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I’d like to know of any official Church documents that discuss appropriate clothes for liturgies (or for modesty in general).

This one from the USCCB touches on the matter briefly (page 15):

usccb.org/dpp/Eucharist.pdf

Know of any others?
 
This site ‘CatholicModesty’ has some good quotes. Colleen Hammond’s book ‘Dressing with Dignity’ has some too.

Modesty is one of those battleground areas where we’ve lost most of the field right now and there isn’t much fight left save with those who know what the fight is about.

So high and low, just like we find priests who say, “Scapular what?” the ground has almost all been taken. So… we hold what we have and take it back as God wills. 🙂

This is what I will say, based on the official explicit and implicit standards and what I take them to mean and result in.

Men should wear pants, not jeans, not shorts, to mass. Men in general (not just to mass) should wear pants, because if you set a more formal standard, there is greater respect generally.

Never sneakers or sandles (yes you shore people, no sandles).

Men should not wear t-shirts, and absolutely not wear anything with slogans or pictures or brand advertisements to mass. They should wear collared shirts. They are at their best in full suits, black.

Women should wear skirts that are ankle length. At a minimum if not, they should be eight inches, enough below the knee so that sitting and moving around there is nothing revealed and room to spare for that. If they are in a situation where there will be some danger, wear something under the skirt too.

No pants instead of a skirt. Ever. No jeans, ever.

The best skirt is something not too eye catching, a basic solid color or close to it is fine too. The blouse should be more formal than not, and not cling, especially to the bosom, it should hang loosely off. The sleeves should be half to full length, and not quarter length if it can be at all helped, because too much bare arm is in fact somewhat less modest. Quarter length is always the last choice, as an exception.

One main reason spaghetti straps are not allowed, besides all they show, is that when leaning and moving around, they can reveal too much even more. So no bare backs, stomachs, spaghetti straps, clingy clothing.

This minimum dress standard should not be much deviated from even outside of mass, save perhaps more color and patterns allowed. This is not more modesty, but it is allowed to attract through natural beauty as long as it is not carnal, and it is acknowledged that this is to a degree superficial and not what anyone should be primarily focusing on in such matters.

In other words, modesty is working within these realms. Ribbons, frills are fine for the dresses as long as not very much, in other words, modest, etc.

Nothing see through, so that you can see the underwear or person underneath because the fabric is so thin. This is obvious. If it is not yet, make it so.

For men, very much jewelery is always bad, cut this out, it is not allowed save for royalty and bishops. We’re at our most modest without jewelery, women too, if you must wear something wear only one thing, not more, and hopefully it is religious and attracts more attention to God than you and it.

Men should avoid overly feminine clothing, and women overly masculine clothing this too, is obvious though not for some, make it so and pray, God wills it.

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I appreciate the posting of these guidelines.

Shouldn’t we rethink sandals? What about our brothers Benedict et als who wear sandals?

Attire such as required for visiting the Bascilica in Rome could be a model for all of us.
 
Lol. Well habits are an exception, they are their own rule. 🙂

I think minimum standards that worldly tourists will tolerate are not enough for people who love the virtue to be truly modest and reclaim modesty in the public sphere. These are not the days when Rome enforces anything difficult if it can help it, we only have to look at history for that and see it has all been left up to the individual to choose virtue or vice with little or no additional disciplinary penalty. 🙂

Ah I forgot the two fingers bredth and hat rules. Well, they’re up there and in there somewhere in the websites. I didn’t mean to be quite comprehensive, but it is fairly. 🙂
 
I realize that the service isn’t really about the people, but I do admit there are times where I think maybe we should humor people who want to be a spectacle.

When the “lady” shows up showing off way too much, maybe all the old men should remove any dentures and such and just huddle around her and stare. Isn’t that really what she wants, to use her sex to attract men. So humor her. Give her the attention she is calling for, and maybe a bit more.

When parents advertise their young daughters, just ask them how much they want for her, and are sales final or are they interested in just renting her for an hour or so?

Willingness to do such things generally means you never will have to. I told my children that if they wore something inappropriate, they better be prepared to see their father in a matching outfit. And that didn’t extend just to church.

I then painted the picture of me in a thong and that was pretty much that. Never had any problems in that department.
 
I realize that the service isn’t really about the people, but I do admit there are times where I think maybe we should humor people who want to be a spectacle. …

Willingness to do such things generally means you never will have to. I told my children that if they wore something inappropriate, they better be prepared to see their father in a matching outfit. And that didn’t extend just to church.

I then painted the picture of me in a thong and that was pretty much that. Never had any problems in that department.
That is classic! And you’re right: what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. I can just imagine the looks of horror on their faces! :rotfl:
 
I just started the RCIA program at my local parish. When I attended Mass there the first time I was actually surprised at how casual some folks were…especially teens. I realize the T-back or racer-back tops with bra straps showing are “in style” but I really didn’t think it was appropriate. At least one mom, who was dressed similarly to her daughter, had a little “mini-jacket” (not sure what they’re called) that covered her back & shoulders.

I’ve also been surprised to see strapless gowns being worn at Catholic weddings by the bride and her bridesmaids.
 
Shin, I kind of think you are going a bit too far in your prescription of what a people should wear. I gathered these together to post on the Traditional Dress thread. The folks at each of these sites are pretty conservative in their ideas and none of them says no sandals. the color suits should be or the colors, patterns or precise lengths for womens skirts.
I am a conservative myself regarding dress. As a woman I choose not to wear trousers/jeans ever. My skirts are all below my knees, and I veil at mass and at prayer. But I cannot say no ribbons, lace, etc on womens clothing in general or what color they should wear.

Please note: No criticism is intended by this post. It is just a gleaning of information I found in several newsletters and such. Each of the paragraphs is from a TLM or FSSP Parish. All in communion with Rome. No sede vacantists or LeFevre parishes are involved. Should you participate in a Mass at these churches and others like them this is the pretty normal dress code…

St Michael’s FSSP Church Scranton Pa: “Men and women dress intelligently and modestly: no shorts, T-shirts, jeans, short skirts, bare midriffs, bare shoulders or plunging necklines and no tight-fitting clothing of any kind. Ladies of all ages are encouraged to wear some sort of head covering”

Why should a woman wear a head covering or veil in church? Not to be praised, not to go along, not for tradition’s sake, not to stand out in the crowd, not because you say or I say or anybody says…But because she loves our Eucharistic Lord Jesus and it is another small sacrifice she may offer for her soul’s sake and for the sake of many souls who have no one to offer for them. Amen. (Sr Patricia Therese, OPB

Mater Misericordiae Mission, which celebrates the Tridentine Mass every Sunday at St. Thomas the Apostle Parish, welcomed a new pastor July 26. ……………….“Women are attired in skirts that fall below their knees. A table stationed near the entrance to the sanctuary holds a basket of spare chapel veils along with a small sign requesting that women “wear a veil while in church out of respect for Our Lord”

Bishop John Yanta of the Catholic diocese of Amarillo, Texas, has published a pastoral letter on modesty in dress, especially at Sunday Mass, a subject that inevitably arouses strong reactions even in conservative circles……………”The FSSP not only adhere to the pre-1960’s liturgical practices including having the Mass in Latin, but require women to follow the traditional practice of covering their heads and forbid men to wear shorts in church.”

Welcome to Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Latin Mass Community.
We ask all visitors and all parishioners to please abide by our dress codes. For women, dresses or skirts must be below the knee. Please no shorts, pants or sleeveless, lowcut, tight, or revealing clothing. Head coverings are highly recommended. For men, no shorts, t-shirts, tank-tops, or jeans.

Here in the Washington D.C. area, the customary dress is not quite so restrictive but similar principles should apply. Let three words guide your clothing selection: neat, clean, and modest. Out of respect for the Eucharist women should not wear plunging necklines, spaghetti straps or strapless tops, nor should they display bare midriffs. Extremely short skirts or shorts, or tight pants are also inappropriate. Any clothing that calls attention to the wearer and away from the Mass is disrespectful. ….Tank tops, frayed shorts, and T-shirts that seem suited for the beach do not honor God.

Since 1983, the Code of Canon Law has not required women to cover their head in church. However, a growing number of women are finding that wearing a chapel veil or mantilla is a helpful form of personal piety. The veil symbolizes the woman’s role as a humble servant of Christ and a woman of the Church. It helps her to approach the Eucharist with humility and reverence. In most parishes in the D.C. area, only a handful of women will wear a head covering at any given Mass, but it is an acceptable practice.

If you attend Mass in the Extraordinary Form, also known as the Traditional Latin Mass, the dress is customarily more formal. Men should wear a tie and many will also be wearing a suit or sports jacket. Women wear skirts or dresses and usually wear some sort of head covering.
 
“A dress cannot be called decent which is cut deeper than two fingers breadth under the pit of the throat; which does not cover the arms at least to the elbows; and scarcely reaches a bit beyond the knees. Furthermore, dresses of transparent materials are improper.”

Standard of women’s dress issued by Cardinal Pompili, Cardinal Vicar of Pope Pius XI

This statement has never been contradicted by Rome as far as I know, and personally I think it’s a great guide to use when trying to determine what’s modest and what isn’t.
 
We do not hae much trouble in our church with this. Even though it is frequently 100 degrees and higher this time of year. Our pastor turns the air conditioner so high that even those modestly dressed shiver!
 
I’ve also been surprised to see strapless gowns being worn at Catholic weddings by the bride and her bridesmaids.
Look at the websites of the bridal dress merchants some time. I don’t know what it is like now, but the time I looked – I was asked to be a bridesmaid – there were something like 10 out of 125 styles that didn’t have all or most of the shoulder totally exposed. There were matching shawls on the strapless or spaghetti-strapped ones, if you were lucky. Out of those ten others, most of them looked designed for a certain Temple in Utah. The labels on those may as well have read: I’m Your Punishment For Never Learning to Sew, Princess!

I think we can thank our old friend and nemesis, Fashion. The old bag is probably still furious that spandex killed her evil henchman, the girdle. 😉 😃
 
Hello everybody 🙂

I just have a small question here.

I am 17 and lives in Shanghai. I attend daily Mass in my parish church. I have recently became much interested in the TLM and liturgical stuff, and am trying to know and follow the standard of clothing when attending a Mass.

now, I have never wore shorts to a Mass, and I have avoided wearing t-shirts with images or big logos on. After reading the thread, I wonder if I should stop wearing jeans to Mass? Usually I go to Mass in jeans (as “formal” as jeans can be) and polo shirts.

The problem is that I have only one formal trouser in my closet besides jeans, and I have only wore it once for my prom. I have no problem wearing a dress shirt with that trouser on Sundays. But what do I do with the rest of the week? Do I need to change before and after weekday Mass?😊

Thanks
 
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