Should abortion be banned or not?

[bquinnan]

I just couldn’t vote anything but yes. But of course I am so prolife that I think the deathpenalty should be banned as well.

I’m so pro-life I support the death penalty as a means of discouraging and punishing murder.

 

[hawkeye]

Neither should the child’s beating heat be ruined, the child didn’t copulate.

Sorry, that would be heart.

 

[jmcrae]

I’m so pro-life I support the death penalty as a means of discouraging and punishing murder.

The death penalty has its uses, but it is not a “punishment” since the person who receives it cannot improve his behaviour after receiving it.

The death penalty is for the protection of society when prisons are either not available, or not effective - the person actually receiving it does not derive any benefit from it.

It could have deterrent value if there were a clear connection between the crime committed and the punishment received, but our modern justice system is too slow for that - most people have long forgotten the crime when the death penalty is finally meted out.

One thing I admire about the justice system in Islamic countries is that justice is swift - you commit the crime today, you receive the punishment tonight, and it’s all over the news in the morning - there is strong deterrent value when the crime, the consequence, and the end result are all published at the same time.

 

[neat62]

Should abortion be banned or not?

I personally do not think it should be banned. I support a woman’s right to choose. I am, however, pro-life. What do you think?

Yes, it should be banned, without a doubt! You know, the solution is real simple…don’t want a child? Can’t afford one? Aren’t prepared…than DO NOT commit the act that may cause the consequence of pregnancy!

It’s called personal responsibility and in fact, women do have a “right to choose”…they can CHOOSE to abstain…or they can CHOOSE not to…risking the possibility of pregnancy…and they best be prepared…or DON’T RISK IT!

Course, we will never hear the feminists stand up and tell women that its okay to JUST SAY NO! Sigh…

We need to actually expect MORE from women…expect that they can and WILL actually THINK before acting!

And until we stop murdering the weakest among us…we will just continue to see further degeneration of society and rampant immorality!

Blood, Toil, Tears and Sweat

 

[mapleoak]

Course, we will never hear the feminists stand up and tell women that its okay to JUST SAY NO! Sigh…

We need to actually expect MORE from women…expect that they can and WILL actually THINK before acting!

And until we stop murdering the weakest among us…we will just continue to see further degeneration of society and rampant immorality!

Of course that would be totally contrary to the feminist way of thinking. To say women should be responsible and value their dignity. Preposterous!

 

[neat62]

Of course that would be totally contrary to the feminist way of thinking. To say women should be responsible and value their dignity. Preposterous!

Yea…maybe that’s why I push it so!! =)

It is crazy to think that while we push women to be strong in all aspects of life, we tell them they should simply submit to being sexual objects, used for pleasure only…sigh…

 

[bquinnan]

The death penalty has its uses, but it is not a “punishment” since the person who receives it cannot improve his behaviour after receiving it.

The death penalty is for the protection of society when prisons are either not available, or not effective - the person actually receiving it does not derive any benefit from it.

Retribution would probably have been a better word. However, the punishment can still have a benefit for the person receiving it. For one thing, the imminence of death has lead some criminals to reconsider the state of their souls, leading them to conversion.

St. Thomas Aquinas also noted that capital punishment can also prevent the murderer from committing further murders, which is better for his soul.

It could have deterrent value if there were a clear connection between the crime committed and the punishment received, but our modern justice system is too slow for that - most people have long forgotten the crime when the death penalty is finally meted out.

I find it doubtful that many criminals have forgotten their crimes at the time of execution. Can you provide evidence of this?

One thing I admire about the justice system in Islamic countries is that justice is swift - you commit the crime today, you receive the punishment tonight, and it’s all over the news in the morning - there is strong deterrent value when the crime, the consequence, and the end result are all published at the same time.

True, but it’s also admirable that our system of appeals allows cases to be reviewed, in some cases resulting in the exoneration of condemned criminals. I do think we’ve probably swung the pendulum too far to the side of taking our time, but overly swift justice will always allow for more mistakes to be made. (The ability to look at DNA evidence will, I believe, go a long way in reducing the number of mistakes, however.)

Anyway, I didn’t mean to send this thread on a tangent. I just found the comment that someone thinks he’s more pro-life than other people because he opposes capital punishment to be presumptuous, obnoxious and self-righteous.

 

[bquinnan]

Should abortion be banned or not?

I personally do not think it should be banned. I support a woman’s right to choose. I am, however, pro-life. What do you think?

First of all, I don’t think any significant segment of the population in the Western world is against women making choices in general. However, everyone – even those who call themselves “pro-choice” – believes that there are some choices that one should not be allowed to make, because of the impact such choices will have on others. I’m sure you don’t favor a women’s “right” to leave her small children locked in the car on a hot day while she does her grocery shopping. Does that mean you are opposed to women making choices?

Most people – libertarians and anarchists excepted – believe that their should even be restrictions on the choices people are allowed to make with their own bodies, supporting legislation against prostitution, drug abuse, suicide and organ sales, for example.

I get the feeling that people who say they oppose abortion but support “a woman’s right to choose” are afraid that if they support laws against abortion, they’ll be relegating women to second-class status. But that simply isn’t the case – the issue isn’t choice but life. After all, who do you know who opposes women choosing abortion but believes men should be allowed to make the decision that their mate must abort? No one I’ve ever met – it’s not that anyone thinks women aren’t capable of making responsible choices; it’s that abortion is wrong no matter who is choosing it.

 

[Philothea53]

Should abortion be banned or not?

I personally do not think it should be banned. I support a woman’s right to choose. I am, however, pro-life. What do you think?

You cannot be Catholic and pro-“choice”. To be pro-“choice” is to be pro-abortion. You cannot support murder and call yourself prolife.

 

[jmcrae]

Retribution would probably have been a better word. However, the punishment can still have a benefit for the person receiving it. For one thing, the imminence of death has lead some criminals to reconsider the state of their souls, leading them to conversion.

Possibly - especially given the length of time they are in prison beforehand (often many years).

St. Thomas Aquinas also noted that capital punishment can also prevent the murderer from committing further murders, which is better for his soul.

It only takes one murder to go to Hell.

I find it doubtful that many criminals have forgotten their crimes at the time of execution. Can you provide evidence of this?

Those who are supposed to be being deterred from committing capital crimes by the administration of the death penalty are the ones who will have forgotten all about it by the time it actually occurs.

True, but it’s also admirable that our system of appeals allows cases to be reviewed, in some cases resulting in the exoneration of condemned criminals.

This can also happen without the death penalty.

Anyway, I didn’t mean to send this thread on a tangent. I just found the comment that someone thinks he’s more pro-life than other people because he opposes capital punishment to be presumptuous, obnoxious and self-righteous.

As Catholics, we are supposed to be people who respect all human life, from the moment of conception until the moment of natural death. There are exceptions for necessary wars, self-defense, and for the proper application of the death penalty, but whenever possible, we need to be choosing in favour of life.

 

[StevenFrancis]

Should abortion be banned or not?

I personally do not think it should be banned. I support a woman’s right to choose. I am, however, pro-life. What do you think?

Hi:

Did you just go to a fairly orthodox Catholic website and ask whether abortion should be banned? Any surprises in your results?



Peace to you,

Steven

 

[Philothea53]

Yes, I know that Becky and if you had read my entire thread you would have seen that I changed my position.

No, you really didn’t. You are still advocating for rape and health of the mother. You are either pro-life or you are pro-murder. There really can’t be a grey area.

 

[leftistdestroye]

I think that perhaps we should first define murder. Is killing a blob of tissue that may become a person if given the chance really murder?

Is an amoeba dead or alive? A single celled creature. Small, cannot be seen, but has a metoblism. It is alive.

Soon after fertilization, we have the following:

Metabolism
Growth
Reproduction(division)

At each stage in the womb, the zygote/embryo/fetus consumes food and disposes of waste.

Life: the sum of the distinguishing phenomena of organisms, esp. metabolism, growth, reproduction, and adaptation to environment.

At each stage in the womb, the zygote/embryo/fetus consumes food and disposes of waste.

"Is killing a blob of tissue that may become a person if given the chance really murder? "

“If given the chance”? Sounds like you answered your own question to me.

 

[Holly3278]

Is an amoeba dead or alive? A single celled creature. Small, cannot be seen, but has a metoblism. It is alive.

Soon after fertilization, we have the following:

Metabolism
Growth
Reproduction(division)

At each stage in the womb, the zygote/embryo/fetus consumes food and disposes of waste.

Life: the sum of the distinguishing phenomena of organisms, esp. metabolism, growth, reproduction, and adaptation to environment.

At each stage in the womb, the zygote/embryo/fetus consumes food and disposes of waste.

"Is killing a blob of tissue that may become a person if given the chance really murder? "

“If given the chance”? Sounds like you answered your own question to me.

I wish that people would read the whole thread before posting. And yes I know that it is a very long thread by now but I have changed my position. I am a fully orthodox Catholic and am therefore pro-life all the way!

 

[leftistdestroye]

I just don’t think that something based upon religious beliefs should be legislated.

I am personally pro-life meaning that I am against abortion and wish it did not exist but I am pro-choice as well meaning that I do believe a woman should have the right to choose an abortion if that is what she really wants.

I do, however, also believe that we should do all that we can to prevent abortion from happening. I do not see banning abortion as a solution.

Should personal ideology be legislated? What is the difference between my religious beliefs being legislated or not, compared to what an athiest believes?

A woman has always had a “right” to an abortion, even prior to Roe.(free will) If a woman felt compelled enough in 1926 to have an abortion, then she did. But that does not mean that the gov. or society should condone or sanction it.

Banning abortion would enable many women who would have an abortion, think twice about 1) getting an abortion and 2) the consequences of having sex. No matter what, abortion will always exist, but we can cut the number of them down, by banning it.

And for the record, Roe was never voted on.(i’m sure you know)

 

[Holly3278]

Should personal ideology be legislated? What is the difference between my religious beliefs being legislated or not, compared to what an athiest believes?

A woman has always had a “right” to an abortion, even prior to Roe.(free will) If a woman felt compelled enough in 1926 to have an abortion, then she did. But that does not mean that the gov. or society should condone or sanction it.

Banning abortion would enable many women who would have an abortion, think twice about 1) getting an abortion and 2) the consequences of having sex. No matter what, abortion will always exist, but we can cut the number of them down, by banning it.

And for the record, Roe was never voted on.(i’m sure you know)

Please, I am begging you, read through at least 1/4 of the thread before posting! I have gone pro-life! I am sick and tired of being rebuked for something I no longer believe in!

 

[leftistdestroye]

I would say it is a human or a person but not necessarily one with rights. Why should it have rights when it is basically a parasite to the mother?

A parasite??? Nice. A “parasite”, brought on by “it’s” mother. The first time I heard a baby referd to as a “parasite” was on this site:

imnotsorry.net/

Should a newborn baby have rights? If so, then why? It must be “parasitic” to someone, or die. It too relies on a “host” without giving anything in return towards the survival of it’s “host”.

 

[Holly3278]

A parasite??? Nice. A “parasite”, brought on by “it’s” mother. The first time I heard a baby referd to as a “parasite” was on this site:

imnotsorry.net/

Should a newborn baby have rights? If so, then why? It must be “parasitic” to someone, or die. It too relies on a “host” without giving anything in return towards the survival of it’s “host”.

I guess you are just going to totally ignore my recent posts aren’t you? Would you please stop rebuking me for stuff I no longer believe in!

 

[leftistdestroye]

Ok, you beat me. Abortion is wrong and should be banned. I admit it. I was wrong all along.

But what about abortion in the case where the mother’s health or life is at risk?

Oops, sorry. I just now saw this post. Please disregard my other posts lol

 

[leftistdestroye]

I guess you are just going to totally ignore my recent posts aren’t you? Would you please stop rebuking me for stuff I no longer believe in!

I do not start at the end of these posts, I start at the beginning. See my previous post.