Should "Cafeteria Catholics" just become Protestant?

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98% of Catholic women use ABC. Many Catholics are not anti gay marriage. Many Catholics do not agree with the teachings of the CC, but b/c they were raised Catholic, they remain Catholic.

Shouldn’t they just become Protestant instead? Or should they remain Catholic despite their belief that the CC is outdated.

btw…I am not talking about abortion here. Please don’t bring this up. Every woman I know that fits the description of Cafeteria Catholic is very anti-abortion.
 
98% of Catholic women use ABC. Many Catholics are not anti gay marriage. Many Catholics do not agree with the teachings of the CC, but b/c they were raised Catholic, they remain Catholic.

Shouldn’t they just become Protestant instead? Or should they remain Catholic despite their belief that the CC is outdated.

btw…I am not talking about abortion here. Please don’t bring this up. Every woman I know that fits the description of Cafeteria Catholic is very anti-abortion.
**Cafeteria Catholics already ARE Protestant. They are those who hold to dissident beliefs and reject Church Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, 20:21-23). **

That’s pretty much what the “Reformers” did . . .
 
Cafeteria Catholics already ARE Protestant. They are those who hold to dissident beliefs and reject Church Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, 20:21-23).

That’s pretty much what the “Reformers” did . . .
But the difference is that they are doing it secretly with no intention of leaving the Catholic Church.
 
But the difference is that they are doing it secretly with no intention of leaving the Catholic Church.
Exactly. I have friends who are like this. Thankfully they have listened to my nagging them about not receiving the Eucharist.

Essentially - that are Protestants who have not left the Church. As for what they SHOULD do - they SHOULD learn their faith so as not to leave. That’s our job as Catholic friends - to counsel them and to pray for them.
 
I wonder how many of the people who take stands different from the Church actually know what the Church teaches and why.

Instead of thinking of ways to make the Church smaller, why not think of ways to get the message out.

My guess – and it is only a guess – is that for most Catholics, formal religious education ended when they were in high school. Confirmation is so often seen as “graduation” from religious education classes.

What kinds of additional formation do parishes offer? In many cases, not much. If they do offer a lecture here or there, it’s not in the context of anything comprehensive.

Unless people educate themselves, they’re not going to know very much about what the Church has to say. Of course they are influenced by the secular culture and the morals of those around them.

I work with RCIA and adult confirmation. I would love to offer more classes for the parish as a whole, but there’s only so much one volunteer can do. What are you doing to help spread the word?
 
I already have a post going on this very topic… it seems the best thing to do would be to pray for them and educate them on church teachings.
 
98% of Catholic women use ABC. Many Catholics are not anti gay marriage. Many Catholics do not agree with the teachings of the CC, but b/c they were raised Catholic, they remain Catholic.

Shouldn’t they just become Protestant instead? Or should they remain Catholic despite their belief that the CC is outdated.

btw…I am not talking about abortion here. Please don’t bring this up. Every woman I know that fits the description of Cafeteria Catholic is very anti-abortion.
Protestants are more than bad-faith Catholics.
 
Homilies addressing where “cafeterianism” comes from and why it’s incorrect, would help.
 
Excellent point, Oriel. Father Corapi himself has said on more than one occasion: “better to be a good Protestant than a lousy Catholic…”

It is insulting to Protestants implying that they don’t have moral standards, ethics, and high expectations for their lives. Like all religions, you have your good, bad, and the ugly…
Protestants are more than bad-faith Catholics.
 
98% of Catholic women use ABC. Many Catholics are not anti gay marriage. Many Catholics do not agree with the teachings of the CC, but b/c they were raised Catholic, they remain Catholic.

Shouldn’t they just become Protestant instead? Or should they remain Catholic despite their belief that the CC is outdated.

btw…I am not talking about abortion here. Please don’t bring this up. Every woman I know that fits the description of Cafeteria Catholic is very anti-abortion.
i wouldnt say they should become protestant…imagine how god would feel about you telling people to leave his church and go elsewhere?..

all you can try and do with these people is try to educate them in a loving non confrontational way on whatever things that conflict with catholic teaching,

and at the end of the day these folk have free will, you cant force your views on them so all you can do is pray for them and leave them in gods hands asking that he work a miracle on them:D
 
The problem with cafeteria Catholics is that many of them think they can be devout Catholics but still vote for people who are pro abortion and support planned parenthood. They don’t believe in birth control and they openly support gay marriage. I have had one tell me that the bible is not the word of God, but stories that are not true. Yet, they consider themselves devout when they don’t follow the teachings of the Catholic church. They love the world more then Christ and choose to serve the god of being politically correct then to stand up for the true Catholic faith. I pray for them everyday that they will have a full conversion to the true Catholic faith.

Our church is in crisis right now because we have lots of Catholics being deceived by the liberation theology/collective salvation that our Pope has warned Catholics is false teachings and to reject. You also have the problem that good Catholics don’t want to stand up to those brothers and sisters who reject the teachings of the church, but still want to call themselves Catholics. We have Bishops who want to deny those Catholics who are in sin Holy Communion, but we have priests who still give them Holy Communion. We must have the courage to stand up to those who we know are in sin and hope that by denying them Holy Communion because of their sin, that it will bring them to repentence. Like the Amish shun those in their membership who sin, knowing that they will repent; we as Catholics must have the courage to tell them they are in sin and pray and encourage them to repent and get right with God and the church.

I know that there are people who will not agree with me, but that is ok. We must choose who we are going to serve. Are we going to serve Christ or the world. When we choose to be politically correct over following Christ and the teaching of the true Catholic church then we have chosen the world over Christ and our Catholic faith. I choose Christ and the true Catholic church as my master, and stand up for christ and our faith, even if it means people make fun of me, mock me, or say mean and terrible things. The world rejected Christ and it will reject those of us who love and serve Christ in the world today.

If they are not going to live or believe the teachings of the Catholic church then maybe they should just become Protestant instead of being allowed to spread their leven of false teaching in the church today.
 
Some Catholics are not one-issue voters and they realize life is more complicated than one issue…jobs, wars, economics, unions, foreign policy, education, immigration, and so many other things are on the table…just because someone doesn’t vote the hardline conservative voting pattern doesn’t “cafeteriasize” them
The problem with cafeteria Catholics is that many of them think they can be devout Catholics but still vote for people who are pro abortion and support planned parenthood. They don’t believe in birth control and they openly support gay marriage. I have had one tell me that the bible is not the word of God, but stories that are not true. Yet, they consider themselves devout when they don’t follow the teachings of the Catholic church. They love the world more then Christ and choose to serve the god of being politically correct then to stand up for the true Catholic faith. I pray for them everyday that they will have a full conversion to the true Catholic faith.

Our church is in crisis right now because we have lots of Catholics being deceived by the liberation theology/collective salvation that our Pope has warned Catholics is false teachings and to reject. You also have the problem that good Catholics don’t want to stand up to those brothers and sisters who reject the teachings of the church, but still want to call themselves Catholics. We have Bishops who want to deny those Catholics who are in sin Holy Communion, but we have priests who still give them Holy Communion. We must have the courage to stand up to those who we know are in sin and hope that by denying them Holy Communion because of their sin, that it will bring them to repentence. Like the Amish shun those in their membership who sin, knowing that they will repent; we as Catholics must have the courage to tell them they are in sin and pray and encourage them to repent and get right with God and the church.

I know that there are people who will not agree with me, but that is ok. We must choose who we are going to serve. Are we going to serve Christ or the world. When we choose to be politically correct over following Christ and the teaching of the true Catholic church then we have chosen the world over Christ and our Catholic faith. I choose Christ and the true Catholic church as my master, and stand up for christ and our faith, even if it means people make fun of me, mock me, or say mean and terrible things. The world rejected Christ and it will reject those of us who love and serve Christ in the world today.

If they are not going to live or believe the teachings of the Catholic church then maybe they should just become Protestant instead of being allowed to spread their leven of false teaching in the church today.
 
The problem with cafeteria Catholics is that many of them think they can be devout Catholics but still vote for people who are pro abortion and support planned parenthood. They don’t believe in birth control and they openly support gay marriage. I have had one tell me that the bible is not the word of God, but stories that are not true. Yet, they consider themselves devout when they don’t follow the teachings of the Catholic church. They love the world more then Christ and choose to serve the god of being politically correct then to stand up for the true Catholic faith. I pray for them everyday that they will have a full conversion to the true Catholic faith.

Our church is in crisis right now because we have lots of Catholics being deceived by the liberation theology/collective salvation that our Pope has warned Catholics is false teachings and to reject. You also have the problem that good Catholics don’t want to stand up to those brothers and sisters who reject the teachings of the church, but still want to call themselves Catholics. We have Bishops who want to deny those Catholics who are in sin Holy Communion, but we have priests who still give them Holy Communion. We must have the courage to stand up to those who we know are in sin and hope that by denying them Holy Communion because of their sin, that it will bring them to repentence. Like the Amish shun those in their membership who sin, knowing that they will repent; we as Catholics must have the courage to tell them they are in sin and pray and encourage them to repent and get right with God and the church.

I know that there are people who will not agree with me, but that is ok. We must choose who we are going to serve. Are we going to serve Christ or the world. When we choose to be politically correct over following Christ and the teaching of the true Catholic church then we have chosen the world over Christ and our Catholic faith. I choose Christ and the true Catholic church as my master, and stand up for christ and our faith, even if it means people make fun of me, mock me, or say mean and terrible things. The world rejected Christ and it will reject those of us who love and serve Christ in the world today.

If they are not going to live or believe the teachings of the Catholic church then maybe they should just become Protestant instead of being allowed to spread their leven of false teaching in the church today.
I’m deeply insulted that you assume that the characteristics you decry are somehow characteristics of Protestantism.
 
The late Cardinal John O’Conner said: “The Catholic Church is not a salad bar; you can not pick and choose what you want to believe”.

CCC 2089
Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it.

Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same;

Schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.

The Doctrine of the Faith (Church Dogma) is contained in the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition”. We all have an obligation to read it, and later use it for reference as needed.
 
IMO, our priests should be more encouraging of talking about NFP during Mass and the inclusion of stories about children. I believe the homilies should speak to children. Small babies have led many parents back to their faith and to the Church.

Talking about Theology of the Body during Homilies would help. Talks about chastity in dating relationships would help.

Catholic mate selection in homilies would help.

And I know, it’s difficult for priests to “great real” with an entire congregation, particularly when they remain single - yet counsel individuals & families.

Perhaps this is best for laity in the apostolate.

But, I know in our parish, the Church held a NFP meeting, and no one from the parish attended.

It’s a problem.
 
Wow.

By this standard, I would have been thrown out years ago, when I had lost my way and was not living my faith. Even though I struggled then, I always felt deeply that I was Catholic. Today, I live my faith a lot better, but not perfectly. No where near perfectly.

Are we talking about shunning people who are on a faith journey which is not complete? Or just avowed dissidents?
 
98% of Catholic women use ABC. Many Catholics are not anti gay marriage. Many Catholics do not agree with the teachings of the CC, but b/c they were raised Catholic, they remain Catholic.

Shouldn’t they just become Protestant instead? Or should they remain Catholic despite their belief that the CC is outdated.
Good question…you might recall the case of the United Church of Canada where a liberal clergy took a more conservative membership along for the ride down the road to more openess/liberalism. That caused me to wonder as to what degree the leadership should determine the policies for the church (when the vast majority of the church’s membership lies outside of the leadership). In your CC an opposite situation exists in that it seems that a more liberal membership would like the Catholic hierarchy to loosen up. It seems that in Canada (particularly Quebec) that the majority of Catholics do not actually believe that the official teachings of the Catholic Church are w/o error. The Vatican says believe “A” and do “B” and the typical Canadian Catholic believes that he has the option to believe “not-A” and do “not-B”…so who “owns” the Catholic Church? Why should the majority leave? Why shouldn’t the majority stay and resolve to cause the hierarchy to change (starting with an acknowledgement that its official teachings contain error)?

I note that you have young kids…if they aren’t home or private schooled you will likely have a very hard time finding a school where they will not be taught that “gay is OK”. (Let’s not get into that issue/discussion either) IMHO, in Canada that view is being instilled in the next generation and whether you are a conservative Protestant (who believes in inerrant scriptures) or a conservative Catholic (who believes in an infallible magisterium) that view undercuts both conservative positions. That view and other views are chipping away at conservative Christianity …I don’t see how conservative Christianity (that wants to hold to inerrancy/infallibility) avoids a showdown with a more liberal majority…unless the majority leaves (but from the majority’s POV, why should they leave (if they still find value in the religion)?.
 
Some Catholics are not one-issue voters and they realize life is more complicated than one issue…jobs, wars, economics, unions, foreign policy, education, immigration, and so many other things are on the table…just because someone doesn’t vote the hardline conservative voting pattern doesn’t “cafeteriasize” them
Unfortunately, this type of thinking is why California is in such a mess, and based upon their elected officials at the Federal level, they try to force this upon the rest of the Country.

The right to live from conception until natural death is the single most important issue there is.
Without life nothing none of the other issues would even matter.

Abortion is a crime against humanity - both the natural and moral laws.
It deprives the most innocent and most helpless of their God given right to life.
It is murder for convenience.
It violates God’s 5th Commandment - Thou shall not kill.
Over 50 million babies have been murdered in the US - this is GENOCIDE.

Any politican who supports abortion has no sense of ethics or the moral or natural laws, and should never be elected or re-elected.
If they do not have a sense of the moral and natural laws, then their other decisions will be warped based upon a false god of money, desire for power, greed, etc.
 
I wonder how many of the people who take stands different from the Church actually know what the Church teaches and why.

Instead of thinking of ways to make the Church smaller, why not think of ways to get the message out.

My guess – and it is only a guess – is that for most Catholics, formal religious education ended when they were in high school. Confirmation is so often seen as “graduation” from religious education classes.

What kinds of additional formation do parishes offer? In many cases, not much. If they do offer a lecture here or there, it’s not in the context of anything comprehensive.

Unless people educate themselves, they’re not going to know very much about what the Church has to say. Of course they are influenced by the secular culture and the morals of those around them.

I work with RCIA and adult confirmation. I would love to offer more classes for the parish as a whole, but there’s only so much one volunteer can do. What are you doing to help spread the word?
You have touched on a HUGE problem within the Catholic church: the lack of continuing religious formation. In most places that I have observed, any formal education (and often it isn’t very “formal”) ends by the junior year of high school or sooner, depending on when young people are confirmed.

I have surveyed several Catholic parishes, mostly by talking to parishioners, reading their bulletins and checking their websites. There is an amazing lack of adult faith formation. Compare that to most Protestant and Jewish faiths, and the Catholic church is woefully behind.

I have brought this question up with several priests, catechists and others. Most don’t realize there is a problem, and some point to what they do offer, which is usually on a week day, not in the evening or on a weekend. So the only people who can attend are the unemployed and retirees!

I have even tried to find programs on a diocesan level, and have found only a few offerings which may require driving 40 or 50 miles to attend. And most of those are also offered only during the day.

There are several causes for “cafeteria Catholics”, one of them being that anyone who is baptized into the Church is “Catholic” no matter what they believe or what they have been taught. That is like giving out a diploma to someone who never read a book or took a class.

But the biggest reason for the variety of beliefs and misinformation is simply that Catholics are not educated in their faith. And, unfortunately, most don’t care to be, as I have heard from priests and DRE’s who have tried to offer programs to adults and got few if any takers. Apparently most adult Catholics have no interest in truly forming and understanding their faith.

Here is a little secret. Many years ago, I was an instructor for my former parish’s Confirmation program (a scary thought for those who have read some of my posts). At Confirmation, the catechists for the final year (I did the first year) were asked to declare to the parish, the Bishop and the parents that the students were prepared to be confirmed. I told the DRE that it was a good thing that I was not asked to make this statement, as I would have had to say they weren’t ready (or that only one or two of my 12 or 14 students were ready).

These young people were confirmed yet for the most part had no real understanding of their church or its key doctrines. Why would we expect that to change when they became adults?
 
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