The Church has declared a decision that the laity can receive kneeling in the Latin Church. What is the problem here? My contention is people seeking perceived “rights” as opposed to establish Church practice. In your example, if the Church backtracks and says all Latin laity are to receive standing, then the Latin laity should receive standing. No ifs, no buts.
Well this is quite a different statement than saying that the laity cannon point to a right that is defined in the Canons. You statement seemed to refer to the fact that a Catholic cannot assert rights that are granted by the Church because they are described in the CCL. The CCL is not a mere suggestion, it is a list of laws to which everybody must abide unless the law allows for exemption or dispensation (economia).
We’re talking about what to do to prevent injustice and scandal. You’re talking about what to do after an injustice occurs.
Yes. “Waiving canons” does seem like an extreme characterization.I see we were posting at the same time.I would have to disagree here with the characterization of waving canons at anyone. Of course you are saying one has the “right”, not saying one ought to do so, those are separate and prudence should define what happens.
The Canons aren’t as black and white as we hope it would be. It is not meant for regular daily use by the laity. Even my own bishop would consult a canon lawyer when dealing with the canons. Which raises the question why untrained laity are so certain what the Canons mean.
There is no sin to follow your elders (priest and bishops) unless of course what they ask you is an outright sin (like commit adultery, murder, etc.) If they were unfair in denying you the Eucharist, then they will have to deal with God about that. But for you submitting to your elder would be good in the eyes of God.
Do you know how vague “properly disposed” is? A priest can easily say, “only 7 and up are properly disposed to receive in our Rite.” That is the end of the discussion right there. Like I said, when in Rome…
So you are saying that a priest can say “only men are properly disposed to receive during my Masses” and if you are a woman you are out of luck? Is that the end of the discussion right there?
I agree.
The Canons should be tempered by mercy and humility. I think that is all any of us are saying. I’m not sure why you are so insistent on uniformity in the Liturgy. I’m tempted to throw out the word “legalism,” but you explained that you have ADD, so that might be a dominant factor in your pov.
As far as the Eucharist, “properly disposed” has nothing to do with anything else but one thing - having a clean conscience before the Lord (in Latinese, that would be “state of Grace”).OP asked a question about the physical logistics of reception when our babies and children are receiving in a Latin Church and said the priest s/he spoke with did not object. Other ECs addressed that question of how logistically they might physically receive.
BTW - the continuation of this line of argument makes the case for Latinization. One day’s “scandal” becomes the next day’s “praxis”. Married priesthood, elimination of two of the three sacramental elements of the rite of christian initiation, etc. - it all started with an assertion of scandal in appearance, even though it was occuring only in the ritual churches and not in their own.
Which is essentially unjudgable by another person. So another person, such a bishop or priest, can arbitrarily say that one is not properly disposed by any means and measure available to them. As I said, they can easily just say that one of the things that make one properly disposed in the Latin Church is age. And they are correct with that. Unless you are forgetting the Canons which say:
Blessings,
Marduk
Sure, but that is for the confines of their parish. That is why we need to observe their norms, their traditions when we are in their parish.
Surely yes, but does that mean we become bound by a different set of canons? Observing norms is one thing - being precluded from the Sacraments is another.
Yes. That is my opinion. As St. Ambrose said, when he travels to Rome he fasts on the days Rome fasts, and when he is back in Milan he fasts on the days they fast.
It is their tradition to share communion with Eastern Catholics. It is the Eastern Catholic pastor’s job, according to the Eastern canons and norms, to determine when an Eastern Catholic is properly prepared to begin receiving the sacraments.