Should children of Terrorists be allowed to live back in Australia/US etc

[Rozellelily]

the OP mentioned children/youngsters that were born in Australian.

It becomes tricky because the children were born in Australia, and went to Syria,and then became a teen and were married off and gave birth to their own child/ren in Syria itself.

 

[Rozellelily]

even if born abroad a citizen can apply for the nationality of their parents/grandparents

I think there are some hoops you have to jump through though.
For example,my parents were born overseas but I don’t automatically receive citizenship of their birth countries.
Even they no longer have citizenship because after they left,the country went into civil war and then became smaller individual countries and required people to reapply etc which they didn’t do.
So if I want citizenship there it is easier than for “non-ethnics” who apply but I am still required to answer questions including my “biography” and non criminal record,knowledge of the language,allegiance test etc…
So if an average person have to do all this,I can’t imagine how it be for someone suspected of terrorism?

 

[adgloriam]

So if I want citizenship there it is easier than for “non-ethnics”

as should be…our roots don’t just “go away” within one generation because of political change.

On a whole, the “statelessness” issue is closely related to “migrations” and “fundamental rights”. What bothers me, is the haste in “dehumanizing” that’s so common in media these days (and how the trend starting with media contaminates everyday persons lacking critical thinking).

If you heard the 3 minute piece @Emeraldlady linked -imho very good!- it described 62 WOMAN&CHILDREN in a refugee camp that have, IN FACT, nationality. It used to be said: “woman and children first”, seems in today’s world those basic notions are lost…

Soo…Some areas of the media want to “dehumanize” stateless refugees frivolously throwing around the label “terrorism” as a misnomer. Of those 62 human beings -at this point- I’m willing to bet not even 3 partake of “terrorist ideals”, or had any real material involvement in anything criminal. (Most accounts place woman and children locked in their homes, because it wasn’t safe to walk the streets.)

“Dehumanizing discourse”, CONTRAST → I’ll bet you that’s what caused the Christchurch shooting in NZ - and all modern shootings: “dehumanizing discourse” that becomes mentality. We’d hope Australia’s history of massacres would have taught folks to avoid “hate speech” in its “dehumanizing” form, to somehow quell “the State” from reasserting its authority through brutality in discourse - in this case pretending to deny nationality to its own citizens without due legal process, assuming them as guilty without proof.

Having quoted the “math” that creates and generates these “social (human) problems” I’ll just remind, by contrast, that no Chinese millionaire shall be deprived of Australian nationality just so long as they can afford the expenses.

And perhaps “deprogramming” should be called “re-humanizing”.

 

[OurLadyofSorrows]

here is Australia. A friend of mine just went through this. We are not automatically Australian citizens if we are born here.

example.

friend born here, parents born here. friend always lived here. At age 29 applied for passport for her wedding. She sent her birth certificate , ids etc to get the passport. she was required ( everyone is if over a certain age) to either get her mothers birth certificate, or apply for Australian citizenship to get the passport. Now how a mothers birthcertificate is proof a person is Australian escapes me.

She could not get hold of her mum to get a copy of the certificate. She had to apply for Australian citizenship , more paperwork, and money. Now a person born here, lived all their life here has a shiny Australian citizenship certificate and a passport.

This rule applies if you are born in Australia after August 1986

Australians born here do not automatically get citizenship, especially if a good part of their years pre 10yo were spent overseas

Australians born here and live here all their life , post August 1986 do not either