Should Abortion be illegal?

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The argument of choice is an invalid one since the mothers choice was made on that day she had sex.
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Ok, first off let me state CATEGORICALLY that I am 100% pro-life.

I do not feel that there is ever any situation whatsoever whereby an abortion is ever morally ‘right.’

Now, to the poster who wrote the above:

That post is, to put it mildly, ill-considered.

First: Two people are needed to conceive a child. NOT just the mother alone.

Second: Unless you want to get drawn into the murky waters of ‘consent’, you should realize–and phrase accordingly–that some ‘mothers’ do not ‘choose’ to have sex. They are raped.

The way you phrased the above you not only make it seem as though ONLY the mother’s ‘choice’ need be considered, you also make it seem as though ANY PREGNANCY occurs because 'the woman CHOOSES to have sex."

And that is not so.

The fact is, of course, that even in the cases where the woman is raped, that still does not mean she has a ‘choice’ to abort. Two wrongs (rape first, abortion after) do not make a right.

But you will find the anti-life crowd would be down in DROVES on you for that sentence, screaming blue murder (so to speak) about how ‘rape’ AUTOMATICALLY JUSTIFIES abortion.

Don’t play into it.

Right from the start, remember: There are TWO parents, not just one. Even if the mother did not CHOOSE sex, there is still never a moral reason to have an abortion.

Don’t even play the ‘choice’ card or they’ll bring up ‘situational ethics’ until the cows come come. They’re already frothing that prolifers are ANTIWOMAN and they’ll play the “You’re going to punish some poor raped woman with a baby you evil thing” unless you stop them straight off with "It doesn’t matter HOW the infant was conceived. It matters WHO is conceived. . .a person, with a right to life no matter what circumstances brought him/her into existence.
 
Doesn’t the Bible advocate abortion?

I’m pretty sure it does.

I am of course referring to Numbers 5:13–31.

Any comments?

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SFTor
 
Lynn-D:

I understand that you feel that life begins at conception. Does that mean that we need a fetus police, that will protect the life and rights of every embryo and fetus?

Let’s say a woman goes running while she is pregnant, and has a miscarriage. Does she need to be investigated by such a police agency?

Best,

Tor
 
Regarding Starwynd’s comment:

I’m sure there’s nobody here that has any illusion that the Constitution was based on philosophical principles based on Catholicism?
 
Regarding Starwynd’s comment:

I’m sure there’s nobody here that has any illusion that the Constitution was based on Catholic philosophical principles?
 
Hi Caesar:

Very simple. If embryos and fetuses are living human beings like the ones who have already made it out of the birth canal they need equal protections.

Then if an embryo or fetus dies it is the death of a human being. It must be investigated as to whether it was a natural or a wrongful death.

Best,

Tor
 
There isn’t any realistic way to do that, I think.

1000th post! :extrahappy:
 
Caesar:

What do you mean “no realistic way?” We investigate the death of every person who dies, basically, through autopsies and morticians.

So with miscarried fetuses we should just content ourselves with some kind of half-measure? For these weakest and smallest among us?

Especially when we know that abortion is a constant threat to them?

Best,

Tor
 
I didn’t mean we can’t give them equal protection, I just meant I don’t see how we can have an investigation after the death of every unborn child.
 
Hey all:

Still no comment as to whether Numbers 5 prescribes abortion.

Anyone?

Best,

Tor
 
Caesar:

If embryos and fetuses are human beings, how do we get around it?
 
What are you talking about? I see no reason why we cannot protect unborn humans as we protect other humans. What are you trying to say?
 
Caesar:

I am trying to say that if we want to protect embryos and fetuses like we do other human beings we need to include them under the laws that are in effect for the rest of us.

If an expectant mother has a miscarriage the question becomes: was it inadvertent, negligent, or willful?

The circumstances will decide whether she is tried for manslaughter (negligent or not) or murder.

Best,

Tor
 
Ok… so what are trying to say?

Abortion is murder, but we can’t really have a police investigation after the death of an unborn child. A police investigation doesn’t necessarily mean protection, as it happens after the fact. How does that stop us from protecting the unborn?
 
Hello Caesar:

If abortion is murder, and we are looking to protect the unborn, I don’t see how we get around prosecuting expectant mothers who abort or miscarry for reasons of negligence or malice for manslaughter or murder. Because in that case pregnant women are simply carrying a human being that is independent from themselves.

The unborn child is a human being from conception, right? We would investigate if any other human being died under mysterious circumstances.

Best,

Tor
 
Ok… so how do you want to do it? I’m open to suggestions. It’s a challenge, no doubt but what does that have to do with “should abortion be illegal?”
 
Caesar:

Well, if we’re going to make abortion illegal, this is what we have to do.

Best,

Tor
 
Yes. So what are you trying to say? So far all you have said is if we are going to make abortion illegal then we willl have to try and stop it.
 
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