Should a Catholic Bishop Restrict Catholic School Kid's Reading?

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Fascinating. Such power given to one man with no checks and balanced, and not even a woman’s (name removed by moderator)ut in the decision making, just an older man. :rolleyes:
Maybe you should take time to visit your Diocese, see how it runs. Meet the staff and volunteers who spend their lives assisting the Bishop in this great ministry. The hours of prayer and discernment that go into every action.

Good idea to know about something before you mock it.
 
Hi there,

Well I go to Catholic high school, and I found out today that our bishop told the librarians that they couldn’t let the kids read the Twilight saga, Harry Potter, or the Golden Compass anymore. I can understand that the Golden Compass promotes athiesm, Harry Potter promotes witcraft, and Twilight talks about vampires and wearwolves. What troubles me is how we aren’t allowed to read those books, but the library is permitted to carry the DaVinci Code, Books on the Occult, Books promoting premarital sex and abortion, and much more.

Do you think a Catholic Bishop should do this?

-Jeanne
I don’t think book banning in any library is healthy, period. Its a form of censorship and considering the current political climate in Washington, with FOCA and the (un)Fairness Doctrine, I’d be leary about subjective determinations that certain fictional books are off-limits. I can see a school library banning pornography, etc. . but other books? Why not trust that we’ve set a faith foundation that allows our children to understand the premises of these books go against church teachings, but they can still enjoy the messages (Harry Potter has a lot of good vs. evil messages—and I have a very strict Catholic friend who will stand, in line, with the kids when new books come out at midnight–and she does not have kids this age at all!)

My daughter reads Harry Potter books like crazy—even done book reports on them for a Catholic school.

The Bishop should find bigger things to worry about–like keeping Catholic schools OPEN, not giving more reason for people to judge Catholics as “intolerant”
 
Maybe one bishop’s subjective opinion is not all that is required to determine what is suitable for teenagers, but what is suitable for a Catholic school library in his diocese. Teenagers have parents to determine what is suitable for them to read.
Exactly! I understand the Golden Compass but I believe he is out line anyway. The Bishop obviously has some misinformation but he has the right to do so in the school lib I guess. However that might not even be the case if the Dioceses isn’t funding the school… who knows.

If they did that at my parish though I would just go buy copies to make sure my kids had a chance to read them. I don’t believe in banning books nor burning them etc… this is not the 3rd Reich. I doubt our Pope would approve personally because he lived through that type of control in his youth and was/is a scholar as well.

The key is to promote discussion of those books and why they do or do not agree with Church teachings and what value could be gained from them. Supression will just make the youth want to read them more and w/o someone to discuss them with.

It’s not about control, it’s about grace…

Joe
 
Fascinating. Such power given to one man with no checks and balanced, and not even a woman’s (name removed by moderator)ut in the decision making, just an older man. :rolleyes:
Do you want to have a discussion here, or do you just have an axe to grind with the Catholic Church? If it’s the latter, why not start your own thread on how the RCC is dictatorial and misogynistic? :rolleyes:

FWIW, I don’t believe the bishop should ban books, but it is certainly within his authority. And I can’t stand this sort of trolling in otherwise civilized threads.
 
Do you want to have a discussion here, or do you just have an axe to grind with the Catholic Church? If it’s the latter, why not start your own thread on how the RCC is dictatorial and misogynistic? :rolleyes:

FWIW, I don’t believe the bishop should ban books, but it is certainly within his authority. And I can’t stand this sort of trolling in otherwise civilized threads.
It seems that I’m not the only who is against one man deciding what books teenagers should read and which books he will ban and censor.
 
What if the Catholic Bishop is senile, mentally ill, ignorant or has an agenda? Shouldn’t there be checks and balances in place, rather than one man making all of the decisions?
Nope. That’s the way God designed things.
There are Catholic Bishops who deny that the holocaust ever took place for crying out loud.
There are not “Catholic Bishops” denying the holocaust ever took place. Bishop Williamson is an SSPX Bishop. He is not a Bishop in the Catholic Church.
Would you want that guy deciding which books to ban?
From the library of the Catholic school he oversees, certainly he has that right.

If parents want their kids to read Harry Potter, they can get it from the public library. Although, they should certainly discern the reasons behind the disallowed books and consider that it is imprudent to allow their children to read them.
 
It seems that I’m not the only who is against one man deciding what books teenagers should read and which books he will ban and censor.
Every school library in this country uses criteria for what books it allows or doesn’t allow. In the case of public schools, the school board determines what books go in and what books may be pulled out if deemed inappropriate. In private schools it is the board or the pastor, or in the case of Catholic schools the bishop.

A person can certainly pursue materials on their own-- through the public library or a bookstore for example-- however a school maintains the right to determine what books it will carry on its shelves and what books it will not.
 
We sacrifice Dearly to send our children to Catholic School. We pay because we want our children to be educated under the Bishop’s authority. If we wanted our children to be exposed to immorality and be able to read whatever their eyes fall upon, we would be able to go on a vacation, or even out to dinner, once in a while with the money that we would save by sending them to Catholic School!
You either choose a Catholic Education or you don’t. It is akin to Cafeteria Catholicism.
 
The problem with any censorship is that it can ridiculous. If we ban Twilight and Harry Potter why wouldn’t we also have to ban Sherlock Holmes novels? Surely cocaine use is more threatening to our children than vampires or witches. If we refuse to expose our children to books that contain ideas we disagree with and actions we find immoral how can we expect them to think critically when they get into the real world? Wouldn’t it be better to instill morals in them and use reading materials as a learning opportunity and springboard for conversation?
 
The problem with any censorship is that it can ridiculous. If we ban Twilight and Harry Potter why wouldn’t we also have to ban Sherlock Holmes novels? Surely cocaine use is more threatening to our children than vampires or witches. If we refuse to expose our children to books that contain ideas we disagree with and actions we find immoral how can we expect them to think critically when they get into the real world? Wouldn’t it be better to instill morals in them and use reading materials as a learning opportunity and springboard for conversation?
This is certainly the parents role and responsibility.

The Bishop has not stated the books **cannot **be read.

The Bishop has stated the school library will not carry them.
 
This is certainly the parents role and responsibility.

The Bishop has not stated the books **cannot **be read.

The Bishop has stated the school library will not carry them.
The school library is the primary place many children have access to a wide selection of books. I’m not saying the Bishop doesn’t have a right to allow only immorality free books. I’m just saying that it will limit the selection if he is consistent. If Twilight is going to banned it only makes sense to ban Sherlock Holmes novels.
 
What if the Catholic Bishop is senile, mentally ill, ignorant or has an agenda? Shouldn’t there be checks and balances in place, rather than one man making all of the decisions?

There are Catholic Bishops who deny that the holocaust ever took place for crying out loud. Would you want that guy deciding which books to ban?
The Bishop you speak of here who is denying the holocaust ever happened is not a Bishop over a Bishopric (Diocese), he is a member of the SSPX and as such has no jurisdiction over any one as far as I know.

Now, to answer the question about the Bishop restricting a library from a school in his diocese, I say yes, he does have that right. I also think he needs to know that these other books mentioned in the OP are in these libraries as well, he may not know they are there.

Now do I agree that the books he chose to ban are good choices? Not so much. The Golden Compass is the only one I might agree with him about. The others are really just fantasy. I will agree thought that he can choose to ban them.

Brenda V.
 
The problem with censorship like this of literature is that it always start small and innocent… kind of like the Patriot Act. Sounds good, protect our nation, when in fact it was an excuse violate the constitution and spy on our own citizens. When we give up ONE freedom for security we have lost both. The same thing applies here…

I send my children to Catholic School so that they can learn what our Church teaches and practice their faith AND because I want them challenged. If I wanted them only to hear one point of few I would have stayed a Protestant and send them to fundie school…
 
The problem with censorship like this of literature is that it always start small and innocent… kind of like the Patriot Act. Sounds good, protect our nation, when in fact it was an excuse violate the constitution and spy on our own citizens. When we give up ONE freedom for security we have lost both. The same thing applies here…

I send my children to Catholic School so that they can learn what our Church teaches and practice their faith AND because I want them challenged. If I wanted them only to hear one point of few I would have stayed a Protestant and send them to fundie school…
I agree with what you say on the censorship. I think there’s a point for a kids’ library in which mature audience material should be not be available (i.e. does a school library have need for a Judy Collins books? I don’t think so). But if it’s age appropriate material, I think a ban is a form of censorship and that always backfires.

Now, I would not allow my children to watch the Golden Compass, nor would I buy the book or merchandising–because I do not want to personally support literature of which the active intent is to promote athethism. But I wouldn’t deny others the opportunity to read it if they so chose to. I think parents themselves need to decide if reading material is appropriate. If the Bishop has an opinion on the matter, he should put out a statement to the schools and parents and let them decide—FREE WILL should trump all else.
 
The Bishop should just be happy that kids are reading anything in the first place.
 
Honestly, the school is under his jurisdiction. If he decides he doesn’t want certain books in the library, then they shouldn’t be there. The real concern is, why are “worse” books in the library? The Da Vinci Code is in your library and your bishop knows this?

He hasn’t banned you from reading such books in your own home, has he?

Yes, I have read Twilight and Harry Potter…ALL of them several times. If our bishop said he didn’t want them in the library, then so be it. But the public library does carry them. Kids can go there and get them. People should talk to you about WHY you shouldn’t read them, or at least tell you the possible risks (which I don’t see as a problem when you are old enough)
 
:ehh:

As a Catholic school, it’s only fair to say they have that right to restrict you from reading them in the library. (Doesn’t mean you can’t read them on your own time from some other library or bookstore.) The only thing that concerns me: I really hope they know these stories are fiction. :cool:

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood
I was going to say the same thing. And, I hope that everyone realizes there has never been any official ‘ban’ or even statement on the HP books and the rest. One Vatican official gave his OPINION, meaning his personal opinion, on the HP books and people took it as an official statement from the Vatican which it was not. And many after him have chimed in with the exact opposite opinion. As for Twilight…there are some[ good Catholic reviews out there worth reading.

](Twilight Appeal: The cult of Edward Cullen and vampire love in Stephenie Meyer’s novels and the new film (2008) - Decent Films)
Having said that no school HAS to have any book in it’s library, thought I find the choices of this Bishop puzzling:confused: He can only have a say what is carried in the libraries not what your kids read though, that is entirely up to you.
 
If I was paying for my child to go to Catholic school, I’d EXPECT that he/she wasn’t checking out books that are not edifying or damaging to the faith. I don’t know what Twlight is at all (my kids told me about it the other day, still don’t know lol) and Harry Potter is pretty innocent. But, there are plenty of great reads out there, if you never ever read the HP series, you won’t be missing out on much. I suspect the same is true for Twlight. But, if your parents don’t mind you reading these books, check them out at your public library.

But, as far as a Catholic school library, the Bishop is in his rights to make sure all material that isn’t edifying to the faith, is removed. Books promoting pro choice ideas (if as you say they are on the shelves of the school library), should also be removed…you should speak up about that. 👍
 
If I was paying for my child to go to Catholic school, I’d EXPECT that he/she wasn’t checking out books that are not edifying or damaging to the faith. I don’t know what Twlight is at all (my kids told me about it the other day, still don’t know lol)
Twilight as I read it: Harlelquin romance, for teens. Harry Potter sigh overhyped.

None of these are wholesome books which instill any sort of moral fiber into the minds of the youth. Its literary fast food.

The best thing anyone’s every said about Twilight is that “it promotes chastity”. Untrue. Chastity is more than celibacy. They’re simply glad the teens didn’t have sexy before they were married; forget the lustful ways characters are described, or the altogether creepy description of the male leads controling and abusive nature. Or how the female lead is really just strong along, every decision made for her; manipulated, lied to. All in the name of “Love”.

Harry Potter. Better view on love. Glorifies magic, even if it is the Hollywood sort. Headmaster’s gay according to author. Still no solid moral foundation, characters lie, steal.
 
Twilight as I read it: Harlelquin romance, for teens. Harry Potter sigh overhyped.

None of these are wholesome books which instill any sort of moral fiber into the minds of the youth. Its literary fast food.

The best thing anyone’s every said about Twilight is that “it promotes chastity”. Untrue. Chastity is more than celibacy. They’re simply glad the teens didn’t have sexy before they were married; forget the lustful ways characters are described, or the altogether creepy description of the male leads controling and abusive nature. Or how the female lead is really just strong along, every decision made for her; manipulated, lied to. All in the name of “Love”.

Harry Potter. Better view on love. Glorifies magic, even if it is the Hollywood sort. Headmaster’s gay according to author. Still no solid moral foundation, characters lie, steal.
If we are going to ban books based on the morals of the characters does that mean Sherlock Holmes should also not be allowed in the library?
 
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