Should Catholics support new laws on banning certain fashions?

[Walking_Home]

People don’t get to choose their looks, unless they buy them. I know of homely looking women who try to dress to attract men.
Just because a women is pretty doesn’t mean that she is trying to turn men on.
I dress rather preppy, if a man is turned on my seeing me in a floral shift dress and a pair of sandals, well that is HIS problem. NOT MINE.
This whole mentality of, “she made me do it, it isn’t my fault,” is for the birds!! Unless a women blatantly comes on to you, it is your fault for the thoughts in your head, not hers.

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[Walking_Home]

Originally Posted by Melek
It’s a lot more complex than that. Most rape cases don’t happen because of fashion. However, many masturbation cases happen because of fashion. The comparison was very inappropriate.

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[KendraDZ1902]

Women will say over and over that it is all the man’s fault for even thinking about sex when they see a women wearing scant clothing. Women do this to look attractive as dictated by the cultural standard. Women deny this.

Homely women do dress to attract men but they look have a long way to go and probably will never get there.

Preppy is not going to attract men either.

It is the attractive girl/women who dresses to attract that men look at. I am not saying she only dresses to attract men, some dress to get attention from other women but it sure doesn’t help males.

YOU don’t think preppy dressed women are attractive. My husband finds it attractive. All the men I dated found that style attractive, that is why they dated me.
Jackie Kennedy was a very attractive women and her style was preppy. I’m sure a lot of men found her attractive and I’m sure a lot of men had immoral thoughts about her. I doubt she meant for that to happen.
The street walker style you may find attractive, yes they are trying to pick up men. Not every man likes your style of women. That is why it is the MAN’S falut for his immoral thoughts unless the women is BLATANTLY coming on to you.
What don’t you understand? When you die and you are standing there in front of the Lord are you going to say, “The girl in the yoga pants at such-and-such college, that’s her fault.” or “It isn’t my fault that I had immoral thoughts about that girl. She’s the one who was wearing the tennis outfit, leaving tennis practice.” Give me a break.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by KendraDZ1902
The street walker style you may find attractive,

No offense intended by my comment on preppy style. I am not talking about the street walker either.

I am talking about the regular girl who wears a short skirt as she has great legs combined with a tight blouse or such. She has a great shape and she wants others to appreciate it.

Women are in denial that they do this.

 

[Walking_Home]

YOU don’t think preppy dressed women are attractive. My husband finds it attractive. All the men I dated found that style attractive, that is why they dated me.
Jackie Kennedy was a very attractive women and her style was preppy. I’m sure a lot of men found her attractive and I’m sure a lot of men had immoral thoughts about her. I doubt she meant for that to happen.
The street walker style you may find attractive, yes they are trying to pick up men. Not every man likes your style of women. That is why it is the MAN’S falut for his immoral thoughts unless the women is BLATANTLY coming on to you.
What don’t you understand? When you die and you are standing there in front of the Lord are you going to say, “The girl in the yoga pants at such-and-such college, that’s her fault.” or “It isn’t my fault that I had immoral thoughts about that girl. She’s the one who was wearing the tennis outfit, leaving tennis practice.” Give me a break.

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Yep – It is much easier-- for some to point the finger and turn women into scapegoats --than to take responsibility for their own lustful thoughts.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

No offense intended by my comment on preppy style. I am not talking about the street walker either.

I am talking about the regular girl who wears a short skirt as she has great legs combined with a tight blouse or such. She has a great shape and she wants others to appreciate it.

Women are in denial that they do this.

I’m not offended.
It is just that you may have immoral thoughts about the chick with legs for days in the mini-skirt, but not every man likes that. If every man did like that, then I wouldn’t have a chance since I’m only 5 foot. LOL.
The OP wants to ban yoga pants, you have a hard time with nice legs and a mini-skirt. Another man finds the chick who wears dog collars and black to be hot.
Unless you know for certain that the chick is purposefully dressing to entice men, then she isn’t doing anything wrong. Everyone on this planet tries to dress their best. You won’t ever see me leave my house unpresentable. You won’t see me wearing sweat pants and a hoodie out and about. I’m sure some man some where gets hot and heavy seeing it though. You have to control yourself. I will never ever wear a burka. Period. There are men who like that though. YOU have to answer for what YOU do. No if’s, and’s, or but’s about it.

 

[Melek]

Did you not read the whole post? I agree that women should be held accountable for lusting after men, just like men should be held accountable. The OP wants to ban women’s clothing, but not men’s clothing. My post was stating that that some women become aroused from what men wear, but the OP doesn’t want to ban their clothing, just women’s.

Where did I say that? Please point that out.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

Where did I say that? Please point that out.

Um…you are saying that you are having a problem with women and yoga pants and having certain, um, urges. I don’t think I read anything about you being for banning men’s attire…
I think you just want to argue.

 

[Melek]

Um…you are saying that you are having a problem with women and yoga pants and having certain, um, urges. I don’t think I read anything about you being for banning men’s attire…
I think you just want to argue.

Actually I did say earlier in this thread that I would be for restricting men’s clothing too if it helped.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

Actually I did say earlier in this thread that I would be for restricting men’s clothing too if it helped.

I didn’t see that, oopsies.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by KendraDZ1902
Unless you know for certain that the chick is purposefully dressing to entice men, then she isn’t doing anything wrong.

I am saying it is cultural. I am not sure girls/women are even aware when they do it but they do because it is deemed attractive by society.I did the same when I was younger. My daughters did the same even though I was constantly throwing away their clothes.

That may sound extreme but I didn’t want my daughters’ butts hanging out even if it was the style.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

That may sound extreme but I didn’t want my daughters’ butts hanging out even if it was the style.

I would deem that street walker fashion and it is a no-no. lol.

 

[gam197]

originally posted by KendraDZ1902
I would deem that street walker fashion and it is a no-no. lol.

It is not street walker fashion, no more than a bikini at a beach. Style is style in every generation and young girls go with it - today it is yoga pants. You could put some girls in paper bags and they would still look sexy. Again I think girl/women do dress to attract.

 

[George_Stegmeir]

Melek, I have read all of your arguments, counter arguments and comments. What I am about to say is not from a lack of charity, but from a sense of history.
Considering your moral stance, I think you are living in the wrong era. Based on your arguments and with your desire to regulate fashions and morals, I think you would have been much happier living in Nazi Germany during the 1930’s.
There was order and discipline in their society. Unfortunately for the Germans and their conquored neighbors, there were also concentration camps, such as Dachau and Belsen that were originally set up, not so much for Jews, or as death factories, but to handle and “re-educate” social deviates, which included those who dressed immodestly, or listened to degenerate American Jazz, as well as Quakers because they were pacifists, Jehovah’s Witnesses because they refused to recognize civil authority, and Catholic priests who preached against the paganism and free love spas espoused by the Nazis.
Even though you espouse Catholicism, I think you would have been moew comfortable in such a society, because your own behavior would be regulated and you would not have any personal responsibility for it.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

It is not street walker fashion, no more than a bikini at a beach. Style is style in every generation and young girls go with it - today it is yoga pants. You could put some girls in paper bags and they would still look sexy. Again I think girl/women do dress to attract.

I think showing your butt cheeks is trashy. My butt doesn’t even hang out of my swim suit. I do find some bathing suits risque. I wouldn’t wear them. That doesn’t mean that I would want the government to BAN them. That is what this thread is about. The OP wants to BAN certain styles/trends. While I find certian trends to be horrible and I wouldn’t dare leave my home in them, it doesn’t mean that they should be banned and it doesn’t mean the little boys who can’t control themselves get to blame everything on us girls. Will the girl who doesn’t dress modest have to account for that? Sure. The boy who couldn’t control himself from masterbating will have to account for his action too.
When I try on clothes at the mall, I do say, “does this look good?” I don’t want to look fat in my clothes, I don’t want a color that isn’t flattering. That doesn’t mean that I want men to whistle at me or that I am trying to find a man. There is a difference between looking presentable and attracting men. While I find one style presentable, another may find another style to be presentable. I’m not going to judge that girl. If she asks me for my advice I will tell her, but I’m not going to ASSUME anything. You know what assuming makes you, right?

 

[severus68]

]Women will say over and over that it is all the man’s fault for even thinking about sex when they see a women wearing scant clothing. Women do this to look attractive as dictated by the cultural standard. Women deny this.

I am sure most women dress for themselves. Dressing to look attractive is not a sin.

Homely women do dress to attract men but they look have a long way to go and probably will never get there.

What an insulting remark.

Preppy is not going to attract men either.

She never said she dressed to attract men.

It is the attractive girl/women who dresses to attract men, that men look at. I am not saying she only dresses to attract men, some dress to get attention from other women but it sure doesn’t help males.

So all attractive women should dress frumpily? Men who “can’t help themselves” should stay at home until they grow up, treat women as persons and learn self control.