Should Christians embrace evolution ?

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soma said:
As individuals we are evolving human beings so Christians should embrace evolution. We can’t just be sinners for life.
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That really bothered me, too: being a sinner for life.
Then, I realized, I have freedom of choice as to what kind of sinner to be; I chose ‘repentant’ sinner. Hope that helps you.
 
MindOverMatter said:
He can choose between two possibilities.
  1. Somebody has two left feet, and is on the run from fascists who hate people with two left feet.
Or
  1. Somebody deceptively made it look as if somebody has two left feet.
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3 A one legged woman was hopping along the beach.

4 The tide has come in from the right and washed away half of the tracks.

5 All Hail mighty Loki!

6 You have been smoking too much wacky baccy.

7 You cannot tell left from right and they are actually a normal track with a large stride.

rossum
 
MindOverMatter said:
Why create the world in seven days?
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There’s a reason for that. I go along with the viewpoint that “A day is as a thousand years unto the Lord, and a thousand years is as a day to the Lord.”
You can also insert “two billion” for ‘a thousand’, and it works out :). It’s the same idea, allowing for paleontological and cosmological claims to the earth’s and sun’s and universe’s ages.
 
MindOverMatter said:
I think that one of the fundamental issues which i don’t think is really being addressed is the fact that some of the people on this thread have a distrust in the human ability to know Gods creation as it really is.

Am i correct in making this assumption?

I am right, your wrong. Get over it. 👍
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I can’t speak for everybody, but I’ll say this.

I think that one of the fundamental issues which is not really being addressed is that some people on this thread don’t understand the reason God gave us the ability to reason, and know his creation. We will never totally understand his creation, because we are not God. God’s purpose in giving us the capability to to sort-of make sense of creation is that we may see it’s beauty & majesty (in many forms, including math and science), and give glory to God. God did not give us this capability so that we can beat our chests and proclaim how great is the mind of man.

I am right, you are wrong. Get over it. 👍
 
MindOverMatter said:
He can choose between two possibilities.
  1. Somebody has two left feet, and is on the run from fascists who hate people with two left feet.
Or
  1. Somebody deceptively made it look as if somebody has two left feet.
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So you actually didn’t get the point of Buffalo’s post?
 
Hi, All -

Here’s an FYI about Kevroy’s that God created man “…from the slime…”. "I’ve gone through the six translations I have for the Holy Bible and also the English translation to the Jewish Publication Society’s Masoretic Text of their Holy Scriptures.

Reading chronologically from oldest to present:

Masoretic “…from the dust…”
DR “…from the slime…”
KJV “…from the dust…”
NRSV “…from the dust…”
REB “…from the dust…”
NAB “…from the clay…”
NJB “…from the soil…”

I hold the DR as the authoritive Catholic translation from the Vulgate and accept the NAB as the official Catholic Bible. However, I do go along with the “…dust…” consenus as it’s not only in the majority, but it also matches the Jewish translation of their Book of Genesis;.which translation, in my mind, should have some weight, since it would be an original preceding the DR.
Also, 🙂 since I have Jewish in-laws whom I love.
 
ricmat said:
I can’t speak for everybody, but I’ll say this.

I think that one of the fundamental issues which is not really being addressed is that some people on this thread don’t understand the reason God gave us the ability to reason, and know his creation. We will never totally understand his creation, because we are not God. God’s purpose in giving us the capability to to sort-of make sense of creation is that we may see it’s beauty & majesty (in many forms, including math and science), and give glory to God. God did not give us this capability so that we can beat our chests and proclaim how great is the mind of man.

I am right, you are wrong. Get over it. 👍
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👍
 
donsnow said:
Hi, All -

Here’s an FYI about Kevroy’s that God created man “…from the slime…”. "I’ve gone through the six translations I have for the Holy Bible and also the English translation to the Jewish Publication Society’s Masoretic Text of their Holy Scriptures.

Reading chronologically from oldest to present:

Masoretic “…from the dust…”
DR “…from the slime…”
KJV “…from the dust…”
NRSV “…from the dust…”
REB “…from the dust…”
NAB “…from the clay…”
NJB “…from the soil…”

I hold the DR as the authoritive Catholic translation from the Vulgate and accept the NAB as the official Catholic Bible. However, I do go along with the “…dust…” consenus as it’s not only in the majority, but it also matches the Jewish translation of their Book of Genesis;.which translation, in my mind, should have some weight, since it would be an original preceding the DR.
Also, 🙂 since I have Jewish in-laws whom I love.
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StAnastasia said:
Kevroy, my bible does not use the word “slime.” Rather, God tells the earth and the seas to bring forth appropriate creatures (Genesis 1:20, 24).
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Apparently, despite being a Catholic Theologian, Dr. StAnastasia does not have a DR bible.
 
ricmat said:
Apparently, despite being a Catholic Theologian, Dr. StAnastasia does not have a DR bible.
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When I was So. Baptist, I kept a KJV and a Protestant Parallel Bible. After I returned to the Catholic Church, I made sure to get my DR, and the Catholic Parallel Bible.

The Parallel Bible contains four different translations of each scripture. If there’s doubt in my mind about a scripture’s or passage’s or text’s meaning, by the time I read four translations of that passage, I’ve gleaned the gist of the meaning. 🙂

I’m so dense, I need all those translations.😊
 
donsnow said:
When I was So. Baptist, I kept a KJV and a Protestant Parallel Bible. After I returned to the Catholic Church, I made sure to get my DR, and the Catholic Parallel Bible.

The Parallel Bible contains four different translations of each scripture. If there’s doubt in my mind about a scripture’s or passage’s or text’s meaning, by the time I read four translations of that passage, I’ve gleaned the gist of the meaning. 🙂

I’m so dense, I need all those translations.😊
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I have a bunch of hard copy bibles too. But for parallel type readings, I use e-sword on my computer. It’s a free download, and I can see verses from the DR, NAB, KJV, ESV, ISV, NJB, NWT, and RSV all at the same time. It’s easier than having a bunch of bibles open on the desk at the same time 🙂
 
edwest2 said:
Gravity and photosynthesis have nothing to do with human origins.
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Well, human origins would have been a little tough without gravity. 😉 In any case, my point was simply that like gravitation and photosynthesis, evolution is merely one natural process among many. Singling it out for special (mis)treatment seems rather arbitrary.

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+
 
donsnow said:
I think comparing evolution to gravitation and photosynthesis is like comparing apple to an orange and the apple to itself.
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I must disagree. All three are material processes at work in the natural world.

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+
 
Cruciform said:
Well, human origins would have been a little tough without gravity. 😉 In any case, my point was simply that like gravitation and photosynthesis, evolution is merely one natural process among many. Singling it out for special (mis)treatment seems rather arbitrary.

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
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Arbitrary? Not at all. It has to do with man’s true identity and true origin. The purely mechanistic view is incomplete at best and partly against Church teaching.

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Arbitrary? Not at all. It has to do with man’s true identity and true origin. The purely mechanistic view is incomplete at best and partly against Church teaching.
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I agree that evolution has to do with man’s true physical identity and true bodily origin. I also agree that the scientific view of man is incomplete, and does not exhaust the entire definition of the human person.

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+
 
Cruciform said:
I agree that evolution has to do with man’s true physical identity and true bodily origin. I also agree that the scientific view of man is incomplete, and does not exhaust the entire definition of the human person.

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
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Adam and Eve were our first parents, not a group of hominids.

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Adam and Eve were our first parents, not a group of hominids.
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I agree that Adam and Eve were not hominids, but were endowed by God with a spiritual soul made in the image of God. It should be noted, however, that this is a theological conviction, and not a scientific conclusion. Neither does this negate evolution as a physical process in the natural world.

Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+
 
StAnastasia said:
No – I only have a 50 foot span.
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But you have so many colleagues, fellow professors, conference attendees and so forth. You mean they didn’t tell you the answer?

Perhaps science / scientists should be more humble about what they think they know.
 
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