Should 1st Communion be for the Children of Seldom Practicing Catholics???

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WhiteDove:
No, I am not in any official capicity counting people. I usually close my eyes after receiving communion.

I haven’t voted yet on the poll because I’m undecided.
I close my eyes too. This is one of the best habits I ever developed.

I hope you vote to receive all children for Holy Communion. It isn’t their fault.

If there is one small chance that they can recieve at anytime don’t deny them.

The number of 1st communicants from my group in rural NYS in 1969 who still are practicing Catholics is very small. I’d have to take the photo out to be sure but think we were about 40 kids. I am aware that only 2 are still practicing Catholics. The kids didn’t all fall away at once. It was a gradual process over the years. This darn thing happened for my children. History repeated itself before my very eyes…very strange for me to witness.

The background is there and perhaps one day they will return to the flock.

You are trying to solve a problem but are taking a wrong approach. I don’t think Jesus was exclusive or have I missed something? We have one life to live. When it is over I imagine a little more exclusitivity…you know the sheep and goat business.
 
We got a new priest last year. The previous one told parents they had to come to church for awhile before he would allow them the receive any of the sacraments including first communion. The new one believes we should not impede people when they respond to God’s call. As he puts it, we should not second guess God and His call to people.

I understand the first way of thinking. But I agree with the second.

I feel the second better encompasses Christian compassion and Christ’s directive to keep not the little children from Him.

But it is also why I voted we should welcome them, but I do not think we should actively seek them out. Let God do the calling. By not seek them out I mean have a program ran from the church. I think all Catholic Christians have the responsibility to know when communion classes or CCD classes are held and invite the children of lapsed Catholics. (They are on Wednesdays; here is a bulletin.etc)

God Bless,
Maria
 
Speaking from personal experience, if my parents had stopped attending Mass after my first communion, I never would’ve gone near a Catholic Church again, probably to this day. I found Mass extremely boring and tedious, notwithstanding the honey-flavored hosts, kiddie masses and all the other hoo-ha our oh-so-progressive priest experimented with when I was growing up.

Luckily, my dad told me, “As long as you’re putting your feet under my table and laying your sweet head to sleep under my roof, you’re going to Mass every Sunday.” And I did, too.

Thanks, dad. I miss ya. 😦
 
According to the following provisions of Canon Law, children who have reached the age of reason cannot be denied the sacraments if they request them. They are prepared just like an adult who is seeking to be admitted to the Catholic Church. It is the responsiblity of the parish priest to make sure they are properly prepared.

Can. 842 §1 A person who has not received baptism cannot validly be admitted to the other sacraments.

§2 The sacraments of baptism, confirmation and the blessed Eucharist so complement one another that all three are required for full Christian initiation.

Can. 843 §1 Sacred ministers may not deny the sacraments to those who opportunely ask for them, are properly disposed and are not prohibited by law from receiving them.

§2 According to their respective offices in the Church, both pastors of souls and all other members of Christ’s faithful have a duty to ensure that those who ask for the sacraments are prepared for their reception. This should be done through proper evangelization and catechetical instruction, in accordance with the norms laid down by the competent authority.

Can. 851 The celebration of baptism should be properly prepared. Accordingly:

1° an adult who intends to receive baptism is to be admitted to the catechumenate and, as far as possible, brought through the various stages to sacramental initiation, in accordance with the rite of initiation as adapted by the Episcopal Conference and with the particular norms issued by it;

2° the parents of a child who is to be baptized, and those who are to undertake the office of sponsors, are to be suitably instructed on the meaning of this sacrament and the obligations attaching to it. The parish priest is to see to it that either he or others duly prepare the parents, by means of pastoral advice and indeed by prayer together; a number of families might be brought together for this purpose and, where possible, each family visited.

Can. 852 §1 The provisions of the canons on adult baptism apply to all those who, being no longer infants, have reached the use of reason.

§2 One who is incapable of personal responsibility is regarded as an infant even in regard to baptism.

Can. 912 Any baptized person who is not forbidden by law may and must be admitted to holy communion.

Can. 913 §1 For holy communion to be administered to children, it is required that they have sufficient knowledge and be accurately prepared, so that according to their capacity they understand what the mystery of Christ means, and are able to receive the Body of the Lord with faith and devotion.

§2 The blessed Eucharist may, however, be administered to children in danger of death if they can distinguish the Body of Christ from ordinary food and receive communion with reverence.

Can. 914 It is primarily the duty of parents and of those who take their place, as it is the duty of the parish priest, to ensure that children who have reached the use of reason are properly prepared and, having made their sacramental confession, are nourished by this divine food as soon as possible. It is also the duty of the parish priest to see that children who have not reached the use of reason, or whom he has judged to be insufficiently disposed, do not come to holy communion.
 
wow so judgemental!!! Have we considered the fact that these parents may be ashamed, embarrassed, worried etc. Let the little children come to Me, do not impede them,for the kingdom of the Lord is theirs. These small miracle workers will bring their parents back, don’t you get that. It works, God works in mysterious ways. I have a friend who has a daughter who is 11 and is not baptised. It is my mission right now to get them both into church. I took her daughter with me on Good Friday to the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy and then Stations of the cross. Half way through she leaned over and whispered to me"Does this happen every Friday. I answered her that Good Friday was a very special day and God has given it to us as a gift. Her response was"Thank God I was here tonite then!!" Out of the mouths of babes!!! Let us be shepards and bring the flock back. Maybe more of these people would be in church if they felt as though they were more welcome. I say bring them on, let the Lord do his work!! welcome them all!!

I shall be a defender of Mary
 
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maryj:
wow so judgemental!!! Have we considered the fact that these parents may be ashamed, embarrassed, worried etc. Let the little children come to Me, do not impede them,for the kingdom of the Lord is theirs. These small miracle workers will bring their parents back, don’t you get that. It works, God works in mysterious ways. I have a friend who has a daughter who is 11 and is not baptised. It is my mission right now to get them both into church. I took her daughter with me on Good Friday to the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy and then Stations of the cross. Half way through she leaned over and whispered to me"Does this happen every Friday. I answered her that Good Friday was a very special day and God has given it to us as a gift. Her response was"Thank God I was here tonite then!!" Out of the mouths of babes!!! Let us be shepards and bring the flock back. Maybe more of these people would be in church if they felt as though they were more welcome. I say bring them on, let the Lord do his work!! welcome them all!!

I shall be a defender of Mary
Thanks for your beautiful post… 🙂
 
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MariaG:
The previous one told parents they had to come to church for awhile before he would allow them the receive any of the sacraments including first communion. The new one believes we should not impede people when they respond to God’s call.
I guess my ignorance is going to hang out here (I’m a convert). So, how in the world can one keep a child away from communion? After they are a certain age, wouldn’t it be assumed that they could receive, and so they would only have to go up and receive? I mean, I can see how one could withhold confirmation, but Eucharist?

Is this thread about the kids receiving communion or about having a special ceremony with white dresses and whatnot for the first reception?
 
As a First Communion teacher who deals with this very issue, I think the Church should actively reach out to these children. When I have these children in class I work especially hard to teach them their First Communion Catechism. I talk to the parents and tell them how special their child is: how they seem to have a special love for Christ. When it comes to the Ten Commandments, I talk about how it is a mortal sin to miss Mass without a good reason. These children will inevitably bring the fact up about their parents not going to Mass. I calmly explain to them that it is not a sin for them if no one takes them to Mass. However, when they CAN bring themselves, they MUST go. I then tell them to pray for their parents and others who don’t attend Mass and explain that they are missing something that brings them closer to Christ. If one of these children attend class regularly and seem to learn their lessons well, I will choose them to represent our class in the May crowning. They always come and the parents bring them. The parents then stay and say the Rosary and listen to a little talk from Father. The seeds are being planted!!!

God Bless
Giannwannabe
 
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I guess my ignorance is going to hang out here (I’m a convert). So, how in the world can one keep a child away from communion? After they are a certain age, wouldn’t it be assumed that they could receive, and so they would only have to go up and receive? I mean, I can see how one could withhold confirmation, but Eucharist?
Is this thread about the kids receiving communion or about having a special ceremony with white dresses and whatnot for the first reception?
Hi Pug,
Part of being Catholic is placing yourself under the authority of the Church. On a personal level, that means your parish Priest.

The Priest sets the policy for baptism, communion and confirmation under the guidelines of the Catholic Church. But each priest can “tweak” things.

But in all churches, there is an expectation of education before reception of first communion. There then is a nice ceremony for the first time, but it is preceded by months of preparation on the part of the children and parents.

The Catholic Church takes very seriously, “Those who receive unworthily bring judgement upon themselves.” To make sure no one does this, the Catholic Church requires education. Each parish can vary slightly, but educating a child before the reception is required in every parish I know of.

So I guess the answer to your question “after a certain age can’t they just go up?” The answer is no. Just as you had to take classes to convert, so must a child take classes to learn about the Real Presence of Christ. The importance is then usually *emphasized *with the cute dresses and ceremony.

God Bless,
Maria
 
Initiation sacraments…baptism, first communion and confirmation are very often opportunities to catechize parents and possibly interest them in being more active in the church.

Children must NEVER be punished for the “sins” of their parents…No child should ever be turned away from the sacraments…especially if he/she is properly prepared for them…as all children who receive First Communion are.

Jesus admonished his disciples for trying to keep the little ones from him…We do not want to put ourselves in that position, do we?
 
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pnewton:
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However, it is not unreasonable to have a minimum requirement that the child atttend Mass during sacramental preparation, thus requiring an parent to bring them during that time.
in parishes I have been in where this is the policy, parents more often drop the child off, rather than bringing them to Mass. Heartbreaking.
 
Catholic Heart:
Initiation sacraments…baptism, first communion and confirmation are very often opportunities to catechize parents and possibly interest them in being more active in the church.
Oh, by all means let’s use the children. Everyone else does, from politicians to school boards eager for more funds, to retailers who insist on having Teachers’ Conventions, because they are money making times. Has my earlier post (#4, I think) fallen only on deaf ears? :mad:

Is it any wonder that the results of education in this country are consistently dropping, when our respect for the child as a human being and Child of God is nothing more than an easily mouthed platitude?

People, please read what you have been writing. If, indeed, you have so little respect for the child, can’t you at least have some respect for the Real Presence? :crying:

Where in Scripture does Our Lord say to get the children to come to him, so that He can use them to reach their wayward parents? How duplicitous can you be??? :banghead:

Anna
 
Sure why not, only 15% of the Catholics actually attend mass , down from 75% after Vatican II-so if you look at the statistics, and deny the children of non practicing Catholics Communion and other “milestones”, then who would there to actually receive communion at communion time? Besides, think of all of the wonderful gifts little Johnnie and Sally might actually be giving up!

Lets be real now-the church RCIA program is a joke-my nephew received his first communion without ever having made a confession. The priest danced around with a bagel telling all of us that this was soone to be the body of christ after he said some 'magical prayers over it". And when communion was given out, everybody got up to recieve, even those that had not seen the inside of a church in 10 years.
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WhiteDove:
What do you think about First Communion for the children of those who really don’t attend church?
 
Lets be real now-the church RCIA program is a joke-my nephew received his first communion without ever having made a confession. The priest danced around with a bagel telling all of us that this was soone to be the body of christ after he said some 'magical prayers over it". And when communion was given out, everybody got up to recieve, even those that had not seen the inside of a church in 10 years.
Dead, dead on. My wife and I are in a serious quandary because our parish requires TWO years of utterly brain-dead nonsense for communion prep. (What bulldog said above. . .extend it out for two years. . .nightmare. A total waste of time, in fact, counterproductive).

There need to be some threads on the inability/unwillingness of American bishops to properly SHEPHERD this flock.
 
My RCIA program was not a joke. I was fortunate to have a priest who made RCIA a priority and personally passed on the faith. Since he is orthodox and forthright, all who are new to the faith get a good grounding in it. I regret that others of you have had less than stellat experiences with your sacramental preparatin.
 
Maria,

I’ve been too concerned about the pope to come back and answer you. 😦 I agree that there is an obligation for the parish and parents to provide good preparation for the child for sacraments. I would think, however, that a priest could admit a child to the Eucharist based on his firm knowledge that the child is prepared and he could do it without the ceremony. For example, I think it would be sad to make a well-prepared child wait a whole year if they missed their first communion date because of illness. I think the child who is ready should be admitted promptly.

I don’t really have experience with the ceremony, but I would hope it is really for the kids and not the parents. What matters is that they receive Christ, that is what is special about the day, not the ceremony. Perhaps having the ceremony helps those lukewarm parents feel motivatied to provide their children the opportunity to receive at least that one time. Just as long as it doesn’t turn into lots of kids receiving who really don’t care about Christ, just because the parents want the ceremony for their kids. I’m afraid that happens, based on my limited experience. I hope I’m wrong.
 
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Pug:
I agree that there is an obligation for the parish and parents to provide good preparation for the child for sacraments. I would think, however, that a priest could admit a child to the Eucharist based on his firm knowledge that the child is prepared and he could do it without the ceremony. For example, I think it would be sad to make a well-prepared child wait a whole year if they missed their first communion date because of illness. I think the child who is ready should be admitted promptly.
My question is, why are we allowing a child to attend Catechism with non-mass attending parents? Why is the trend to have “meetings” with parents responsible for the teaching of the Sacramental prep when we know that they were not taught themselves?
This happened at my old parish. The DRE had no problem with kids being dropped off and the parent’s avoiding Mass like a kids soccer game. I was on the Education Committee, but couldn’t understand the thought process.
Why would we set these kids up to sin? If we teach them that not attending Mass is a sin, then aren’t we setting them up? They can’t drive themselves to Mass.
One parish in our area has sign in sheets at Mass. If one does not attend mass, the child is not allowed in CCD. It keeps them innocent if their parents are not supporting them at home and yet gets the parents to put in the effort if they want the ceremony.

Maybe I am totally wrong, but if the parents are not ready to be Catholic, the children should be allowed to remain innocent.
 
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WhiteDove:
What do you think about First Communion for the children of those who really don’t attend church?
i feel if they are Baptized Catholic, and the parents desire that they make their First Communion, I see good enough reason to help bring the children more fully in the fold… also a great opportunity to maybe evangelize to the parents a little more…

i lean strongly in the direction of not standing in the way of a healing if not magical Eucharist…
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
Why would we set these kids up to sin? If we teach them that not attending Mass is a sin, then aren’t we setting them up? .

Maybe I am totally wrong, but if the parents are not ready to be Catholic, the children should be allowed to remain innocent.
Just my point, netmil(name removed by moderator). Yet, look at the number of posters who are willing to set those children up to sin in the hope of reaching the parents through them.

Many perhaps don’t have much experience with children. But the pious willingness to use the chldren in this manner is nothing less than exploiting them and as such is morally indefensible.

:banghead:

Anna
 
Anna Elizabeth:
Just my point, netmil(name removed by moderator). Yet, look at the number of posters who are willing to set those children up to sin in the hope of reaching the parents through them.

Many perhaps don’t have much experience with children. But the pious willingness to use the chldren in this manner is nothing less than exploiting them and as such is morally indefensible.

:banghead:

Anna
Exactly!
 
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