Should active homosexuals be permitted to flaunt their lifestyle at a CatholicSchool?

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Why is an exhaustive list necessary? Anyone who holds themself out as married and is not would be a scandal and that may be conveyed in many ways.
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Hi fix!

Yes, scandal can be conveyed in many ways. If the administration is overly scrupulous, then one ends up with an empty school. If your administrator is, say, a Paul Shanley clone, then you end up with an entirely different problem. There is no accountability in such a system because the reasons for expulsion can be whatever the current administration wants them to be. I’m for less opportunity for relativistic interperetations and more bright-line standards.
 
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Hi fix!

Yes, scandal can be conveyed in many ways. If the administration is overly scrupulous, then one ends up with an empty school. If your administrator is, say, a Paul Shanley clone, then you end up with an entirely different problem. There is no accountability in such a system because the reasons for expulsion can be whatever the current administration wants them to be. I’m for less opportunity for relativistic interperetations and more bright-line standards.
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The reasons are that one is living a public life contrary to Catholic teaching.
 
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The reasons are that one is living a public life contrary to Catholic teaching.
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Hi fix!

One can infer as much from any two members of the same sex who live together. One could infer incest if a brother and sister live together. One can infer contraception from a married couple that lives together for a long time with no children.

All I’m saying is that in the absence of direct evidence, people are prone to draw assumptions, and be led to erroneous conclusions about those assumptions. This can lead to scandal.

It’s too subjective. There is too much room for relativism and I simply want to seal up the cracks before the smoke of Satan in allowed to enter.
 
Other Eric:
One can infer as much from any two members of the same sex who live together. One could infer incest if a brother and sister live together. One can infer contraception from a married couple that lives together for a long time with no children.

All I’m saying is that in the absence of direct evidence, people are prone to draw assumptions, and be led to erroneous conclusions about those assumptions. This can lead to scandal.
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Infer, assume, and conclude as you will. The only thing scandalous (sinful) is those formulating attitudes and behaviors (gossip) in absence of concrete evidence.

**“**Conscience is a judgment of reason by which the human person recognizes the moral quality of a concrete act.” (Catechism of the Catholic Church 1796).
 
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Hi fix!

One can infer as much from any two members of the same sex who live together. One could infer incest if a brother and sister live together. One can infer contraception from a married couple that lives together for a long time with no children.

All I’m saying is that in the absence of direct evidence, people are prone to draw assumptions, and be led to erroneous conclusions about those assumptions. This can lead to scandal.

It’s too subjective. There is too much room for relativism and I simply want to seal up the cracks before the smoke of Satan in allowed to enter.
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Why would one assume any of those things? There is a vast difference between two brothers living together and two homosexuals who adopted a child. It is not about guessing what every other person is up to, but it is about scandal.

Why pretend otherwise?
 
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Why would one assume any of those things? There is a vast difference between two brothers living together and two homosexuals who adopted a child. It is not about guessing what every other person is up to, but it is about scandal.

Why pretend otherwise?
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Hi fix!

All I’m saying is that the appearance of sin and the assumend acceptance of it gives scandal even if the couple is not actually involved in sin. The couple does have a responsibility to correct others misperceptions, but in the case of two individuals of the same sex who live together, I’m not even sure that a direct denial would suffice since this is precisely the type of thing one might expect them to be dishonest about.
 
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felra:
Infer, assume, and conclude as you will. The only thing scandalous (sinful) is those formulating attitudes and behaviors (gossip) in absence of concrete evidence.

**“**Conscience is a judgment of reason by which the human person recognizes the moral quality of a concrete act.” (Catechism of the Catholic Church 1796).
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Hi felra!

So, do we allow a same-sex couple to enroll their child in a Catholic school as long as they never say they are living in sin? Doesn’t this imply that what the Church is really interested in is the appearence of morality, not necessarily the practice of such?
 
When I was in catholic school in Virginia, during the 60s and early 70s, students and parents regularly made racial and anti-Jewish statements. But there was no reaction from the clergy. And I think racism and anti-semtism (sp?) are considered sins in the Catholic church. Perhaps it was the times. And the money that the bigoted church members contributed to the parish.

I also don’t think the gay gentlemen should be exposing their kids to organized hate this early. Their children will have a tough row to how regardless of where they go to school. It seems to be “Catholic-baiting” to enroll them in Catholic school. It enrages devout members, energizes the bigots, and frankly puts their children in a dangerous environment. The first duty of parents is to protect their children. Putting them into Catholic school, like enrolling them in a Southern Baptist school, exposes them to physical harm.
 
No.

And heteros shoud not flaunt their lifestyle in a gay bar.

A person that is five pounds overweight should not go to a diet guru for the morbidly obese just to feel good about himself by making the others feel badly about themselves.

Its nice when people behave appropriately and with respect for others, even those we disagree with the most .
 
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MikeinSD:
Putting them into Catholic school, like enrolling them in a Southern Baptist school, exposes them to physical harm.
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Really? Fights were common in my public school between heterosexual boys. However, I’d be curious if you could cite several specific examples of deliberate, prejudice-based violence in a Catholic elementary school against children of a homosexual couple.

It’s important to keep in mind that there are hundreds of thousands of Catholic elementary students. Still, seeing even one example would help inform us all.

I’ve observed that anyone who opposes normalization of the homosexual lifestyle in their Church is automatically accused of homophobia. They’re also accused of organized violence against homosexuals. By that theory all people who feel marriage should be between men and women are violent psychotics. I’d like to see a bit more evidence before I’d accept that conclusion.
 
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MikeinSD:
When I was in catholic school in Virginia, during the 60s and early 70s, students and parents regularly made racial and anti-Jewish statements. But there was no reaction from the clergy. And I think racism and anti-semtism (sp?) are considered sins in the Catholic church. Perhaps it was the times. And the money that the bigoted church members contributed to the parish.

I also don’t think the gay gentlemen should be exposing their kids to organized hate this early. Their children will have a tough row to how regardless of where they go to school. It seems to be “Catholic-baiting” to enroll them in Catholic school. It enrages devout members, energizes the bigots, and frankly puts their children in a dangerous environment. The first duty of parents is to protect their children. Putting them into Catholic school, like enrolling them in a Southern Baptist school, exposes them to physical harm.
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I will pray for you MikeSD.
 
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Hi felra!

So, do we allow a same-sex couple to enroll their child in a Catholic school as long as they never say they are living in sin? Doesn’t this imply that what the Church is really interested in is the appearence of morality, not necessarily the practice of such?
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The Church is interested (as the religious are likewise avowed) in the salvation of souls and encouraging a *mature *faith relationship with our Saviour. The proper Church authority can only work with a person along these lines as much as they are being honest and sincere in their desire to live lives of personal holiness. You seem to struggle with the CCC presentation of what comprises scandal as the basis for proper action to be taken. The owness goes back on the offending party, not the party (Catholic community) being offended, i.e., a mature self-responsibility for one’s choices and actions.
 
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felra:
The Church is interested (as the religious are likewise avowed) in the salvation of souls and encouraging a *mature *faith relationship with our Saviour. The proper Church authority can only work with a person along these lines as much as they are being honest and sincere in their desire to live lives of personal holiness. You seem to struggle with the CCC presentation of what comprises scandal as the basis for proper action to be taken. The owness goes back on the offending party, not the party (Catholic community) being offended, i.e., a mature self-responsibility for one’s choices and actions.
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Hi felra!

I did not believe that I was trying to deflect responsibility. I think that the couple in our situation must go beyond the mere prohibition of genital activity. The sin of scandal holds them morally responsible for the misperceptions of others. This puts the onus right where it belongs. On the couple involved.
 
Faithful 2 Rome:
Regardless if its public school or private…active homosexuals should not be allowed to teach school from grades K thru Sophmore in high school.
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Why ‘sophmore’?

Angel
 
Hello,
I am wondering if anyone knows of a good Catholic church to attend in the Minneapolis,Richfield,Bloomington area of Minnesota?
I wil be visiting this weekend and would like to know of the ones where the rainbow sashers do not attend? I have never seen this type of thing in Nebraska/Iowa. If anyone knows of a good Mass to attend please let me know.Thanks and God BLess
 
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