Should Catholics vote for the BNP?

[DL82]

You need to realise that of all the senior members of the BNP, only one of them doesn’t have a criminal record for violent or racist offences, and that’s the leader of their youth wing. That’s because they had to draft in someone who was squeaky clean after the last youth leader was filmed giving Nazi salutes and saying he worshipped Hitler.

A BNP rally was the trigger event that caused the Bradford race riots in 2001. When a white teenager was murdered by a group of asians in Glasgow in 2006, the sick BNP showed up to exploit the situation, despite being told by the dead teenager’s parents to stay away.

In doing some more research on this, to try to convince MrSmith732 of the reality of their Fascist agenda, I also discovered some things that make my original argument completely pointless.

The BNP are in favour of compulsory sterilisations and abortions for disabled babies.

The BNP wish to encourage a revival of Britain’s folk traditions, including the teaching of our folk rituals and myths in schools, i.e. they want a revival of Celtic Paganism.

The BNP wish to ‘re-unify’ Britain and Ireland (in other words invade, conquer and subjugate Ireland yet again).

The BNP would outlaw inter-racial marriage.

The BNP favour a ‘radical reduction’ in the numbers of MP’s in parliament. They don’t make it clear whether this would be done by changing the electoral rules or just by locking up all the opposition MP’s.

Basically, yes, they are fascists.

Even if they’re better at hiding the more obvious brutality of their views now than they used to be, they are still the same old scum.

Which raises a more general point about politicians. It’s important not only to listen to what they say (any politician addressing a large group of Catholics will say they are pro-life) but to what their record is, and what they will likely do. Can all those people who voted for Bush for his pro-life stance point to a single abortion that’s been prevented by his administration?

 

[MrSmith732]

Perhaps you really, really want a good excuse for supporting them.

Perhaps. Or perhaps I’m missing out on the massive amount of proof against them. I’m coming to this from a surprisingly liberal background, raised by people who’d be more likely to vote Lib Dem than anything else. I’m not looking for reasons to support any particular party. If anything I’m looking for reasons not to. Easy to find reasons not to support Labour, and the Tories are pretty much Labour-lite these days. As to the Lib Dems… pffft!

So this is, I suppose, all in the spirit of honest enquiry.

 

[MrSmith732]

DL82, it’s good to see you. I’ve seen forums in the past where the OP would just vanish. Glad to see this isn’t the case here.

You need to realise that of all the senior members of the BNP, only one of them doesn’t have a criminal record for violent or racist offences, and that’s the leader of their youth wing. That’s because they had to draft in someone who was squeaky clean after the last youth leader was filmed giving Nazi salutes and saying he worshipped Hitler.

References, please.

A BNP rally was the trigger event that caused the Bradford race riots in 2001. When a white teenager was murdered by a group of asians in Glasgow in 2006, the sick BNP showed up to exploit the situation, despite being told by the dead teenager’s parents to stay away.

Is it possible you’re talking about Chris Donnell, the kid who was tortured to death? I wonder, would Amnesty stay away from an issue on, say, human rights if the family had wanted them to stay away?

In doing some more research on this, to try to convince MrSmith732 of the reality of their Fascist agenda, I also discovered some things that make my original argument completely pointless.

The BNP are in favour of compulsory sterilisations and abortions for disabled babies.

Reference, please. Your discoveries will be very important to my own research into this if you can substantiate them. Simply saying ‘X is in favour of Y’ proves nothing in itself.

The BNP wish to encourage a revival of Britain’s folk traditions, including the teaching of our folk rituals and myths in schools, i.e. they want a revival of Celtic Paganism.

I would love to see reference to this from a reliable source. Especially given the emphasis the BNP tend to put on a ‘Christian Britain’.

The BNP wish to ‘re-unify’ Britain and Ireland (in other words invade, conquer and subjugate Ireland yet again).

You have proof positive of their intent to invade? Where can I find this information, please?

The BNP would outlaw inter-racial marriage.

Really? Outlaw? I don’t remember seeing that in their manifesto. Where did I miss it?

The BNP favour a ‘radical reduction’ in the numbers of MP’s in parliament. They don’t make it clear whether this would be done by changing the electoral rules or just by locking up all the opposition MP’s.

Odd, I remember reading in their own manifesto that once in power they’re willing to change just about anything provided sufficient democratic petition is brought to bear. Where is this favouring of ‘radical reduction’ to be found, please?

Basically, yes, they are fascists.

Ah! I think perhaps you missed my request for a definition of that word that doesn’t involve its use purely as an expletive or perjorative.

Even if they’re better at hiding the more obvious brutality of their views now than they used to be, they are still the same old scum.

Scum? …I seem to remember something about… what was it now? Judge not lest ye be judged? Surely just because their views differ from your own they don’t deserve such harsh judgement?

Which raises a more general point about politicians. It’s important not only to listen to what they say (any politician addressing a large group of Catholics will say they are pro-life) but to what their record is, and what they will likely do. Can all those people who voted for Bush for his pro-life stance point to a single abortion that’s been prevented by his administration?

I wonder what American readers will make of that. For myself, I’ve said it before to the little bunny and I’ll say it to you, it’s rather important to look at what a person or group is/are now. We’d be in a pretty pickle if God chose to never forgive us, even after our repentance.

 

[MrSmith732]

I have things I need to go and do now, but I’ll check back here later today. I look forward to reading replies and seeing links to worthy sources backing up the highly emotive attacks on a legal political party.

 

[Kaninchen]

Perhaps. Or perhaps I’m missing out on the massive amount of proof against them. I’m coming to this from a surprisingly liberal background, raised by people who’d be more likely to vote Lib Dem than anything else. I’m not looking for reasons to support any particular party. If anything I’m looking for reasons not to. Easy to find reasons not to support Labour, and the Tories are pretty much Labour-lite these days. As to the Lib Dems… pffft!

So this is, I suppose, all in the spirit of honest enquiry.

Yesterday, I was busy clearing up after Passover so I can assure you that I wasn’t busy being born.

 

[dmelosi]

Which raises a more general point about politicians. It’s important not only to listen to what they say (any politician addressing a large group of Catholics will say they are pro-life) but to what their record is, and what they will likely do. Can all those people who voted for Bush for his pro-life stance point to a single abortion that’s been prevented by his administration?

The most important pro life thing that any president can do is to appoint pro life judges, wich Bush has.

The second most important thing he can do is to condemn abortion which Bush has.

 

[DL82]

Actually, the most important thing a president could do would be to pass a constitutional amendment enshrining the rights of the unborn. The second most important thing would be to legislate against abortion. Bush has done neither. He has tinkered around the edges, which may be better than nothing, but barely justifies voting for all the other harm that he’s caused IMHO.

The most important pro life thing that any president can do is to appoint pro life judges, wich Bush has.

The second most important thing he can do is to condemn abortion which Bush has.

 

[burnside]

If you type B.N.P.Crimes or B.N.P.Nazis into your search engine,
you will find plenty of material about the B.N.P.If you think those authors have too much of a Left-Wing bias,then you can always link on to Rupert Murdoch’s Newspaper List.The U.K.Sun or The
London Times are anything but Left-Wing.
The B.N.P.have been trying to change their image so as to be more electable.All politicians do the same thing.However,with the extreme left or right,if you are daft enough to vote for them,you then find you cannot vote them back out because they are not Democrats.

references please

Is it possible you’re talking about Chris Donnell, the kid who was tortured to death? I wonder, would Amnesty stay away from an issue on, say, human rights if the family had wanted them to stay away?

Reference, please. Your discoveries will be very important to my own research into this if you can substantiate them. Simply saying ‘X is in favour of Y’ proves nothing in itself.

I would love to see reference to this from a reliable source. Especially given the emphasis the BNP tend to put on a ‘Christian Britain’.

You have proof positive of their intent to invade? Where can I find this information, please?

Really? Outlaw? I don’t remember seeing that in their manifesto. Where did I miss it?

Odd, I remember reading in their own manifesto that once in power they’re willing to change just about anything provided sufficient democratic petition is brought to bear. Where is this favouring of ‘radical reduction’ to be found, please?

Ah! I think perhaps you missed my request for a definition of that word that doesn’t involve its use purely as an expletive or perjorative.

Scum? …I seem to remember something about… what was it now? Judge not lest ye be judged? Surely just because their views differ from your own they don’t deserve such harsh judgement?

I wonder what American readers will make of that. For myself, I’ve said it before to the little bunny and I’ll say it to you, it’s rather important to look at what a person or group is/are now. We’d be in a pretty pickle if God chose to never forgive us, even after our repentance.

 

[MrSmith732]

If you type B.N.P.Crimes or B.N.P.Nazis into your search engine,
you will find plenty of material about the B.N.P.If you think those authors have too much of a Left-Wing bias,then you can always link on to Rupert Murdoch’s Newspaper List.The U.K.Sun or The
London Times are anything but Left-Wing.
The B.N.P.have been trying to change their image so as to be more electable.All politicians do the same thing.However,with the extreme left or right,if you are daft enough to vote for them,you then find you cannot vote them back out because they are not Democrats.

So still no links or sources. A pity, I had been looking forward to an enlightenment moment.

 

[Ferdinand_Mary]

Thank you to all who participated. This thread is now closed.

Mane Nobiscum Domine,
Ferdinand Mary