips when saying “Lord, open my lips.” However, there were times, as I said, were I had to shorten it because of things outside of my control, and I don’t believe I did anything wrong here.Technically correct… but I have always been a vocal critic of the “I’m not obligated so I can do whatever I want” approach. If we really want to pray with the Church, and the LOTH in its approved form is truly the Prayer of the Church, I believe it best to do correctly as approved whatever portion of the Office you choose to do.
That’s just the thing. If you just say a Psalm or Canticle, it’s no longer joining the Church in prayer, but is rather private, devotional prayer, which still a praiseworthy and meritorious act. If it’s all you can do, it’s all you can do.I’m not advocating to shorten it or to change it around. I certainly try to say the entire Hour and not omit anything. Only rarely have I ever had to shorten my prayer (mainly because I had unexpected situations pop up and was unable to finish the hour in its entirety). I even try to follow the General Instruction, when at home, such as standing during the Canticle and Gospel, or doing the sign of the cross on the lips when saying “Lord, open my lips.” However, there were times, as I said, were I had to shorten it because of things outside of my control, and I don’t believe I did anything wrong here.
If someone has a really tight schedule and wanted to join the Church in prayer, I believe it would be much better for them to say just the Canticle and maybe a Psalm, than to not pray at all, or rush through the Hour to get it done as fast as possible, with no reverence.
I agree, so long as we understand that a prayer from the heart is worth far more than one from the head, and that closely adhering to formality does not necessarily imply that one is praying well.Technically correct… but I have always been a vocal critic of the “I’m not obligated so I can do whatever I want” approach.
A lay person has no obligation to say the entire office, or even Lauds and/or Vespers. If you’re praying alone at home, you can shorten the Divine Office, if you don’t have much time, such as by omitting a few psalms. Whatever works best for you.
www.divineoffice.org has all the prayers of the day and you can easily chose what you want to say if you are unable to say all the prayers of the morning, evening, or night.
A monthly subscription of $5 (I believe, but I could be mistaken) is required for “Give us this Day.” The “Give us this Day” prayer booklet has a much shorter morning/evening prayer than the Liturgy of the Hours, and it includes the readings/prayers from the Mass of the day, and a daily reflection. Sadly there is no night time prayer in that booklet. You can also see these prayers and reflections online on their website for a price, but its much cheaper if you don’t want to purchase the physical book.
While Give us this Day and Magnificat helps promote daily prayer, it does not equate to the Liturgy. It does not join the praise sung by the church around the throne of the Lamb, liturgically speaking.Our family prays the morning and evening prayers in Magnificat magazine every day, and I do the night prayer as well.
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Yes, certainly we should be praying always from the heart.I agree, so long as we understand that a prayer from the heart is worth far more than one from the head, and that closely adhering to formality does not necessarily imply that one is praying well.
IMHO, we laity need to balance our approach to the LOTH, and we should be neither legalistic about it, and neither should we be utterly laxist and do as we please.
Of course, I consider it rather unfair to tell someone to avoid a form of prayer simply because their doing so is not liturgical.If you do not want resort to that, then do not pray the LOTH.
I never said it was.While Give us this Day and Magnificat helps promote daily prayer, it does not equate to the Liturgy. It does not join the praise sung by the church around the throne of the Lamb, liturgically speaking.
If you want simplified LOTH, you may omit some parts, but it ceases to be the liturgy of the Church. If you do not want resort to that, then do not pray the LOTH. The laity are not obliged to pray that anyway.
First of all, liturgical prayer is above all public, even if prayed in private, just as a privately-said Mass remains public prayer.Of course, I consider it rather unfair to tell someone to avoid a form of prayer simply because their doing so is not liturgical.
The merit and efficacy of the LOTH is of course rooted in the authority of the Church’s intercession, but it is not unimportant to consider the interior disposition of the one who is praying as well.
Someone who is praying the LOTH, even in an abbreviated form, out of a sincere love for Jesus will of course be pleasing to Him — and He will give far more graces than we can imagine, because He is generous and utterly in love with us. Let’s not undermine that or discourage people from pursuing God in sincerity and in truth. Let’s also remember that little things done out of great love are incredibly meritorious.
You have a point. But although, as mentioned previously, we are to pray it in the form approved by the church. You cannot just simply shorten or omit something that is formal liturgy (unless indicated). Maybe, if you have no time, recite a well known psalm and a Gloria Patri in place of omitting some parts of the LOTH.Of course, I consider it rather unfair to tell someone to avoid a form of prayer simply because their doing so is not liturgical.
The merit and efficacy of the LOTH is of course rooted in the authority of the Church’s intercession, but it is not unimportant to consider the interior disposition of the one who is praying as well.
Someone who is praying the LOTH, even in an abbreviated form, out of a sincere love for Jesus will of course be pleasing to Him — and He will give far more graces than we can imagine, because He is generous and utterly in love with us. Let’s not undermine that or discourage people from pursuing God in sincerity and in truth. Let’s also remember that little things done out of great love are incredibly meritorious.
Thank you for this ^^^^^. I have the Christian Prayer which I use to pray Evening Prayer or Night Prayer. I do my best to pray it correctly, and quite honestly there are times when it’s more of a “I have to pray now” rather than a “It is time to join the Church in prayer” but I always feel more at peace when done regardless of my attitude when starting.First of all, liturgical prayer is above all public, even if prayed in private, just as a privately-said Mass remains public prayer.
In neither case it is permissible to leave out elements unless the rubrics specify them as optional, nor is it permissible to change anything, again unless the rubrics specify that there are other options.
That said, concerning prayer from the heart, I think monastics take an entirely different approach. The difference between a monk praying the Divine Office is that he builds his life around the Divine Office. For the laity, the opposite is true, we take those hours of the Divine Office which can fit our lives without causing us to fail in our primary duty, the care of our families and all that is associated with that (e.g. our jobs). The liturgy requires only two things of the laity: that we pray the Office that we can pray, in accordance with the rubrics, and two, that we respect the verity of the hour (i.e. we don’t pray Lauds at dinnertime). The rest is up to us. It’s not too much to ask really. We don’t even have to pray it every single day.
However, yes, there is a mechanistic element to it. The monks pray it out of obligation. The reality for a monk, is that some days his heart is in it, and some days, it isn’t. This is normal. They’re just human like the rest of us. The beauty of doing the LOTH on a regular basis, no matter how many Hours we can fit into our day, is that like the monks it becomes a prayer mechanism that with time better disposes our hearts to prayer. It becomes a habit. I can’t tell you the number of times I went into my small oratory to pray the LOTH when feeling down, anxious, grumpy, and just “not into God at the moment” where the praying of the Office had a transformational effect. Disposition is a two-way communication and God senses when we need Him to touch our hearts even if we don’t at the moment recognize it ourselves.
The LOTH on a daily basis is like water flowing against a rock, it sculpts us with time. Suddenly in a situation a psalm or scripture verse will pop in our heads that makes sense of the situation, appeases us, or shows us the way. The LOTH is a form of lectio divina; it takes time and slowly drills its way into our psyches.
Like the monks, nobody who prays the LOTH on a daily basis will always be doing so with the appropriate interior disposition every single time. Our lives are far too messy for that. However on many days, our hearts will be indeed be on the same frequency as God’s, and the whole thing will suddenly make a lot of sense, and one finally understands how monks can drag themselves to choir day after day after day, and in the case of the local abbey, 7 times each day.
Yes, private devotional prayer is laudable and necessary. The monks who pray 7 times a day also take time to pray privately, in their own way, during the day, something that can be done even when working (and even working itself, done for God, is prayer). But liturgical prayer is on a different plane altogether. It is laudable in its own right regardless of our disposition of the moment, and eventually the prayer itself provides the necessary disposition, often as I mentioned, by complete surprise.