Should Catholics support new laws on banning certain fashions?

[edwest2]

Human beings are blessed with the capacity to reason and self control. Perhaps you should excercise some since it’s so tempting “whenever you see a woman dressed provocatively”. Especially since everyone has different opinions on what might be ‘provocative’. What might be provocative to you may not be to someone else.

That is total relativism. If we are actually a community of believers, all parties are responsible - men and women. Not the - “No. It’s your problem.” “No, it’s your problem.”

Somehow, men and women know how to be provocative so don’t spread the baloney that they don’t know or that we can’t figure it out.

The Catholic Community, at least, should act like a community and work together.

It’s time to wake up.

Ed

 

[KendraDZ1902]

I live near a college. Just posting what I see when the winter coats come off.

The yoga pants are very popular.

Women also shouldn’t wear leggings when their top doesn’t cover their bottoms. We shouldn’t make LAWS against it though. Should we make laws against things men wear? I was a quote on Pinterest the other day that said, “A well-tailored suit is to women what lingerie is to men.” Should we ban well-tailored suits? The phrase, “sky’s out, thighs out” isn’t talking about women, it is talking about men. Should we contact Ralph Lauren and tell him that he needs to make men’s inseams longer? NO! The OP needs to have a chit chat with his priest and learn to control himself.

 

[Kamaduck]

That is total relativism. If we are actually a community of believers, all parties are responsible - men and women. Not the - “No. It’s your problem.” “No, it’s your problem.”

Somehow, men and women know how to be provocative so don’t spread the baloney that they don’t know or that we can’t figure it out.

The Catholic Community, at least, should act like a community and work together.

It’s time to wake up.

Teaching Catholics to dress modestly =/= outlawing yoga pants.

 

[aspirant]

Violating women? Excuse me? Me masturbating is only violating myself.

Your choice to objectify women is a violation of their intrinsic dignity.

You also previously compared women getting raped to men masturbating.

Both are rooted in the objectification of other persons.

Do you think rape victims would appreciate your disrespectful comparison on masturbation with women getting raped?

I know victims of sexual assault who heartily agree that both actions are rooted in the objectification of other persons.

 

[Aviatrix]

I’m hesitant to respond since this seems like a troll…

The only one responsible for your sin is YOU. Women are not responsible for your sin. Your are an adult and are thus responsible for your own actions. What makes you think you would have the right to control others when you can’t control yourself? If we legislate modest dress on women, I’m afraid we’re going to have to outlaw cowboy outfits on men too, since those tempt me to sin.

Or, why don’t we just make masturbating against the law? Makes as much sense, no?

 

[Rozellelily]

No.Making laws isn’t the answer.India,Saudi Arabia etc statistically women dress more modestly but that hasn’t stopped men from experiencing lust or unwanted sexual desire etc.While laws aren’t the answer,I do think that society could benefit with more discussions around the areas of modesty,lust,sexual control difficulties etc and that affected men shouldn’t be left to deal with their burdens alone.

 

[Aviatrix]

While laws aren’t the answer,I do think that society could benefit with more discussions around the areas of modesty,lust,sexual control difficulties etc and that affected men shouldn’t be left to deal with their burdens alone.

Definitely agreed! The type of masculine culture that prevents men (or anyone, really) from accessing resources and help with these issues, as well as physical and psychological issues can be quite harmful.

 

[severus68]

Perhaps the motive of the woman needs to be considered. If a woman dresses provocatively in order to provoke, then **she’s getting what she asked for.
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But fashion being what it is…I would not want to necessarily presume that conclusion.

Your words I placed in bold - I hope you didn’t mean that women who get raped ask for it depending on how they dress?

 

[severus68]

Assuming for the sake of your example that eating ice cream was a sin (it’s not), being tempted would not be a sin. Feeling hungry would not be a sin. Feeling one’s mouth water after seeing the ice cream would not be a sin. Deliberately willing to eat the ice cream (whether one ate it or not) would be the sin. Willing to eat the ice cream would be my own choice, my own sin, my own fault.

The elements of your reaction that are deliberately chosen, yes. Hunger and mouthwatering are not deliberately chosen reactions, but willing to eat would be.

We are the subjects of our own actions. Regardless what other people do, good or evil, other people cannot choose our actions for us. In the words of Karol Wojtyla:

The culpability for my deliberate bad choices is mine. “I confess to almighty God, and to you, my brothers and sisters, that I have greatly sinned in my thoughts and in my words, in what I have done, and in what I have failed to do, through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault.”

Well said.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by KendraDZ1902
Women also shouldn’t wear leggings when their top doesn’t cover their bottoms. We shouldn’t make LAWS against it though. Should we make laws against things men wear?

There will be no laws.

Yet women are different. They have long hair, wear makeup and when they want to look good, they dress for it. It is just the way it is. In a culture where sex sells just about everything, how can you say women don’t get it.

Men should be accountable for their actions. I am not denying that but so should women.

 

[severus68]

Violating women? Excuse me? Me masturbating is only violating myself. You make some very outrageous accusations…accusations that might be considered slander in certain jurisdictions.

You also previously compared women getting raped to men masturbating. You do realize how sexist you sound? Do you think rape victims would appreciate your disrespectful comparison on masturbation with women getting raped?

Since you have this problem, why then did you start a thread on the sexual behaviour of husbands and wives using graphic words I would never use?.

 

[severus68]

Since you have this problem, why then did you start a thread on the sexual behaviour of husbands and wives using graphic words I would never use?.

And another thread on “Watching sex scenes and porn”?

The OP is a troll or has serious problems.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by severus68

The OP is a troll or has serious problem.

He may be a troll but many men deal with this issue. I know men who go regularly by the college just to see the pretty girls.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

Women are different. They have long hair, wear makeup and when they want to look good, they dress for it. It is just the way it is. In a culture where sex sells just about everything, how can you say women don’t get it.

Men should be accountable for their actions. I am not denying that but so should women.

Did you not read the whole post? I agree that women should be held accountable for lusting after men, just like men should be held accountable. The OP wants to ban women’s clothing, but not men’s clothing. My post was stating that that some women become aroused from what men wear, but the OP doesn’t want to ban their clothing, just women’s.

 

[severus68]

He may be a troll but many men deal with this issue. I know men who go regularly by the college just to see the pretty girls.

Looking at pretty girls is not in itself wrong. Objectifying and lustng after them is.

 

[gam197]

originally posted** by KendraDZ1902**
My post was stating that that some women become aroused from what men wear, but the OP doesn’t want to ban their clothing, just women’s.

I read your post.

Women do like men. Agreed, but I still it is more the other way. Women are used to sell just about any product and that is not just be chance. Attractive women especially like to dress well. They get lots of attention for it not only from men but from other women.

Ironically in animals, it is usually the male who is more colorful so that the males become prey first yet in humans, it is reverse with the females who are most attractive.

originally posted by severus68
Looking at pretty girls is not in itself wrong. Objectifying and lustng after them is.

It is not about the face. Why would men purposely go by the college to see what the girls are wearing?

 

[severus68]

I read your post.

Women do like men. Agreed, but I still it is more the other way. Women are used to sell just about any product and that is not just be chance. Attractive women especially like to dress well. They get lots of attention for it not only from men but from other women.

Ironically in animals, it is usually the male who is more colorful so that the males become prey first yet in humans, it is reverse with the females who are most attractive.

It is not about the face. Why would men purposely go by the college to see what the girls are wearing?

What point are you trying to make please?

 

[KendraDZ1902]

People don’t get to choose their looks, unless they buy them. I know of homely looking women who try to dress to attract men.
Just because a women is pretty doesn’t mean that she is trying to turn men on.
I dress rather preppy, if a man is turned on my seeing me in a floral shift dress and a pair of sandals, well that is HIS problem. NOT MINE.
This whole mentality of, “she made me do it, it isn’t my fault,” is for the birds!! Unless a women blatantly comes on to you, it is your fault for the thoughts in your head, not hers.

 

[Walking_Home]

Originally Posted by severus68
Since you have this problem, why then did you start a thread on the sexual behaviour of husbands and wives using graphic words I would never use?.

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Agree.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by severus68
What point are you trying to make please?

Women will say over and over that it is all the man’s fault for even thinking about sex when they see a women wearing scant clothing. Women do this to look attractive as dictated by the cultural standard. Women deny this.

originally posted by KendraDZ1902
People don’t get to choose their looks, unless they buy them. I know of homely looking women who try to dress to attract men.
Just because a women is pretty doesn’t mean that she is trying to turn men on.
I dress rather preppy, if a man is turned on my seeing me in a floral shift dress and a pair of sandals, well that is HIS problem. NOT MINE.

Homely women do dress to attract men but they look have a long way to go and probably will never get there.

Preppy is not going to attract men either.

It is the attractive girl/women who dresses to attract men, that men look at. I am not saying she only dresses to attract men, some dress to get attention from other women but it sure doesn’t help males.