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Bezant
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Harharhar.Well I am sure a lion wouldn’t be terribly emotional if he was eating you but a crocodile may cry.
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severus68
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Stunning is restraint? Did not know that. Thanks for the info.
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severus68
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I am sure I cant stop you from posting.
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Ridgerunner
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I have said some of the following before, but not all, and perhaps not in this thread.
I think a lot of people think they know what happens in a meat processing plant when they really don’t. I have been in poultry plants and pork plants, and it’s part of the process to stun the animals and bleed them out rapidly. It’s not because that’s kosher or halal or anything else, except accidentally. It’s just efficient and leaves the meat clean of blood. Leave blood in an animal and the USDA will reject it. Treat an animal cruelly and the USDA will probably reject part or all of the carcass. In addition, there are laws against animal cruelty for which processors can be fined or shut down.
I have never seen anybody slam chickens against the wall or kick anything. They don’t have to do that as part of any process, and it would serve no purpose. It’s also likely to get an employee fired. I have seen that happen.
But that’s not to say a “kick” to, say, a 1000 lb steer is the same as a “kick” to a human being. I have seen cattle hit each other just to maintain pecking order, (which they do all the time) with a force that would break every bone and rupture every organ in a human body, and without evident ill effect of any kind on the animal. A human kick is nothing to a cow or steer. We’re not them and they’re not us, and we should not confuse the two.
Someone in a post said they would eat grass before they would eat meat. That means, then, that the person would die, because human digestion can’t access the nutrients in grass because it’s coated with cellulose. Only grass-eating animals can get the nutrients out of grass. And 1/3 of the habitable world is only suitable for grassland. Grass-eating animals are a gift to mankind, and a very significant one.
People seem to be assuming that “artificial meat” is somehow grown without (name removed by moderator)uts. I don’t know about artificial meat, but the (name removed by moderator)uts into human skin grafting material is major, painstaking and very expensive. It also has to be absolutely sterile to avoid bacterial or viral contamination. Meat is protein. Where is the protein-rich growth medium (along with additional chemicals) going to come from, and what does it cost per pound of meat produced? I could be wrong, but I question whether that is an answer, particularly given that cattle, at least, produce protein principally out of grass that we cannot utilize in any way, and reproduce themselves. Fully 1/3 of the world, as I said, is fit for nothing else. Maybe artificial meat is the wave of the future, but I have my doubts.
I think a lot of people think they know what happens in a meat processing plant when they really don’t. I have been in poultry plants and pork plants, and it’s part of the process to stun the animals and bleed them out rapidly. It’s not because that’s kosher or halal or anything else, except accidentally. It’s just efficient and leaves the meat clean of blood. Leave blood in an animal and the USDA will reject it. Treat an animal cruelly and the USDA will probably reject part or all of the carcass. In addition, there are laws against animal cruelty for which processors can be fined or shut down.
I have never seen anybody slam chickens against the wall or kick anything. They don’t have to do that as part of any process, and it would serve no purpose. It’s also likely to get an employee fired. I have seen that happen.
But that’s not to say a “kick” to, say, a 1000 lb steer is the same as a “kick” to a human being. I have seen cattle hit each other just to maintain pecking order, (which they do all the time) with a force that would break every bone and rupture every organ in a human body, and without evident ill effect of any kind on the animal. A human kick is nothing to a cow or steer. We’re not them and they’re not us, and we should not confuse the two.
Someone in a post said they would eat grass before they would eat meat. That means, then, that the person would die, because human digestion can’t access the nutrients in grass because it’s coated with cellulose. Only grass-eating animals can get the nutrients out of grass. And 1/3 of the habitable world is only suitable for grassland. Grass-eating animals are a gift to mankind, and a very significant one.
People seem to be assuming that “artificial meat” is somehow grown without (name removed by moderator)uts. I don’t know about artificial meat, but the (name removed by moderator)uts into human skin grafting material is major, painstaking and very expensive. It also has to be absolutely sterile to avoid bacterial or viral contamination. Meat is protein. Where is the protein-rich growth medium (along with additional chemicals) going to come from, and what does it cost per pound of meat produced? I could be wrong, but I question whether that is an answer, particularly given that cattle, at least, produce protein principally out of grass that we cannot utilize in any way, and reproduce themselves. Fully 1/3 of the world, as I said, is fit for nothing else. Maybe artificial meat is the wave of the future, but I have my doubts.
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centurionguard
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C’mon your not that naive are you?
Acronyms like “WTF” shouldn’t even be used on this site.
They should be banned by the Moderators.
A sticky is in order here.
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John21652
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Elibrimom, where I come from, Australia, rabbits are an infernal pest. As a matter of fact, the government puts a whole lot of money into eradicating this mangy little animal that is a destroyer of ecosystems given a chance. Two viruses have been developed to control their numbers. One is Myxomatosis and the other is Calicivirus. Neither give the rabbit a particularly nice death, but the alternative is economic disaster if this pest isn’t controlled. Notwithstanding that, there is nothing like going out on a bunny hunt at nightime with a gun and a spotlight. It’s a fun way to get a cheap feed of good meat with a nice gamey flavour and save the environment at the same time.
As for eating grass, best leave that to animals designed for it. Humans have great trouble eating grass. Humans, however, have become very adept at harvesting the grass eaters for their protein. In my country, which is about the same size as the U.S. less than 10% of the land is arable. I think the figure for the U.S. is around 18%. Imagine trying to feed a large population when only a small amount of your land can be cultivated! However, a lot of the land that’s no good for cultivating is OK for grazing and through grazing regimes we can churn out lots of good food and still maintain things like soil health in the process. Sadly, most big cities are burying good farm land and that puts pressure onto the remaining land to produce more. We need to be careful, or we will end up eating grass.
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tafan
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Really? I do not concur. I see no evidence in Genesis that man was vegetarian before the fall.
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