Should Catholics concern themselves with reforming Islam

  • Thread starter Thread starter codefro
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
benjamindt said:
i thought the question was about reforming islam, not fighting islamic invaders of the holy land, or did i miss something?

nevertheless, here are some resources i believe could help you.

shop.catholic.com/the-real-story-of-the-crusades-set.html

shop.catholic.com/the-glory-of-the-crusades-set.html
Click to expand...
Religious wars are the outcome of not communicating and/or refusing to understand the other religions perspective. The Crusades was one example.

War is an inevitable outcome of going too far. We should not be meddling in the Doctrines of another faith.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
Religious wars are the outcome of not communicating and/or refusing to understand the other religions perspective. The Crusades was one example.

War is an inevitable outcome of going too far. We should not be meddling in the Doctrines of another faith.
Click to expand...
You really should use those resources I mentioned about the crusades if you think the part played by European Christians was anything other than a response to an invasion by Islamic armies.

The crusades were not a result of miscommunication or refusing to understand Islam, that is absurd and completely false and I think you ought to learn more about the crusades before you teach others this completely incorrect understanding of the crusades.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
I chose Other because we are part of the global community and we can at least have the discussion amongst ourselves and with other faith communities such as we do on here.

However, I do not think we need to be “reforming” their institutions, clerics, doctrines etc. The CC gets enough people trying to meddle/reform/modernise our doctrines, why would we do the same to another religion?

We have already had the Crusades, let’s not go there again.

Remember it’s not only Islam under attack, christianity is under attack too and as we have seen in some attacks, Judaism is also under attack.
Click to expand...
Salutations,
The crusades have started when the radicals started killing the Christians in the area. They are the symbolic Jerusalem. Our bombing sorties are substitutes for the templer Knights. The big difference is the goal is not to protect pilgrims on their journey to the Holy Land and keep the Holy Land in Christian control. The goal is to stop the genecide of the local Christians and prevent the forced spread of Islam across the globe.
Islamic Prophecy: when all the mideast countries are in an uproar (the Arab spring) the 12th prophet will arise (the great MAHADI) and they will overtake the world in a total theocracy of Islam=the Caliphate. So, who is the great Mahadi??? Surely we should look to Iran.
COME LORD, JESUS COME.
in Christ’s love
Tweedlealice 🤷
 
benjamindt said:
You really should use those resources I mentioned about the crusades if you think the part played by European Christians was anything other than a response to an invasion by Islamic armies.

The crusades were not a result of miscommunication or refusing to understand Islam, that is absurd and completely false and I think you ought to learn more about the crusades before you teach others this completely incorrect understanding of the crusades.
Click to expand...
Don’t patronise me benjamindt, I know what the Crusades were about and why they started.

Stick to the OP topic. If we interfere with another religions faith (particularly Islam) we will be inviting another religious war, that is my point.

The Crusades were a religious war was it not? Why it started is irrelevant.
 
SAVINGRACE said:
Don’t patronise me benjamindt, I know what the Crusades were about and why they started.

Stick to the OP topic. If we interfere with another religions faith (particularly Islam) we will be inviting another religious war, that is my point.

The Crusades were a religious war was it not? Why it started is irrelevant.
Click to expand...
I wasn’t patronizing you, I was attempting to offer some resources to help you better understand a topic.

You are wrong about the Crusades being a war of religions, it was a war over an invasion and the defensive response by the Europeans. The Europeans were Christian, but they were not fighting Islam because Christians wanted to intervene/change/reform or destroy Islam, and it certainly didn’t happen because they were misunderstanding Islam. It wouldn’t have mattered if it were muslims, buddhists, pagans, atheists or martians invading the holy land and attacking pilgrims traveling to the Holy Land, they would have responded the same way.

So yes, the reasons do matter, yes, the causes do matter, and you’re right, we should stick to the topic, and the topic has nothing to do with religious wars or wars of any kind. Islam isn’t invading the world because we’re trying to help reform the religion, they’re invading the world for the same reason we’re trying to spread the gospel, because our founders demand it of us.

The topic was should we HELP REFORM Islam, not should we fight a war against them, and I wasn’t the one who brought up the crusades, I just responded to your improper statements about a highly misunderstood era.
 
It’s not so much a reformation as it is a desire to stamp it out. That’s the sentiment I keep hearing from christians.
 
Jarek, we know of Latin ties to kings and imperialism.

But the Vatican is on its own land and not beholden to any country now. I want to study the papal states vs the holy Roman empire.

I spend more time discussing or explaining my faith against misconceptions by Protestants.

But it is tragic to see the Schism. On one hand, I wish I could see our clergy blessing our jets and ships and having an adoration chapel installed in our submarines like I am seeing happening in Russia. On the other hand, I am inclined to agree there is alot more anti Catholic sentiment in the Orthodox. I have read differences laid out and the differences do not justify we have it all wrong, we are heretics, etc.
 
drac16 said:
It’s not so much a reformation as it is a desire to stamp it out. That’s the sentiment I keep hearing from christians.
Click to expand...
yeah, isn’t it crazy how all those bishops and the pope keep getting on their soap boxes and preaching that we should stamp out Islam. Crazy how pervasive it is. I wish Christianity could be as tolerant as Islam.
 
drac16 said:
It’s not so much a reformation as it is a desire to stamp it out. That’s the sentiment I keep hearing from christians.
Click to expand...
Having spent a lot of time on CAF, I can tell you that the same kind of sentiment can be found on threads about Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism … heck, even threads about Christianity: if I started a thread about something crazy that was said by an Orthodox or Protestant Christian, you can bet that before too long some Catholic poster would say “There shouldn’t be all those other Christian groups. All Christians should be Catholic.” or whatnot.
 
I would think it would be better to convert Islam - from the Christian perspective, Islam is the Arian heresy writ large and as such there’s not much there to salvage in the religion itself.
 
benjohnson said:
I would think it would be better to convert Islam - from the Christian perspective, Islam is the Arian heresy writ large and as such there’s not much there to salvage in the religion itself.
Click to expand...
I seriously doubt that anyone here would deny that Islam is a non-Christian religion. (Granted, I’m as bothered as the next guy by the way people are always talking about “non-Catholic religions”.)
 
Seems to me it would be more helpful to proselytise them to Catholicism.
 
The real issue is totalitarianism as laid out in Sharia Law. The other is Islam’s destruction of Christian countries.

It took the Church 400 years to finally call for the Crusades because of pilgrims killed by Seljuk Turks and bad sultans that came about from time to time. I am reading history that also puts the Crusades and others who fought against Islam and saved Europe from it.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top