Should be Marijuana be legalized?

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It’s not the buzz that keeps people from drinking non-alcoholic beer, or, not always the buzz. Somehow, they taste too watery and the finish is much too short. The taste dies off too quickly in your mouth, so they don’t “feel” like a beer with alcohol.

Marijuana warps your brain. “Medical” marijuana is just an excuse to get high. Funny how the “patients” who go to obtain it look just like pot-heads.
Any drug used improperly can cause ill effects. Prescription pills are more often abused than MJ. Alcohol is still the king of auto accidents and has wrecked more families than MJ any day.

Keep preaching your nonsense.

BTW are your a Doctor or medical researcher? My guess would be NO you are not.
 
lol, no… nobody said anything about being tanked. The strongest word used, I believe was “tipsy”. Anyways, Jesus used wine because it was tradition, and it was tradition because drinking pure water was a really, really bad idea.

Of course the tradition stands for the Eucharist, but my other point still remains. If enough people enjoyed bourbon and wanted to avoid the intoxicating effects, there would be a non-alcoholic substitute.
You post shows that you understand little about basic chemistry as in distilling.

Who decides the definition of “tipsy” verses “tanked”. In my family our rule is NO drinking and driving. A designated sober driver is require to any event where alcohol is to be served.

Face facts, alcohol is typically the first gateway drug used by most and it is inherently more dangerous that MJ. I am not saying there is no risks with using either substance, but in 50 years I’ve seen more families damaged by alcohol abuse. Ironic that alcohol is still legal. I guess the government likes the tax dollars and overlooks the 40K accidents per year associated to drinking and driving.
 
So why isn’t non-alcoholic beer or wine the best-seller?
The reason that non-alcoholic beer and wine do not sell very well is that it does not taste as good as the products containing alcohol. In fact, non-alcoholic beer and wine tastes horrible!
If you don’t believe me, why not do a blindfolded comparisons taste test?
 
I’d like to point out that a proper drinking culture can reduce alcoholism while intake actually goes up, compare France to the US.

In my family children are introduced to wine at about 11, much of my family drinks a bit, but none of them are alcoholics.

(In case you were wondering I live in California which has a family exception to the drinking age, also that side of the family is French)
 
You post shows that you understand little about basic chemistry as in distilling.

Who decides the definition of “tipsy” verses “tanked”. In my family our rule is NO drinking and driving. A designated sober driver is require to any event where alcohol is to be served.

Face facts, alcohol is typically the first gateway drug used by most and it is inherently more dangerous that MJ. I am not saying there is no risks with using either substance, but in 50 years I’ve seen more families damaged by alcohol abuse. Ironic that alcohol is still legal. I guess the government likes the tax dollars and overlooks the 40K accidents per year associated to drinking and driving.
You realize I’m not disagreeing with you, right? For the record, no I do not have much knowledge in either chemistry or distilling, and I would set the distinction between tipsy and tanked as somewhere between 1 and 6 beers per hour.
 
The reason that non-alcoholic beer and wine do not sell very well is that it does not taste as good as the products containing alcohol. In fact, non-alcoholic beer and wine tastes horrible!
If you don’t believe me, why not do a blindfolded comparisons taste test?
I understand now that there is a significant difference in the quality of the taste, but I still ask “why?”

If there were enough people who wanted the taste without the intoxication, I’m sure the substitute would be developed in rather short order.
 
I have heard two different takes by priests. One commented that imbibing MJ was malum prohibitum - sinful only because it is outlawed. Another priest, of the FSSP order, argued from the natural law. His argument was that alcohol was designed for imbibing and everything about its nature suggests this: many saccharides break down into alcohol, its in a liquid form, its tastes good, Christ used it, many cultures across the world drink alcohol, etc. On the other hand, MJ is not so clearly meant to be imbibed in order to come under its influence (any level of influence). Moreover, from history, we can more clearly see that perhaps MJ in its hemp form is better used as a textile product.

Personally, I think that the natural law theory is a little shaky. If I were to vote today, I would vote for legalization. However, I am not asked to legislate today and the jury is still out (I can be persuaded otherwise). So…

What are your thoughts about the distinction between alcohol vs. MJ and the natural law?
 
You realize I’m not disagreeing with you, right? For the record, no I do not have much knowledge in either chemistry or distilling, and I would set the distinction between tipsy and tanked as somewhere between 1 and 6 beers per hour.
Thank you for the clarification.
 
I believe your claim is false. Alcohol is just as dangerous and MJ, perhaps MORE dangerous when it comes to people subject to violent behavior.
It really only seems that way because alcohol is legal, while marijuana isn’t. If marijuana was as available as alcohol is today, crime rates would skyrocket and it would easily displace alcohol.

It should be noted - there is no country, none whatsoever, in the world that has legal marijuana. Yes, I wrote this correctly. Yes I’m aware of cases like the Netherlands. But even in nations like the Netherlands, the use of pot is greatly restricted to a specific place, for a specific period of time. You cannot walk down the streets of Amsterdam smoking pot.
 
It really only seems that way because alcohol is legal, while marijuana isn’t. If marijuana was as available as alcohol is today, crime rates would skyrocket and it would easily displace alcohol.

It should be noted - there is no country, none whatsoever, in the world that has legal marijuana. Yes, I wrote this correctly. Yes I’m aware of cases like the Netherlands. But even in nations like the Netherlands, the use of pot is greatly restricted to a specific place, for a specific period of time. You cannot walk down the streets of Amsterdam smoking pot.
Aside from your own personal opinion, can you prove crime would skyrocket? Can you provide examples of documented instances where MJ was made legal and "crime skyrockted:?

Would you support a law that decriminalized the cultivation and private consumption of MJ?
 
It really only seems that way because alcohol is legal, while marijuana isn’t. If marijuana was as available as alcohol is today, crime rates would skyrocket and it would easily displace alcohol.

It should be noted - there is no country, none whatsoever, in the world that has legal marijuana. Yes, I wrote this correctly. Yes I’m aware of cases like the Netherlands. But even in nations like the Netherlands, the use of pot is greatly restricted to a specific place, for a specific period of time. You cannot walk down the streets of Amsterdam smoking pot.
scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=portugal-drug-decriminalization
 
It really only seems that way because alcohol is legal, while marijuana isn’t. If marijuana was as available as alcohol is today, crime rates would skyrocket and it would easily displace alcohol.

It should be noted - there is no country, none whatsoever, in the world that has legal marijuana. Yes, I wrote this correctly. Yes I’m aware of cases like the Netherlands. But even in nations like the Netherlands, the use of pot is greatly restricted to a specific place, for a specific period of time. You cannot walk down the streets of Amsterdam smoking pot.
cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=10080
 
It really only seems that way because alcohol is legal, while marijuana isn’t. If marijuana was as available as alcohol is today, crime rates would skyrocket and it would easily displace alcohol.

It should be noted - there is no country, none whatsoever, in the world that has legal marijuana. Yes, I wrote this correctly. Yes I’m aware of cases like the Netherlands. But even in nations like the Netherlands, the use of pot is greatly restricted to a specific place, for a specific period of time. You cannot walk down the streets of Amsterdam smoking pot.
nytimes.com/1998/11/29/world/crime-is-key-as-swiss-vote-on-legalizing-hard-drugs.html
 
It really only seems that way because alcohol is legal, while marijuana isn’t. If marijuana was as available as alcohol is today, crime rates would skyrocket and it would easily displace alcohol.

It should be noted - there is no country, none whatsoever, in the world that has legal marijuana. Yes, I wrote this correctly. Yes I’m aware of cases like the Netherlands. But even in nations like the Netherlands, the use of pot is greatly restricted to a specific place, for a specific period of time. You cannot walk down the streets of Amsterdam smoking pot.
americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=11148
 
Yeah, people drink alcohol only because they “enjoy the flavor.” Right. I’m pretty convinced that the only reason people like the taste alcoholic drinks is because of a psychological effect from the alcohol in the first place. So eventually as you get older and you acquire the taste, you do enjoy it. But let’s face it, the alcohol part itself tastes pretty bad, and burns. Go drink some Everclear if you don’t think so.

Alcohol is one of the few drugs where the withdrawal can be lethal. No drugs are without risks, and the legality of MJ isn’t really a moral question IMO. The effects are arguably less “predictable” from person to person though.

Btw, I don’t smoke and have no desire to make MJ legal for personal reasons. (Any time you inhale smoke on purpose, whatever kind, it’s GOT to be bad for your health.) But I think that the underground market that is created by illegal substances must be balanced against the effects those substances have on people.
 
The question is should marijuana be legalized not is it moral. The answer is it should be legalized if the US, a country whose economy is in terrible shape, would like to jail less people (and thus save lots of money), waste less money on police efforts including the hilariously named ‘eradication’ programs, decrease the amount of crime that black markets encourage. The criminalization has in no way stopped the usage of the drug. Criminalization is very costly. From a purely practical standpoint ending the entire War on Drugs is a necessity for a bankrupt nation.

As to whether it is moral or not I’m not entirely sure. But I dont see how people can have a drink to relax or, even only slightly less popular, take a nerve pill to relax, and that be OK but smoke weed is bad. The amount of people taking anti-depression or anxiety medicine is alarming. This is a far greater problem than those who smoke weed to relax, unwind or have fun.
 
The question is should marijuana be legalized not is it moral. The answer is it should be legalized if the US, a country whose economy is in terrible shape, would like to jail less people (and thus save lots of money), waste less money on police efforts including the hilariously named ‘eradication’ programs, decrease the amount of crime that black markets encourage. The criminalization has in no way stopped the usage of the drug. Criminalization is very costly. From a purely practical standpoint ending the entire War on Drugs is a necessity for a bankrupt nation.
As a matter of policy, it’s easy to see the negative effects the War on Drugs has… not just due to illegality, but due to how it’s enforced. However, I wonder if there are any positive effects that are harder to see. Does it benefit us in some more indirect way to do this?

Again to your point about the efficiency of how we’re dealing with this: compare it to how we deal with cigarette smoking. The campaign to get people off cigarettes seems like a much better approach.
 
As a matter of policy, it’s easy to see the negative effects the War on Drugs has… not just due to illegality, but due to how it’s enforced. However, I wonder if there are any positive effects that are harder to see. Does it benefit us in some more indirect way to do this?
I cant think of any. The government cant think of any and they love to spin anything to their advantage. I would tend to think there are none.
Again to your point about the efficiency of how we’re dealing with this: compare it to how we deal with cigarette smoking. The campaign to get people off cigarettes seems like a much better approach.
I think cigarette smoking policy is twisted. The government says they are against it. They highly tax it, thus making lots of money off of it. But they dont make it illegal because they really want smokers in order to get the tax money. Smoking actually saves the government money and this has been thoroughly demonstrated.

Smoking decreased as people became more aware of its dangers and socially it became less acceptable. The government, always wanting to claim credit for everything, then stepped up its efforts which supposedly cause a decrease in smoking. But the rate of smoking seems to have leveled off at 20% which seems to be a common rate in Western nations.
 
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